Vegetarianism

[krischan]

Re: Vegetarianism

I believe that the highest level of vegan is that you don't eat anything that involves killing the whole plant. Like potatoes and carrots.

There are actually vegans who don't even hurt plants, i.e. they only eat an apple after it has fallen from the tree on its own.

I'm a level 1 veggie. I don't eat animals while they are alive.

 

[Johnny]

Re: Vegetarianism

There are actually vegans who don't even hurt plants, i.e. they only eat an apple after it has fallen from the tree on its own.

I'm a level 1 veggie. I don't eat animals while they are alive.

So explain the diet there. What do they live on?

 

[krischan]

Re: Vegetarianism

I don't know, but they will probably have to grow their own food. I doubt they will buy apples in a supermarket if there is a sign "fallen from the trees on their own".

 

[Johnny]

Re: Vegetarianism

No I mean what fruits and vegetables can you live on that falls on its own like that?

 

[krischan]

Re: Vegetarianism

I guess it's possible, but it's probably a bit hard, as you cannot eat half of the vegetables. Maybe they can dig out potatoes after the weeds have died (they usually aren't harvested earlier anyway) and fruits are meant to be eaten by animals anyway. The seeds are transported by them and probably have a pretty good start among the excrements after they left the body.

Vegans have a problem with getting one of the vitamins, either B6 or B12, I'm not sure. Plants don't have it and the human body cannot produce it. You need just very small amounts, but you have to eat small amounts of food made of animals.

Vegetarians are usually in a better shape, but not because they avoid meat, but because they generally take more care of their nourishment. You are probably better off if you take as much care and eat a bit of meat as well.

 

[Johnny]

Re: Vegetarianism

Apparently they can get the vitamin B12 by either eating their own feces or take vitamin supplements that get vitamin B12 from animal sources.

 

[krischan]

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Vegans are often mentioning gorillas as an example for primates which are living from a 100% vegan diet, but it's just as you said, gorillas sometimes eat excrements in which there are traces of animal organisms, like bacteria or perhaps excrements from predators (I'm not sure about that, any biologists in here ?), which is enough to cover their needs of B12.

 

[stillman]

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Sorry vegans (who likely aren't reading this anyway; it's a fansite for a violent animal killer game), but you are all killing masses of microbes right now and there is nothing you can do to stop it. Stuff is landing and living on you and you are killing it off in an endless slaughter. We are all killing machines! RAAAAAARRRRGGGHHH! More Blood! More!!!!

(I'm just saying, little microbes, some of them, have little appendages like arms and legs similar to animals)

 

[AeroJonesy]

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Isn't a gorilla's dinner, by definition, produced by gorillas, and therefore out of the scope of what vegans can eat?

 

[Johnny]

Re: Vegetarianism

The bacteria in the digestive system contains B12 so when gorillas eat plant remains out of their own **** they also get their B12.

 

[llad12]

Re: Vegetarianism

Vegetables? Sounds like we need a little Zappa:

 

[buttershug]

Re: Vegetarianism

I'm a level 1 veggie. I don't eat animals while they are alive.

I'm a second order vegetarian. I don't eat anything that eats meat.

 

[Tanooki]

Re: Vegetarianism

Hmm.. what about ham?

*edit*
Or do you mean animals that eat primarily other animals? Like canines and felines?

 

[lAmebAdger]

Re: Vegetarianism

how about this: pigs (Ham) aren't eaten by strict muslims, because of their supposed impurities... but vegetarian cows and goats and the like are allowed

 

[Johnny]

Re: Vegetarianism

how about this: pigs aren't eaten by strict muslims, because of their supposed impurities... but vegetarian cows and goats and the like are allowed

That's because pigs eat dead remains. Like if a dead bird drops into the pen they will eat it. This means that their meat contains a substance that is danger when eaten by humans. However if you cook the meat all the way through at 75 degrees celc then it's safe to eat. Back when these religions where founded, proper cooking and storing was not common but you can get away with not cooking beef properly. Heck you can eat beef raw even today. But not pork. So the leaders said that god said "don't eat pork" so people would stop dropping dead from it. But today we do have proper cooking and storing of the meat so this reasoning is no longer needed but once god had said it it's pretty hard to have it unsaid.

 

[lAmebAdger]

Re: Vegetarianism

well, some people have that priviledge of course... especially in industrialized countries

also, the risk is reduced, but not eliminated, i think... for example, a while back there was a, somewhat irrational maybe, panic about goat(sheep?) fed to cows as pulver and some harmless goat(/sheep?) disease (scrapie) as a result transforming into bovine spongiformi encephalitis (BSE), which then transforms into Kreuzfeld-Jakob disease when eaten by humans (especially raw)...

 

[Johnny]

Re: Vegetarianism

well, some people have that priviledge of course... especially in industrialized countries

also, the risk is reduced, but not eliminated, i think... for example, a while back there was a, somewhat irrational maybe, panic about goat(sheep?) fed to cows as pulver and some harmless goat(/sheep?) disease (scrapie) as a result transforming into bovine spongiformi encephalitis (BSE), which then transforms into Kreuzfeld-Jakob disease when eaten by humans (especially raw)...

Mad cow disease is not the same. The substance in pork is alive and is killed when cooking. The one found in the "mad cows" can't be stopped by cooking because it's not a living disease or bacteria that causes it. It's caused by a dead material and trying to cook it away is like trying to cook a lead poisoned animal until it becomes edible.

 

[Spinns]

Re: Vegetarianism

It must be really hard to be a healthy vegan since they can't eat any animal products this even includes protein pills with animal extracts

Man I feel like a steak

Funny story and a bit off topic
My friend when he was younger grew up on a farm and whenever he really misbehaved he got locked in the chicken pen. He made a deal with the chickens if they didn't hurt him he would not eat them so now he doesn't eat chicken at all.

 

[Johnny]

Re: Vegetarianism

Funny story and a bit off topic
My friend when he was younger grew up on a farm and whenever he really misbehaved he got locked in the chicken pen. He made a deal with the chickens if they didn't hurt him he would not eat them so now he doesn't eat chicken at all.

Social services anyone?

 

[stillman]

Re: Vegetarianism

The Mad Cow problem IIRC is prions which are fragments of protein. When they just so happen to bump into one of your proteins, they bind and convert your protein to the prion confomration. Then they dissociate and we have 2 prions where there was just one a moment before. This escalates for a while until your brain is jumbled with all these prions.