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Venom Calculations

Discussion in 'Assassin' started by LordOfTheUndead, Mar 8, 2004.

  1. LordOfTheUndead

    LordOfTheUndead IncGamers Member

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    Venom Calculations

    I'm making a Martial Arts Assassin, and she's coming along pretty good, majoring in PS and Dragon Flight, along with certain Shadow (Burst and Claw Mastery). My question is, I have put like 4 points into venom, because its potential seems huge, but i use a claw with 3 P emeralds, and when i cast venom, it says damage actually decreases (from ~500 to ~300.) Does the skill just suck or are the poisons getting screwed up? (I eventually plan on using full nats and 1 bartucs.) Should i invest in this skill?
     
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    Maybe it is because Venoms damage is delivered over 0,4 seconds (10 frames) and the damage of the perfect emeralds is delivered over a longer period. The damage of the emeralds, which would have been 500 over (lets say for the skae of argument) 7 seconds is calculated in scale to damage delivered over 0,4 secs like venom (and the venom damage is added on top).

    So: Say before you were doing 500 damage over 7 seconds

    Now you are doing 300 damage over 0,4 seconds

    Actually a HUGE damage increase

    (this is why poison charms are not really THAT helpful on a venom assassin..unless you have loads)
     
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    actually if you use other poison sources you increase poison dmg lenght.

    on my venom WW assy i tried 2* 100 pdsc and the duration went from 0.4 seconds to about 3-4 seconds, a huge DECREASE in dmg.
     
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    Interesting, I was sure I read it in the way I discribed here on the forum :scratch:
     
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    Are you sure Venom was activated when the duration increased??
     
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    lol so what is the concensus? i dont want to waste points
     
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    if ur pvp max it, if ur not, preobably not i think
     
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    In PvM Venom is also a real good skill (of course if you're playing a trapsin ... :rolleyes: ).

    I've got source of psn on a charm (+12 Psn dmg charm over x seconds), and it SEEMS that Venom is still effective over 10 frames : i've just put enough IAS and BoS so that my sin would reach not top speed, but 11 fpa with DC, and I can see a 'blink' in the green color of the monsters, whereas with DC at top speed, i cannont see it. Still I believe it needs confirmation.
     
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    hmm so basically it sounds like blind trust? eventually i do plan on using a batrucs and a nats claw, so i wont have p emerald sockets, so venom could come in handy once i dump my charms. but poison is pretty inneffective in nm/hell. hmmmm so no one knows for sure... cause it does seem like i do less damage and the poison doesnt last as long when i activate venom. almost as if it overrides all otherpsn dmg.
     
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    sorry for the late rply ive been busy.

    my ssin has maxed venom and does about 550 poison dmg, but then i tried putting on 4* +100 poison charms over 6 seconds, the dmg raised from 550 - roughly 700 and the duration definatly increased to at least 2-3 seconds.

    my advise would be not to use other poison sources if u use venom, also for all the people who use poison facets you might wanna check your venom duration because using those facets might have just lowered your dmg significantly
     
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    In PvP atleast, Psn facets make Venom much, much, deadlier. I have around 1k venom dmg, and when I clear monsters for a duel, it takes multiple hits repeatedly to kill monsters. Pretty quick though with Talon. This is in Hell btw. Haven't tested it without venom so we'll see.
     
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    In PvP atleast, Psn facets make Venom much, much, deadlier. I have around 1k venom dmg, and when I clear monsters for a duel, it takes multiple hits repeatedly to kill monsters. Pretty quick though with Talon. This is in Hell btw. Haven't tested it without venom so we'll see.
     
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    yes 1k poison dmg but have you checked how long the duration is? the duration from the facetrs themselves are 2 seconds so check the duration, if its anymore then 0.4seconds then facets are worthless.
     

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