Update - The Fallen !
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Anyway-
Am I the only one who doesn't like the screeshots?
I mean, considering those guys will come in huge numbers like in D2, they look too big (size-wise) to be in large quantities.
Not to mention completly out of place in the 2 left screenshots with their too red color. The right one, however, looks amazing (with the Barb).
IMO, the should have kept the Fallen Ones family tree with the D2 Imps+Shamans+ (maybe the Overseer as a nice add) and make the others just a whole new monster type. The lunatic is just plain ugly and the Hound doesn't fit nor looks good- Can't they make him a normal Hound like from LOTR 2Towers (movie)? Why does it have to be red? Or so small?
Wait- You're right! A bit of excitement seeing the Male Wizard for the first time maybe?
Anyway-
Am I the only one who doesn't like the screeshots?
I mean, considering those guys will come in huge numbers like in D2, they look too big (size-wise) to be in large quantities.
Not to mention completly out of place in the 2 left screenshots with their too red color. The right one, however, looks amazing (with the Barb).
IMO, the should have kept the Fallen Ones family tree with the D2 Imps+Shamans+ (maybe the Overseer as a nice add) and make the others just a whole new monster type. The lunatic is just plain ugly and the Hound doesn't fit nor looks good- Can't they make him a normal Hound like from LOTR 2Towers (movie)? Why does it have to be red? Or so small?
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Anyway, discuss it 
Knight_Wolf
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One Fallen type from D1 i want to see is the "Hidden one" it will be really cool to have them back ... specially in dark dungeons. :scratchchin:
Not at all .. he has been around in videos since Blizzcon08 .. check the mini spell videos on D3 official Wizard page .. two of them show him in action.
They still come in large numbers ... the misty barb screenshot has more than 26 imps and few overseers attacking the Barb .. that's a lot of monsters on one screen.LaZeR said:
LaZer .. Go back to look at D1 and D2 fallen to refresh your memory .. they were vibrant radioactive red, blue and green .. they look far better in D3.LaZeR said:
Red to fit with the other fallen .. and small because it's just their pet and shouldn't stand out too much from the other fallen who are the main enemy, that's what i think.LaZer said:
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One Fallen type from D1 i want to see is the "Hidden one" it will be really cool to have them back ... specially in dark dungeons. :scratchchin:
In the name of Zod
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One hell of an ugly monotone map. Hope that improves :tombstone: What's wrong with these guys?
One hell of an ugly monotone map. Hope that improves :tombstone: What's wrong with these guys?
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Something doesn't look right about the first and second screens, like the Fallen are copy-pasted on top of the screenshot with Photoshop. They look very flat and disconnected, and I think it's because none of the colors in the environment are being reflected in their skin. On the other hand, they look GREAT in the third shot, so maybe this is just a lighting issue? The Fallen Ones in the first two shots look almost entirely self-illuminated. Maybe all they're missing is some more texture work and proper shadowing..
Also, I'm not really a fan, conceptually, of the Hounds. Besides Blizzard telling me so, I don't really see anything that makes them look remotely like a species of Fallen. What if they re-imagined the Hound as a type of domesticated Hyena that the Fallen use? I think the contrast of a red Fallen riding a mangy, striped Hyena is much more visually interesting than a Fallen riding a Fallen. (ahem.. even if they do breed a lot..) However, maybe that's a little too LOTR Warg-inspired?
I dunno. The screenshots are early development, so I'm sure we'll see a lot change between now and release. The Barbarian's helmet looks pretty sweet!
Something doesn't look right about the first and second screens, like the Fallen are copy-pasted on top of the screenshot with Photoshop. They look very flat and disconnected, and I think it's because none of the colors in the environment are being reflected in their skin. On the other hand, they look GREAT in the third shot, so maybe this is just a lighting issue? The Fallen Ones in the first two shots look almost entirely self-illuminated. Maybe all they're missing is some more texture work and proper shadowing..
Also, I'm not really a fan, conceptually, of the Hounds. Besides Blizzard telling me so, I don't really see anything that makes them look remotely like a species of Fallen. What if they re-imagined the Hound as a type of domesticated Hyena that the Fallen use? I think the contrast of a red Fallen riding a mangy, striped Hyena is much more visually interesting than a Fallen riding a Fallen. (ahem.. even if they do breed a lot..) However, maybe that's a little too LOTR Warg-inspired?
I dunno. The screenshots are early development, so I'm sure we'll see a lot change between now and release. The Barbarian's helmet looks pretty sweet!
knightmawko
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Really? This made me all teary eyed, the Fallen are a Diablo staple and I am glad to see that they will not be removed from D3. So far this is my favorite update
Really? This made me all teary eyed, the Fallen are a Diablo staple and I am glad to see that they will not be removed from D3. So far this is my favorite update
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Wow, +1.
This is excatly that I've tried to say.
And Knight_Wolf-
Read the above post. It's not the color of them as much as it just doesn't fit the enviorment. And anyway, just cause D2 had flashy neon color Fallen doesn't mean we need to make that mistake again.
Wow, +1.
This is excatly that I've tried to say.
And Knight_Wolf-
Read the above post. It's not the color of them as much as it just doesn't fit the enviorment. And anyway, just cause D2 had flashy neon color Fallen doesn't mean we need to make that mistake again.
Knight_Wolf
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Not to mention that they aren't really neon colored in D3 as they were in D2 at all ... if you go back and play D1 and D2 you will see the difference.
I did read it .. and noticed something.
That's pretty much the case ... the game is still in early alpha .. so expect many models to be place holders or temp ..such complaints will only be meaningful when we reach Beta.
Not to mention that they aren't really neon colored in D3 as they were in D2 at all ... if you go back and play D1 and D2 you will see the difference.
Bad Ash
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I wasn't a fan of this update at first, but after re-looking at their page, checking this thread, reading the lore again, its awesome. This game is just going to rule. Look at that Barb screenshot! so many fallen!
Also, what sounds awesome is the part in the lore where they talk about how the used to be much much larger, I suspect we will see them return to regular size at some point in the game maybe if Azmoden is pleased with them? That overseer dude could be ridiculously big
I wasn't a fan of this update at first, but after re-looking at their page, checking this thread, reading the lore again, its awesome. This game is just going to rule. Look at that Barb screenshot! so many fallen!
Also, what sounds awesome is the part in the lore where they talk about how the used to be much much larger, I suspect we will see them return to regular size at some point in the game maybe if Azmoden is pleased with them? That overseer dude could be ridiculously big
Sepharia
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I was really excited when I loaded up the D3 site and saw that a Fallen bestiary page had been posted. And my excitement wasn't wasted, 'cause I thought it was a really awesome update. The new types of 'em will make fighting them even more fun.
For whatever reason, the Lunatics absolutely crack me up. I LOL every time I see the concept art. I would hug one of the little guys, if I wasn't afraid he'd blow up on me.
The artwork of the big group/army of Fallens is now my desktop. :thumbup:
I was really excited when I loaded up the D3 site and saw that a Fallen bestiary page had been posted. And my excitement wasn't wasted, 'cause I thought it was a really awesome update. The new types of 'em will make fighting them even more fun.
For whatever reason, the Lunatics absolutely crack me up. I LOL every time I see the concept art. I would hug one of the little guys, if I wasn't afraid he'd blow up on me.
The artwork of the big group/army of Fallens is now my desktop. :thumbup:
raveharu
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For all you whiners,
For all you whiners,
So yeah, you can see that clipping issue pretty well on the model close up. The shaman was given a dagger fairly recently. From my old avatar you can see the previous model (sans dagger). The dagger was added, along with some slight model tweaks and re-texturing, to give the shaman a bit more of an edge (pah dum chhhh!). Toughen him up a little. The clipping, obviously something we try to avoid at all times when animating and building the item sets and models, in this case is practically unnoticeable at game-cam distance."
We're not building models, textures, and environments for these types of close up shots. In these updates we grit our teeth and bear it, because it's cool for you guys to be able to see this stuff.
In closing, I'm more than willing to provide reasoning and discuss observations, just don't be a jerk about it.
We're not building models, textures, and environments for these types of close up shots. In these updates we grit our teeth and bear it, because it's cool for you guys to be able to see this stuff.
In closing, I'm more than willing to provide reasoning and discuss observations, just don't be a jerk about it.
Mackan
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You mean in the small video clip? It's been heard in the background for quite some time when you visit Caldeum on the Diablo 3 website. Awesome music, very atmospheric.
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I think that the best thing about the fallen will be their AI. In D2, there was a moment were you know exactly what to do with every fallen camp (killing a couple of imps - going to the shamans - etc), but now the strategy will probably depend on how many overseers and hounds are around, making us think a little bit before going on them burocraticly
I think that the best thing about the fallen will be their AI. In D2, there was a moment were you know exactly what to do with every fallen camp (killing a couple of imps - going to the shamans - etc), but now the strategy will probably depend on how many overseers and hounds are around, making us think a little bit before going on them burocraticly
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Anyway, it's moot. I think it is clear they'll be cleaning up these models as development moves forward, so until then, the best we can do is offer up our suggestions on what we do or don't like. It can be helpful to criticize.
I don't see much whining in this thread, nor do I see how that quote has anything to do with what we've observed or criticized so far.
Anyway, it's moot. I think it is clear they'll be cleaning up these models as development moves forward, so until then, the best we can do is offer up our suggestions on what we do or don't like. It can be helpful to criticize.
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Yes, I totally agree! I think a lot of us will be thrown off by the AI and strategy that will be involved in DIII. The combination of Health Orbs, new monster abilities, destructible environments, and 'smart' enemies is really going to make this a fun game to play. Diablo II was fun, but there was a bit of a 'space-out' mindless factor that I don't think will be as prevalent in this new one.
SlechtWeerBeer
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Hmm, I feel there won't be a lot of strategy involved in killing a group of Fallen, except 'Leave the Overseer intact'. Why? It prevents them from running away all the time *rolleyes*