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V/T emphasising FoH questions

Discussion in 'PvP' started by Gashad, May 18, 2008.

  1. Gashad

    Gashad IncGamers Member

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    V/T emphasising FoH questions

    Hi, the more I read about the FoHer the more intriqued I get about it, I am envisaging a build something like this

    Firstly I would like to ask about general impressions on the VT/FoH in public duels, is it any good?

    More importantly is it good for a newb dueller who is very unexperienced in pvp?

    My skill selection will be something like this:
    max HS
    max FoH
    Max Holy shock
    enough points in Conviction for 25 aura
    Now for the best smite should smite or fanaticism aura be prioritized with the remaining points?

    Also I have a few questions of gear. I envisage gear something like this(I couldn't really see the logic in some of the guides decisions so i changed them):

    FoH stick
    Zaka
    Griffon
    Eni
    Arach
    Tran gouls
    10 fcr ring with resistance
    ravenfrost
    Maras
    Boots probably treks(or perhaps goreriders for OW and CB, which is the best?)
    Grief PB and Zaka on switch
    In Inv 8 combat skillers, life scs, torch and anni (both 20 res), a horadric cube with CTA

    Unless I miss count this will give me 75fcr for the tele break point,

    On the resistance side assuming 28 from mara and 11 from ring would be around 60 , which is not too good. This brings me to my question, what should I socket my items with?

    If I um the zaka I will get max resistances, scs can be used to stack slightly, however if I facet it I will gain more damage, so which is the best?

    Also should I ber the griffin to get some %dr, or go for facet(i.e is dr necessary)?

    And of course the general question, would this item build work?

    The zaka on switch is it worth upping it, also should it be umed or bered(or something elsed?)

    Thanks for reading and thanks for the help
     
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    Re: V/T emphasising FoH questions

    i know someone else willl give better answer but sinceI was asking similar questions before..

    1) as for gear, have two set ups. one for caster, other for melee duels. melee duels can include exile which is good, but if you consider life tab BM, then zaka is a good way to go. using ber shako + dungoes + ber zaka or similar to get DR.

    2) you want to namelock tele or something similar. high FCR won't be needed. i think it was 48 FCR for next frame FCR, unless you want to use spirit shield for 75 FCR. imo, its better shield since it gives res, skills, fcr, fhr, and all skills too, where as zaka wouldn't, but need less pts in dex for block. then again, you will use spirit vs non-block duels anyway

    3) res charsm all the way, with life preferan;u but these can be costly

    4) imo, griffon isn't needed. its not as good as othe benefits from shako/coa. but if you want really strong FoH..

    5) usually people go 20 FoH, 20 Hshock, 1in conv, 20 fana, rest in HS or smite as needed. when they negate convby stacking, they negate it cmpletely (unless they don't like to think ) sp 1pt is enough, you have plenty +skills o make it good enough anyway.

    6) grief! (u can have FoH stick with jewels or make a cta. FoH stick means pre buff...sucky)

    7) boots = tri res imo. you will need res from somewhere. apart from that gore ftw.

    8)zaka is always worth upping. um or ber as needed. in fact, have two of them for each situation. as mentioned look into spirit as an alternative too (elite base)
     
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    Re: V/T emphasising FoH questions

    Ok but what are the benefits of shako over griffon exactly?, I would calculate that griffin gives me far more fcr and dmg(while shakos benefits seem to be 10% dr and non BO life).

    I can see how CoA can be good, indeed I will probably go for it as it seems to cover all my chars weaknesses(resists, FHR and dr), even though the loss of damage will be regrettable

    Also with the + resist from a Coronna I will be able to ber my zaka whitch will give me a net of of around 46%dr

    I will have a CTA in a cube in inventory so i will be able to BO without returning

    Would also like to hear some general impressions of the VT, i.e how good is it for a beginner?

    Also I would prefer to have one set of gear(switching gear and specialising against an enemy seems kind of cheap, besides in Pubbies you might not have the time), might add additional gear later though

    On the skill build side I decided to have 25 conviction as I calculated that with its -150+ ~45 from FoH stick and Griffon, I would get around -200, which is generally what non stacked resisters will have. So I would argue that all points in conviction up until 25 will benefit my damage. Also I only plan to use smite against high resist stackers, while I plan for FoH to be my main damage dealer

    A new question, if I go for CoA will my damage be gimped to a too large extent, or will I still be able to kill high life non stacked resistances (barbarians) with it?
     
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    Re: V/T emphasising FoH questions

    I duel with a v/t and find it quite an enjoyable experience. I don't have Enigma so i use a Shaftstop instead. Usually the lack of tele won't make much of a difference. I like to charge non-block characters and even fragile ones with block. Sorcs are usually a pushover but the ones that really know how far away to tele to combat your desynch are quite hard for me since I lack tele. I bring in my sorc for those.

    Also chars that use minion stack are pretty much next to impossible to kill unless you are lucky enough to get a lock on the character itself quickly. So chances of winning versus Wind druid, BM bone nec etc are quite slim.

    Since I use a Grief pb I got myself owned by a WW barb, that was before I had foh stick though. He was quite good with his clipping, if I went toe to toe with him on smite instead of running around FoHing I ended up losing to a Death Cleaver :embarrassed:. I changed to a more FoH strategy and starting winning, then he switched to GriefBA and I got owned lol. I just made a Foh stick so I expect to do a lot better against him now, since before my FoH was too weak against high life opponents.
     
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    Re: V/T emphasising FoH questions

    shako's benefit would be up to 18% DR, +2 all skils (bo), increase life/mana and its cheap :)
    its not the best choice of helm, but quite a decent one too. Since FoH don't need FCR (just your tele) its better than Griff imo as it will provide more survibility, and the fact griff does nothing against opponents who know how to stack. :rolleyes:
    you can always sock it with other things, like FHR jewel with stats/res etc too, making it poorman's CoA. that said CoA do have high req, but this is not a problem most of times when u use HoZ

    as for impression, I found it hard :grin: to play. i just happen to choose it as i didn't really have a PvP pally at the time. (bvc, boner, sorcs but no pally cuz we know 99% of b.net population is pally) so it was difficult to get used to. but it was definitely fun to have a char that is all around and smooth. i need to remake mine tho ^^

    Ps if you are using FoH stick, thought about going for full FoH and using 4 sox ST with jewels? (prefferably deflecting mod but i haven't seen those for a while. not even on a SS) ofc when u do this and wearing a coa, chances are u won't have enough str to 'wear' it unless -req jewel was put into it..
     
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    Re: V/T emphasising FoH questions

    Never considered a 20/-20 shield, the reason is that I want this character to be all around and not a glass cannon, a 20-20 shield would mean big problems with life as I would lose not only the 40 lovely stat points of zaka, but also the extra dex points for max block(I have a feeling a JSTOD with nice resists price would be far beyond the point of unconformable :)), besides with 2+ combat skills and 2+ Normal skills i think Zaka gives a pretty nice damage boost as well.
     
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    Re: V/T emphasising FoH questions

    Not to mention no matter how hard you try and lower enemy resists, FoH can always be stacked to nothing. The most you could get would be Griff (-25), FoH stick (-20), jmod armor (-20), shield (-20) and conviction (-150). Factor in hell difficulty (-100) and you're looking at a total of -335 resists, plus resists to get to max.

    Kiras (100), 4topaz shield (160 + another 45 if you are pally), Mara's (30), Torch + anni (40) is 330 resists, not counting the resists from pally shield. Factor in a Fade prebuff, CoH or both and stick Tgods, a wisp or two and any res all sc's you might happen to have. You can even leave/rejoin to get the extra 30 resists from Anya's.

    Obviously this is a really intense stack, I'm just saying that it can be done. You'll obviously get screwed by the other players in the game which is one of those annoying things about foh, but there's no way that a pure foher can escape absorb.
     
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    Re: V/T emphasising FoH questions

    if anyone stacks that much just slaughter them with smite

    also what is foh stick is it a septer with + to foh?
     
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    Re: V/T emphasising FoH questions

    It's a five socket scepter with ideally +3 FOH, +3 conviction and (pretty much impossible) +3 holy shield, socketed with lightning facets. Even +3foh and conviction would be quite godly and I would definitely stick jewels into such a scepter even if it only has four sockets.

    Also I was quoting mystified when he suggested going pure foh, not a v/t. And the stacker would also have his weapon slot free, so he can stick in a Grief and still win in smite anyway.
     

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