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Uppgraded ribcracker

Discussion in 'Theorycrafting and Statistics' started by hawke_67, Apr 18, 2005.

  1. hawke_67

    hawke_67 IncGamers Member

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    Uppgraded ribcracker

    Hi all.

    Just need an awnser to a quick question. What's the level req for an uppgraded ribcracker?
     
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    helvete IncGamers Member

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    That would be 65. ATMA seems to not add the +7 to clvl req in the clvl req display, I'm afraid. With some luck, there's already a newer version of atma somewhere... *finding google*
     
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    sonikki_ IncGamers Member

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    wrong.. its 56 u can check it from arreat summit -> items -> elite items -> shillelagh..
     
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    TopHatCat64 IncGamers Member

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    I'm not sure what version of ATMA you're using but it IS lvl 56. I should know, I actually upgraded it.
     
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    bast0s IncGamers Member

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    Ribcracker is a Quarter Staff. It becomes a Stalagmite when upgraded.
    According to Arrea Summit :
    Level 23 required for a quarter staff
    Level 31 required for a Ribcracker (23 + 7)
    Level 49 required for a stalagmite
    Level 56 required for an up'ed Ribcracker (49 + 7)
     
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    RTB IncGamers Member

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    Uniques have their own fixed Clvl requirements. Upgrading merely changes the current Clvl requirement by adding a bit to the highest one currently on the weapon/armor. Which is why Eth Zod'ed Upped Ribcrackers have a Clvl requirement of 78 (69 + 7).
     
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    hawke_67 IncGamers Member

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    Ok

    Thx for the quick reply, that was the info I needed. Thx all. :thumbsup:
     
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    helvete IncGamers Member

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    :eek: Ooooops... perhaps the 40% ED jewel in mine has something to do with this...
     
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    thegiantturtle IncGamers Member

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    is it +7 or +9?
     
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    RTB IncGamers Member

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    Excep > Elite : +7
     
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    Thrugg IncGamers Member

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    helvete, that is right, your Ruby jewel has a rlvl of 58, and the +7 is added after that. This can take people by surprise a bit, it is the only situation you can add something with rlvl X to something with rlvl Y and end up with rlvl higher than both X and Y.

    Basically for upgrading (exc->elite) you accrue a +7 penalty. But that is the last thing that is applied. Normally an rlvl is the max of the base item rlvl, the rlvl of the mods on it, and the rlvl of anything socketed in it. And max is transitive (ie max(A,B,C) = max(max(A,B),C)). So when you socket something in an item, the new rlvl is max(rlvl of item, rlvl of socketed).
    However, with upgrades you go from max(item, mods)+7 to max(item, mods, socket)+7.... which is not the same as max(max(item, mods)+7, socket) - because addition does not commute with the maximum operator, for those who are mathematically inclined.

    So, to explain it all as a concrete example:

    rlvl of Quarterstaff = 23
    rlvl of Stalagmite = 49
    rlvl of "Ribcracker mods" = 31
    rlvl of Ruby jewel = 58
    rlvl of Zod rune = 69

    rlvl of Ribcracker = max(23, 31) = 31
    rlvl of Ribcracker w/Ruby jewel = max(23, 31, 58) = 58
    rlvl of eth Ribcracker w/Zod = max(23, 31, 69) = 69
    rlvl of upped Ribcracker = max(49, 31) + 7 = 56
    rlvl of upped Ribcracker w/Ruby jewel = max(49, 31, 58) + 7 = 65
    rlvl of upped eth Ribcracker w/Zod = max(49, 31, 69) + 7 = 76
     
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    Cattleya IncGamers Member

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    So, if I understand this correctly...

    If I upgrade a ribcracker, I will get a rlvl of 56. Then, if I add a Zod rune (giggle, as if) instead of getting a rlvl of 69, I will get a rlvl of 76. In other words, the order in which you perform the steps (upgrading and adding the socketed item) is irrelevant.

    Right?
     
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    That is correct.
     

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