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ultimate smite pala: conc aura + beast runeword = super ED smite d

Discussion in 'Paladin' started by Snarlin Stef, Mar 17, 2004.

  1. Snarlin Stef

    Snarlin Stef IncGamers Member

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    ultimate smite pala: conc aura + beast runeword = super ED smite

    ultimate smite pala: conc aura + beast runeword = super ED smite

    yes or no?

    why dont smiters use max conc aura + beast runeword (for the double stacking ED auras) for their smiters?

    thnx
    stef
     
  2. PoopyPants

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    Cause it's bm..
     
  3. joa_ix

    joa_ix IncGamers Member

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    is it bm???
    why its not even good (i did it and i found out that its better too use fana)
     
  4. moi

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    dont feel like running any numbers here, but with good fanat, good smite, and some str bonus, you're already going to have +1000% and more to your smite. You'll get more damage then by increasing the base damage, which is done with more + to holy shield. So a +2 pally skills scepter would probably end up giving you higher total damage in the end than beast with conc...
     
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    only if it was ber/ber or something. extra smite ed is irrelevant compared to open wounds and crushing blow.
     
  6. moi

    moi IncGamers Member

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    crushing blow doesnt kill, only damages by %, it is not a subsitute for damage. and open wounds is rather slow to act when you're hitting at 6fpa.
     
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    CB still adds to your final damage, and more damage is always nice. :D Open Wounds? Slow? Well, everyone has their own feel I suppose for how fast or slow something is, but even if you do a click and hold style duel, the 8 seconds or so that ow is in effect, usually is enough to really help bleed your opponent.
     
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    How about if it is for PvM?

    Is Beast better, or a weapon with just +2 Paladin Skills and same speed?
     
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    Hey I have an idea that's never been mentioned before: lacerator!!
     
  10. fugitive alien2

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    beast is better for pvm. monsters don't seem to care if it's bm apparently
     
  11. moi

    moi IncGamers Member

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    The +2 palla scepter will give you more damage, and the OW/CB can be easily made up with goblin toes/gore riders/guillamines/blood craft gloves
     
  12. Jackson

    Jackson IncGamers Member

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    I still don't get why you're saying +2 is better than the almost 200% ED though.

    Beast also has those mods (OW and CB) already, so why would you want to switch lets say your Harly for an Orphan's Helm?
     
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    I dont think ed from a weapon adds to smite.
     
  14. Jackson

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    Well, yes, it does.

    And also, the ED comes from the secondary aura that's stacking along with Concentration.
     
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    Well, Im ******** and apparently not paying attention (beast= lvl 9 fana, doh!)

    Im not even sure if I was talking about the same thing as everyone else.

    Edit- Damn you language filter, and I stand by the weapon ed doesnt affect smite (other than random auras) statement.
     
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    why not make BEAST out of a caddy . . .

    that has +3 smite . . .

    and +3 concentration . . .

    is that possible . . .

    if so . . .

    i'm going to make one today . . .
     
  17. fugitive alien2

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    +2 pally with max fanat might give you slightly more damage than beast with max conc, but it's very close - close enough not to matter compared to convenience of having OW/CB on weapon.
     
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    When majorBB said that he doesn't think that the ED on the weapon doesn't add to smite, that's rhethorical. He's telling the truth. Only ED outside of the weapon adds to smite. With the exceptions of the Redeemer and the Unique Caddy which somehow is able to add damage with their +damage mods unlike War Trav, +max mods do not add more damage to smite.

    From the Paladin FAQ by Ragna:

    Smite: Smite speed depends on your weapon speed, and Increased Attack Speed gotten from gear affect it. Smite ignores both target’s defense and target’s block, so it nearly always will hit your target (Smite can be blocked by dual wielding sins using the weapon block skill, and amazons can dodge or evade it though). It has an added knockback effect to it, and it also stuns its target (this feature doesn’t work in PvP though, or against bosses for example). The damage of smite is greatly increased by the Holy Shield skill, and it’s capped at 6 frames. Smite damage is enhanced by Strength bonus (which is displayed on the character screen) and Enhanced Damage outside your weapon (which isn't)

    Things that work with smite:

    Crushing blow
    Chance to cast something on striking
    Hit blinds target
    Hit freezes target
    Open Wounds
    Enhanced Damage
    Prevent Monster Heal
    +Damage modifier on the Redeemer (unique Mighty Scepter) and Astreon's Iron Ward (unique Caduceus)
    Curses such as Life Tap, Amplify Damage...

    Things that won’t work with smite:

    Life or Mana leech
    Deadly Strike
    Elemental Damage
    +Max/Min Damage

    The +damage modifier is specially useful in PvP, since it adds the straight amount of damage indicated (it won't be displayed in the character screen) to your attack, without being affected by the PvP penalty, Damage Reduction...

    Link: http://strategy.diabloii.net/news.php?id=539
     
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    I kind of meant that the ED from the Fanac tht you get from the weapon will work.
     
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    CB can be made up easily, but now OW. Using a Guill mean's 130 or so less life and mana, and two less skills.

    Fana+conc>Fana.
     

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