Your just talking about one type of duel which isn't the over all picture. Redeemer is nice but I don't see that setup viable vs everybody.Pravda said:I use a 15ias/26lr SS, lo'd shako, tgods, and redeemer. If anyone has dueled Bushball's V/T (T/V whatever), you know he's doing like 5.5k foh and has around 2900life. He also uses redeemer for smite which means he does more damage than silence+up'd HoZ. I had no chance before I began using the SS setup. Against these kinds of V/Ts, 85%lr isn't enough, so you can't really go with CoA+HoZ. CoA+Gris is an option, but you will have less life. SS is the best option imo.
trapsins using widowmaker on switch. Chain lighting sorc with cheezy act 1 wf merc.Pravda said:Well, when do you need tgods+50%pdr? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't think of any other match up than against a V/T. Of course I don't use it against other opponents. Most of the time, I don't even bother to have tgods on in v/t vs v/t.
I see my setup viable against them too. Maybe I would use fury zerk for ow. As for sorc with merc, I would definitely overabsorb...HandofElysium said:trapsins using widowmaker on switch. Chain lighting sorc with cheezy act 1 wf merc.
Yeah I agree on this one I think deemer is a bit overrated.FoodPoisoning said:hah I'm sorry but the redeemer blows chunks, just like heavens light.
I have dueled several people who use those weapons, and I hit them at least 2 times for each time they hit me. 1 range = nt
I doubt that if that lighting sorc and do max 30k lighting dmg. Avg 15kIhatePALADINS said:I think Pravda is still right. You only going to use that setup vs what? 3 builds? You get more life by switch to shako and dont have to pump str for CoA. The SS/Deemer would still be quite viable for those matchups u listed.
rhetorical questionPravda said:so coa would be better against a sorc? 85%lr against 90-95%...
Like I mentioned before act 1 wf merc. you get more Light resist than Hoz because of what you socket.Pravda said:I wouldn't use SS against a sorc unless the sorc had a high damaging merc. I get more light res with SS than HoZ btw.
Storm is a good solution for V/T going against a T/V where you need max light resist and dr to compete. I was trying to throw out a idea for dicussion and to see what you all think. Overall bottom line for non-zealot type dueler Shako pretty much dominates a Crown of Ages in all aspects. I still think redeemer is overrated because everyone praises the add damage mod because of the ignore pvp penalty and etc etc. I personally used it when Rag brought it to the fourms attention and I personally don't like it.Pravda said:Something that is overrated is up'd HoZ. It's the best overall shield, but not against templar-oriented v/ts. With SS and tgods, you lose 120 life, with CoA and tgods you lose more than that. With SS you can have 95% lr, but with CoA you can only have 85% unless you use gris which results in less life (higher block and no vita mod). 85% lr isn't enough against a V/T with 5.5k foh. Each blast will take almost 100life. With SS you have about the same smite damage as a V/T with 2-4 points in smite and up'd HoZ, but you'll have 90-95% light res, while your opponent only has 75%. If you opponent chooses to use tgods, he has to make up for the dr somewhere resulting in less life. I don't use SS normally, but it's a good option. Why would anyone use one setup against all? Why limit yourself. Try SS for yourselves before you totally write it off as a nonviable smite shield.
I would have no problems overabsorbing a sorc who uses a merc. A couple of blasts with FoH should take care of a merc.HandofElysium said:Like I mentioned before act 1 wf merc. you get more Light resist than Hoz because of what you socket.
Only reason I use redeemer against Bushball's pally is because he uses it himself, he has more life (2900 vs 2700), and I have shitty connection so I can't really use my switch or take advantage of range very well. I think redeemer is an alright weapon. I wasn't very fond of it in the beginning, and charge sucks with it, but it's okay. I would rather use another weapon, but my smite damage is pretty low with SS to begin with. Hence, redeemer...HandofElysium said:Storm is a good solution for V/T going against a T/V where you need max light resist and dr to compete. I was trying to throw out a idea for dicussion and to see what you all think. Overall bottom line for non-zealot type dueler Shako pretty much dominates a Crown of Ages in all aspects. I still think redeemer is overrated because everyone praises the add damage mod because of the ignore pvp penalty and etc etc. I personally used it when Rag brought it to the fourms attention and I personally don't like it.
Is your foh damage close enough to compete with his foh cause your foh should have enough damage chip away at his life. Thats unless he is 1.09 V/T like mine that has pitiful foh dmg. LOLPravda said:I would have no problems overabsorbing a sorc who uses a merc. A couple of blasts with FoH should take care of a merc.
Only reason I use redeemer against Bushball's pally is because he uses it himself, he has more life (2900 vs 2700), and I have shitty connection so I can't really use my switch or take advantage of range very well. I think redeemer is an alright weapon. I wasn't very fond of it in the beginning, and charge sucks with it, but it's okay. I would rather use another weapon, but my smite damage is pretty low with SS to begin with. Hence, redeemer...
I think I do more foh dam since he's not using tgods.HandofElysium said:Is your foh damage close enough to compete with his foh cause your foh should have enough damage chip away at his life. Thats unless he is 1.09 V/T like mine that has pitiful foh dmg. LOL