Uber Tristram

tommerbob

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Uber Tristram

I haven't been to uber tristram yet. I have some questions about it.

Is it possible to solo it? If so, what are the best builds for it?

If its not soloable, are there certain characters that I should group together that would be better than others?

If more than one player is in uber tristram, does more than 1 hellfire torch drop? If not, who gets the torch? Fastest clicker?
 

moneymango

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Re: Uber Tristram

Yes it is possible to solo. Commonly refered to as the best build is the smiter. Only one hellfire torch can drop. Also you can only carry one in your inventory at a time, so if you're holding one already you cannot pick the dropped torch up.
 

DoomBoy

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Re: Uber Tristram

Well, if you like to be safe, go with 1 smiter, 1 zealer, and 2-3 howling barbs. That is super safe because:

1. The barbs are always howling beside you to prevent monsters mobbing
2. The zealer takes care of those pesky stranglers that run back
3. The smiter takes care of the boss aka Meph, Baal, or Diablo
4. You can alternate between a fana and salvation aura because of the two paladins
5. You get 4-5 SoH's dropping (basically a trophy for completing the run)

Remember to wear stacked resists because of Meph's conviction aura. Try making a treachery runeword on armor and let your fade cast on before looking for Meph, if you want to be ultra safe.

Well, hopefully someone ID's that torch and gives it to the appropriate class in the game

I hope you just don't get 1-shotted with Mephy's super lightning ball of death ;)
 

tommerbob

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Re: Uber Tristram

Okay I've been reading up on soloing uber tristram with a smiter/zealot. I'd like some feedback on this plan, let me know what you think:

For strategy, take out meph first, with salvation aura on. Once he's dead, switch to fanaticism.

Smite the uber's to death, and use zeal on all the mobs.

For gear I plan on using Grief, HoZ, CoH, and maybe Crown of Thieves, if i can get rich enough to get a hold of those things. I'm not sure about the other gear though.

What do you guys think? Anything else i should know about or plan on?
 

Brutass

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Re: Uber Tristram

If your going to solo make sure you perm the game first before doing Ubers. If you don't perm the game, and you die and you can't get back to your body you will be pretty much stuffed. Dracul's Gloves are a good source of life tap, as is Last Wish runeword for fade and salvation aura (for the rich)
 

tommerbob

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Re: Uber Tristram

I'm using CoH (8% lifesteal), probably Crown of Thieves (12% lifesteal), and possibly a BK ring (~3% lifesteal). Also possibly a Highlord's. Not sure about the ammy and rings yet. That's 20% MINIMUM. If that's not enough, I'm scared. I could also go with Venum Grip gloves, which has 5% lifesteal. (Do you know what dracul's is going for on USWest right now? As it is, I'm spending pretty much everything I can spare on getting my CoH, Grief, and HoZ).

I've also thought about going with a Tal's mask. 10% lifesteal, plus 15% resist all. I've heard a Shako is really good...but for ubers? It's got no +resistances, and no lifesteal.
 

moneymango

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Re: Uber Tristram

I dont think lifesteal works on the ubers.

Someone confirm this for me please.

EDIT: Just looked this up myself. You cannot steal life from uber meph. You can however steal life from Uber D and Uber Baal. Even though you can steal life from D and Baal, it is at greatly diminished values (15 and 20 drain Effectiveness respectively).

Basically, best case scenario for your smiter:

Doing 8k average smite damage against uber Baal.

8k damage X .5 = 4k damage to baal(physical resist of 50%)
4k x (.4x.2) = 320 life leached back.

Even at this best case scenario, Baal's melee attack does 1.5 times the damage you will be leeching back, not to mention minions.

EDIT # 2 : I dont see any CB on your build. I've never made a smiter, but i know my uber kicksin wouldnt think about going into uber trist witout CB
 
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tommerbob

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Re: Uber Tristram

CB?

Please explain...

edit: Crushing blow? I think I got it. What would you suggest?
 

SeCKSEgai

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Re: Uber Tristram

I'm using CoH (8% lifesteal), probably Crown of Thieves (12% lifesteal), and possibly a BK ring (~3% lifesteal). Also possibly a Highlord's. Not sure about the ammy and rings yet. That's 20% MINIMUM. If that's not enough, I'm scared. I could also go with Venum Grip gloves, which has 5% lifesteal. (Do you know what dracul's is going for on USWest right now? As it is, I'm spending pretty much everything I can spare on getting my CoH, Grief, and HoZ).

I've also thought about going with a Tal's mask. 10% lifesteal, plus 15% resist all. I've heard a Shako is really good...but for ubers? It's got no +resistances, and no lifesteal.
Before I started running ubers solo, I had some wealth to fall back on. Honestly, if you're struggling to acquire the usual recommendations - then you should really hold off as I wouldn't recommend it on a budget build - my kicker was a budget build when she started but she had many of the necessities lying around on mules when I made her.

Life leech isn't sufficient for these hard hitters - that's why a source of lifetap is required - without a single source you'll find yourself dead quickly.

*sidenote: Draculs is about um-hr+ lately. I would prefer using an exile to hoz myself if I bothered to make my palli.


 

Aien

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Re: Uber Tristram

Just to be clear, life steal and lifetap are very different. Lifetap is the necro curse, and you can get a source of it with either Dracul's Grasp, Exile, Last Wish, or a wand with lifetap charges (shoppable). Life steal doesn't really matter with Ubers.

Your number one and two priorities should be obtaining a source of lifetap (I would put obtaining Dracs above anything else if you're on a budget), and stacking resists to +175 each, or whetever number the guides suggest. Put all else on hold for that. As a smiter, once you have those two things, with a bit of strategy, you can defeat Ubers solo. Without those two things, you may not be able to.

Good luck. :)
 

tommerbob

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Re: Uber Tristram

Alright, thanks for the help.

I didn't know the difference between lifetap and steal.

I've heard debate between Grief and Last Wish as the better smite weapon. Opinions? Right now, I've got a 390 Grief PB that I plan on using, but if Last Wish really is that much better, I'll trade it in.
 

SeCKSEgai

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Re: Uber Tristram

Stick with the grief - the bonuses really don't offset the cost of a lastwish, especially in the hands of a smiter. Both weapons will improve a smiter's effectiveness - but when you compare the two then compare the cost of making (or acquiring) it's really no contest.
 

Aien

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Re: Uber Tristram

Agree with that -- go Grief, especially with such a good damage roll.
 

tommerbob

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Re: Uber Tristram

Okay, so I finally did my first tristy run. Was that a joke!? Hell Baal runs are way harder than that. Granted I was geared pretty well.

Last Wish (I decided to go with last wish for the huge Crushing Blow, extra Lifetap, not to mention Fade)
HoZ
CoH
Shako
Draculs Grasp
Gore Riders
Call to Arms on switch

I don't remember the ammy/rings I used. They weren't that good. But my other gear was apparently more than enough, cause that was the easiest thing I've ever done. The only problem I had was I forgot to repair my LW beforehand, so it broke mid-run. Not really a problem though, I just jumped in and out of the portal in 10 seconds time.

I wasn't planning on id'ing the torch though, try to get a couple hr's for an unid torch, but then I id'd it by habit thanks to Cain. It ended up a 16-19 Dtorch, not bad stats I guess for a first run. Too bad it wasn't a Ptorch. :/
 

jel

Banned
Re: Uber Tristram

Life leech isn't sufficient for these hard hitters - that's why a source of lifetap is required - without a single source you'll find yourself dead quickly.

*sidenote: Draculs is about um-hr+ lately. I would prefer using an exile to hoz myself if I bothered to make my palli.
Life leech doesn't work at all on Mephisto, and very bad on Baal and Diablo. I don't follow if you're talking about a kicker or a smiter, but smite does not life leech at all except from life tap.

Yes life tap is usually needed, but if you're skilled a life tap wand is enough, if not then there exists about 4-5 items with life tap, as exile is pretty expensive and I guess the same goes for draculs now, then there's still marrowalks.

Stick with the grief - the bonuses really don't offset the cost of a lastwish, especially in the hands of a smiter. Both weapons will improve a smiter's effectiveness - but when you compare the two then compare the cost of making (or acquiring) it's really no contest.
Depending of the amount of crushing blow already present a black flail can often easily outride a grief weapon when looking at the duration each run is going to take. Using cost analysis, assuming he hadn't the grief (though he has, so he might as well use it), black flail clearly wins.

@Tommerbob

Honestly you had resist checked, ability to leech back life checked, plenty of hit points checked, a source of open wounds checked and a lot of crushing blow checked. Not weird seeing the items you used that it was no challenge, I don't know how much time you used on getting those items, but you could have went off with a lot less and probably already have had been doing some runs by then.


 

SeCKSEgai

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Re: Uber Tristram

@Jel

Life leech not sufficient - I figured I didn't have to explain details after saying that it basically won't matter.

Life tap is required. That's what I said - how you get it doesn't so much matter as long as you can apply it and make use of it.

CB only goes so far. The slowest aspect of killing an uber is once the CB loses its effect. As Boss life goes down, CB drops in effectiveness. Once CB stops making a significant difference in extra damage - pure damage makes the difference in speed. A black flail is cheap and effective - but a grief blade will outperform.

If you're in uberland, you're most likely able to afford a grief. Last Wish adds a nice might aura, and ctc fade, but a grief takes fewer hrs and supplies additional damage. On a Smiter I'd take the grief, since I'd rather have the venom over the fade. Since you don't miss with a smiter (unless you're zealing) you don't need to worry about a string of misses keeping you from lifetapping.
 

jel

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Re: Uber Tristram

@Jel
CB only goes so far. The slowest aspect of killing an uber is once the CB loses its effect. As Boss life goes down, CB drops in effectiveness. Once CB stops making a significant difference in extra damage - pure damage makes the difference in speed. A black flail is cheap and effective - but a grief blade will outperform.
I agree with the first part, but if you calculate the difference in time, then crushing blow will usually be the part that reduces life so much that when it comes to it, it may be the difference of 20 seconds at most, where as it may very well take over a week (maybe even a month?) more for the general player to go from a black flail to a grief phase blade. What I believe is the relevant question is what is by a time/cost analyses the most efficient way of getting torches, and there, unless you cheat (dupes) or have "friends" who'll give you duped stuff that flail outshines grief.

I assumed the crushing blow with both black and grief was the same, just to put it is as simple as I could.

@Jel
If you're in uberland, you're most likely able to afford a grief. Last Wish adds a nice might aura, and ctc fade, but a grief takes fewer hrs and supplies additional damage. On a Smiter I'd take the grief, since I'd rather have the venom over the fade. Since you don't miss with a smiter (unless you're zealing) you don't need to worry about a string of misses keeping you from lifetapping.
Well me and my friend did a lot of ubers a year ago or something like that, I was a smite paladin and he was a summon necromancer, we had no fancy gear at all, he would often give me a meat shield through his minions (teleport circlet), cast life tap and otherwise cast dim vision and terror, while I had a blood belt (open wounds), blood gloves, black flail, gulliame's, 4 pdiamond elite paladin shield with resist mod, treachery armor that got replaced by a smoke after fade buff, and some other stuff I don't remember. Anyway the point was that we both had some very low gear and we managed quite well. I think we used two sorcs for finding keys as our plan was to harvest torches in the beginning of the ladder and then selling those for equipment for pvp, anyway as we ended up playing only a few hours once a week many went before us.
So you don't have to be able to afford anything special while übering, heck a harmony bow with its revive charges can be sufficient for many chars as long as they have a few other areas taken care of by other means.

I don't think venom works with smite.

I don't know why you're writing the last part, but yes I agree with that as well.


 

SeCKSEgai

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Re: Uber Tristram

@ Jel - that last line about worrying about missing was more in regards to another thread, but something worth keeping in mind for an upcoming smiter.

Doing ubers is possible without high end gear, but it's not advised. If you have help like you mention, high end gear is far from necessary - you're not alone and as long as party members can support each other, you'll be successful. However, as a great deal of people have wanted to do the challenge solo, it changes the dynamic, as you basically have to be able to cover all the necessary bases on your own. Getting CB is one thing, but then there's stacking resist, lifetap, open wounds, life (as you'll do the primary tanking) and additional damage.

If you're able to acquire the keys and beat the first 3 minis, then you should be able to afford the gear. Most people who uber for profit typically solo. Party play is different since if yo can reliably get play time in together then you can support each other. If you had ended up going along with that plan you would have wanted to upgrade for efficiencies sake really anyway.
 
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