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Unique Ettin Axe

Discussion in 'Barbarian' started by Pooshy, Oct 4, 2006.

  1. Pooshy

    Pooshy IncGamers Member

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    Unique Ettin Axe

    I already forget it's name. I stopped playing, and started again, found out a barb I thought expired didn't. Anyways WW barb, Axe mastery. Now the best weapon I just recently found for him is this Unique Ettin Axe with 5 Sockets!

    I'm wondering, whats good to go into those sockets? I read somewhere it needs 45%ias in it to reach max WW speed. It suggested 40/15's but I'm not that rich, so does anyone have suggestions? Would 2x Shaels be enough? Should i find 3x 15%ias + good mod jewels? what about the other slots?
     
  2. Ce Olba

    Ce Olba Banned

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    You will need at least 44% IAS on that thing. And it's name is Runemaster by the way. I would suggest putting 3 ed/ias jewels and 2 ohms or ed jewels in it.
     
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    jakotaco IncGamers Member

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    But if you could afford those Ohms Ce Olba mentioned I guess you'd be better of with other weapons, Rune master can be a great weapon, but making it so is very expensive... unless ed is also very high I guess you can put whatever you see fit into those sockets base on economy...
     
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    Im kind in a similar position, after finding a perfect 270% etheral 5soc runemaster the other day on ladder west.
    I've Zodded it, but atm, thats where it stands... with 4 socs to go
    Its damage as is, is 183 - 366.
    Should I:

    ber ber lo lo it? or..
    ber lo ohm ohm it?

    Its going on a off hand frenzy barb, so ias is pointless

    Suggestions plz..
     
  5. Eilo Rytyj

    Eilo Rytyj IncGamers Member

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    how about go with all-out damage? you could get DS/CB elsewhere (Guill's, Gorerider, highlords)

    i've found that both 4x 40/15max jewels and 4xOhms result in the same average damage...

    4x 40/15 max = 262-584 = 423 average
    4x = Ohms 282-564 = 423 average

    That kind of damage is comparable to a Grief...

    To put that in perspective, a perfect 415% EBotD zerker does 185-548 damage, 366 average...

    it's really up to you. do you have DS/CB on other gear? if so, try the all-out damage route.
     
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    It's not. Grief hits the Last Whirlwind IAS breakpoint, thus it does WAY more average damage over time. Your precious weapon can at most hit the -10 frames breakpoint, making it's damage over time crappy.

    Yet it deals way more damage even over the first 20 frames (0.8 seconds).

    And by the way, 10% of DS adds ~7.8% to your overall damage. You will find it hard to get that much effectively added damage from ED. (On my BvC, if I wanted to get 7.8% more damage via ED, I would need 60% more ED) I mean, you can always squeeze more and more DS (EDC + HL=100% DS) until you hit 100%. Then you can start looking for +ED%. Or well, first get to a decent amount of damage (such as the 5 500), then get huge DS, and after that, if possible, get more ED.
     
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    But in my case, Ce Olba, im frenzying on off hand, so ias is null. (no ww here)
    Looks a little better now, doesnt it...

    Yeah, i like the 40/15max jwl idea, since ettin has good min damage anyway
    ..and there i was thinking a 40/15max was worth chippies, or worse, because of the restrictions made when socketing in helms or armor.

    Cheers dude for the info
     
  8. Ce Olba

    Ce Olba Banned

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    And what about the OP? He clearly said WW.
     
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    What is OP?
     
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    Ce Olba Banned

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    Opening Poster, the person who started the thread.
     
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    Whoa, haha, lol forgot about him.
    Pooshy the ww'er, yeah id definately put 3x ed%/15ias's in it and add a couple of ohms
     
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    40/15max isnt exactly down the toilet in value seeing as its still kinda godly when put in a weapon as you were intending.
     
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    sorry 'bout that, got a little carried away OT. totally forgot OP was WW, was more focused on Spankeh's problem...

    Ce Olba has a point with DS though... need to think about this some more regarding Lo runes vs Ohms...

    Try re-rolling jewels found in hell with the 3Pgem recipe Pooshy. It's a long shot, and you'll need a lot of Pgems, but there's a small chance that you'll stumble across an IAS jewel. Otherwise, Shael.

    P.S. Even more OT: I've noticed if average base dmg<75, 40/15max is better, if average base dmg>75, then Ohm is better (50-40=10% difference, 10% of 75 = 7.5 average, +15 max = 7.5 average). Ethereal Ettin axe is 74.25 average so technically 40/15's are slightly better, but there's no difference since the game rounds down to the nearest integer... ugh i'm finished... good night!
     
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    On a perfect Runemaster, 2 Ohms would add +49 average damage, whereas 2 Lo's would add +57 average damage. Compare this to 1 Ohm adding +25 average damage and 1 Lo adding 29. They're quite close to each other. Also, 1 40/15 would add +27. Two of those would add +40 average damage.

    three Ohms would add:
    +74 average damage
    Three Lo's would add:
    +86 average damage
    Three 40/15max's would add:
    +83 average damage

    Conclusion: Lo>40/15>Ohm.

    However, with the Ethereal, you will need to put a Zod in there. However, the ethereal adds a lot of damage to it (as now all your ohms add 75% damage instead of 50%)

    An ethereal Zodded 2*shael 2* ohm runemaster would have
    49.5 * 1.5 * 4.7 = 348.975 average damage
    Compared to:
    49.5 * 5.2 = 257.4 average damage. Ethereal vs. non ethereal, with 2 shaels on each.
     
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    Eilo Rytyj IncGamers Member

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    this is crazy... getting so technical

    something i failed to point out, all my calcs were done with Spankeh's particular one in mind, eth with a Zod already in it. eth Ettin is 49.5-99 base damage.

    i'm gettin' too old for this... math... jargon. bahumbug. i'm out.
     
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    Lems or Ists. I don't get the whole gold finding thing though, so I'd add ists as I get them. Then you get another one and do the same thing
     

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