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U.S. soldier pleads guilty to rape and murder

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Dondrei, Nov 15, 2006.

  1. Dondrei

    Dondrei IncGamers Member

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    U.S. soldier pleads guilty to rape and murder

    I tried to google the story to find it on a better news service than the crappy one my ISP provides, but as always I came up empty-handed.

    I figured there'd be a thread about it eventually, so I might as well be the one to start it.
     
  2. Amra

    Amra IncGamers Member

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    FOX is your friend.

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  3. Sir EvilFreeSmeg

    Sir EvilFreeSmeg Banned

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    Does his being a soldier change anything? Nope. A scumbag rapist is a scumbag rapist. He should hang from a light pole at the main gate for the base and left for a month to rot.
     
  4. Amra

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    Apparently he ratted to get out of the death penality.
     
  5. Sir EvilFreeSmeg

    Sir EvilFreeSmeg Banned

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    Hang him anyway. Or perhaps, make him no longer hung if you get the idea. :idea:
     
  6. Talga Vasternich

    Talga Vasternich IncGamers Member

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    Of course it makes a difference... to the people who want it to make a difference.
    Had these soldiers not been in Iraq, they would have done the same thing somewhere in America, and it would have been front-page news in America while the rest of the world would never hear about it. Now it's another example of how evil we Americans really are.

    They will be tried, and if the article is reliable about the facts, they will be found guilty and punished according to their crimes.
    If it wouldn't set such a dangerous precedent, they should be given over to the Iraqi legal system to face charges.



     
  7. Sir EvilFreeSmeg

    Sir EvilFreeSmeg Banned

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    Ah yes, how silly of me to forget the left hates the military and will use every instance of wrongdoing to further their own Chamberlain/chamberpot ideals.
     
  8. Dondrei

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    Sure, if they'd been fighting Iraqi insurgents in the streets of America.

    P.S. Why is this court presided over by MacGyver?



     
  9. Talga Vasternich

    Talga Vasternich IncGamers Member

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    That is merely a weak-*** attempt at a justification for what he was doing.
    Anyone who would rape a 14 year old girl, kill her, and kill her parents along with a younger child would do something similarly grotesque eventually.



     
  10. Dondrei

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    You think a guy could easily convince three other U.S. soldiers to go with him to gang-rape a girl and murder her and her family (as he claims) if they were on American soil and had not just endured a protracted violent insurgency where friend and foe look alike?

    And are you ruling out the possible effects of PTSD? Would you claim that all those Viet Vets who went nuts and killed their families were always homicidal maniacs?
     
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    Rape and murder are terrible crimes regardless of location, occupation, or any other such qualifier.

    If he's guilty, I hope they find him guilty and he's punished in accordance to the law.

    I won't be using this or any other terrible crime by the few to judge the whole.

    -D2netDad
     
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    I don't know if I agree with you Talga. If they had been in America, drinking booze, playing cards, and wanting to get some action, do you think that they would go invade someone's home and do such despicable things, or go get a whore?

    I would argue that:
    a) they are placed in very stressful positions in Iraq
    b) there is likely a lot of frustration/anger/etc. towards "the people" if they had witnessed their mates being attacked by insurgents (car bombs, etc.)
    c) had weapons at their disposal
    d) wanted an easy outlet for their frustration/anger/etc.
    e) a house occupied by "one of them" would be a psychological step away from a house in their home town.

    Does any of what I said mean that the guys that did this aren't scumbags? Not at all.

    I just don't think that the situation would be very likely to occur in the US in the same manner.



     
  13. Talga Vasternich

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    Probably. He showed considerable ability to dehumanize the object of his anger.
    As for the others, they were mindless enough to go along with these evil acts, so I seriously doubt they would show more restraint in a different situation.

    Yes.
    Insane =/= evil.
    But the casue doesn't change the act... only the sentence.
    I agree. Not the same manner.
    I believe that he had the mentality that would allow him to perform such an act of violence without any thought to his victim(s)
     
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    Ok. So do you think that this group were predisposed to be this way, or it was a symptom/result of their experiences in Iraq?

    I know you already ruled out PTSD w/ Dondrei, just rephrasing.



     
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    That was my first thought too.
    Hmmm, I wonder why he would be able to dehumanize a person so thoroughly. Maybe . . . a war? I'll check, but I seem to remember that dehumanizing the enemy is the first thing a soldier learns to do in order to cope with the whole "killing other people" part of the job description.



     
  16. Dondrei

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    You're using the fact of act itself to establish that the act was inevitable. That's circular logic.

    Why? Because it's more convenient for you to believe they're all evil guys?

    How do you know the Viet Vets were insane and these guys evil?



     
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    I've seen soldiers in Colorado Springs do some pretty sketchy stuff to girls. The service does occasionally pick up scumbags. I'm skeptical about PTSD personally.



     
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    If I were going to be skeptical about all this, I would say that these guys just happened to be the hapless fools that were chosen to be scape goats. The straw that broke the mule's back. I would say that if a bunch of soldiers didn't get some serious prosecution about some of the nasty stuff going on there, then the Iraqis would decide to actually apply their laws to the US soldiers, and then case after case would be uncovered and persued, and Aljazeera would be right there to throw on the spotlight, making the ever-victorious army look quite bad.

    That is of course, if I wanted to be skeptical about all this. Thankfully I'm not.
     
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    This is probably a result of either peer pressure or mental illness.
     
  20. Pitboss_2000

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    Quoted for truth. Rapists don't deserve to live.



     

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