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Trying to take advantage

Discussion in 'Hardcore' started by Wolfedude, Jul 7, 2010.

  1. Wolfedude

    Wolfedude IncGamers Member

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    Trying to take advantage

    Ok I've been playing DiabloII since it first came out; leaving & returning whenever the ladder resets. And I have never taking advantage of the runewords that can be made. Oh I have made a few of the simple ones but I have never had any really "high" runes to make some of the better items that can be made.

    This go round I at least have found or traded for a few of the runes that might make the game a little more interesting. I am sure this is just because BNet has just loosened up the purse strings regarding rune drops. But anyway I find myself sitting with a Sur, Ohm, Um, Mals, Kos and the usual lower ones. I know I can't make the lower resist Polearm and tear the game up with a conviction merc; but after looking at what I can make I am even more unsure what looks good to try out. I primarily play a skellymancer & a hybrid bowzon/javazon, occasionally a cold sorc.

    I have checked the following for which I either have or could trade for the runes:
    Bramble - Might put it on my skellymancer but is it worth it for really just the Thorns aura
    Call To Arms - In what, a polearm for my merc or a bow
    Delirium - Would this really work in a helm on my merc
    Duress - why
    Gloom - not much here either
    Sanctuary - Shield that doesn't seem to help very much
    Wind - Total waste of a Sur
    Obedience - Now this is kinda interesting
    Rift - On my merc this would be interesting but doesn't have ED

    My question guys is it worth it to try any of these runewords out? The only one I have looked at that I really am sure to try is Harmony on my Bowzon to see how all of that elemental damage works out with a strafe attack.

    If any of you guys have tried any of these out and were happy with the results, I sure would appreciate you responding here & letting me know the what & why of the words you used. Thanks for your replies.
     
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    Re: Trying to take advantage

    I'm very happy with the Obedience on my summon Necro's merc. Only thing is that it has 0ias. Another runeword you might want to look into is 'treachery' to couple with the obedience.

    Also, a cheaper alternative to duress that I used on my hybrid zon was 'lionheart' until I found a Lo for fortitude. I never had a need to make a CtA this ladder since I used a bo-barb in each game. But if you wanted to, it is very nice, and mostly would be made in a 5osflail/crystal sword for use on switch(+ spirit monarch/lidless)

    Haven't tried much of the others, but imo Bramble: not worth it.
     
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    Re: Trying to take advantage

    I consider Duress the replacement for Lionheart and like Lionheart, a great candidate for the "best bang for the buck." rune word. For a Shael, Um and Thul you get.

    +40% Faster Hit Recovery
    +10-20% Enhanced Damage (varies)
    Adds 37-133 Cold Damage 2 sec. Duration (Normal)
    15% Chance of Crushing Blow
    33% Chance of Open Wounds
    +150-200% Enhanced Defense (varies)
    -20% Slower Stamina Drain
    Cold Resist +45%
    Lightning Resist +15%
    Fire Resist +15%
    Poison Resist +15%

    This is a rocking RW for melee. I've used it on my kick-trapper before and loved it. I think it would be great for a strafer too, since the pressure is off in terms of the speed breaks.
     
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    Re: Trying to take advantage

    a call to arms would help any of ur chars.
    in a sword or flail for ur necro or sorc, to buff them selfs, mercs and minions and in a bow its a really nice weapon for a zon (ias, ed, skill, ll and life boost)
    bramble armors are for poison using characters (sin, psn-nec, psn-java), which u don´t have, so just ignore
    sanctuary is a very nice shield with its huge res, block and stuff for ur zon on java switch, but a mosers works as fine imo
    the trick with rift is to put it on a char that attacks really fast (kicksin or zealer) and use as much -(cold)res and +% cold dmg as posible to get possibly a higher orb dmg/time than an orb sorc (no cast delay for its ctc, so up to 5 orbs per second possible)
    obedience rocks, beats most other merc weapons
    duress would be nice on any of ur mercs or ur zon, altho i´d prefer treachery, lionheart and griswolds for a hybrid over it
     
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    Re: Trying to take advantage

    Obedience is excellent in a fast elite Ethereal polearm. An Ethereal Obedience Thresher works great because Threshers are natural 5 sockets. This is one of THE best bang for the buck runewords IMO. It's always 370% ED, too, so you know for sure what the damage is going to be and a pretty high damage at that. When enchanted my lvl 89 Might merc is doing almost 10K max damage.
     
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    Re: Trying to take advantage

    Obediance - on a Summon Necro merc is a great weapon.. It will make your merc smile and you will too once he starts knocking baddies out.. I use this pole exclusively on my summoners too..

    RIFT - is another very interesting RW if have the items for a Rift a Sin.. Very fun but unless you have a green merc pole its not gonna work as well..

    Duress- is my melle armor of choice for mose of my physical type characters. Good mods and cheaper than the other Higher armors..
     
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    Re: Trying to take advantage

    I have a 5 os Thresher but it is not ethereal. I feel like I should hold out for an eth one but I may never find one. Maybe I should go ahead and put it on my necro's merc and go ahead. There is no reason to just wait forever to see what I can find.

    I sure am gonna miss the Insite aura though. Made CS easy w/o using the pots.
     
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    Re: Trying to take advantage

    Went ahead & made the Thresher into "Obedience" and all I can say is "boy does Baal go down 3-4 times faster". My question now is whether or not to keep the merc wearing Tal's mask or to switch him to the Orphan's Helmet? Obedience gives 40% Crushing Blow; if I add the set helm I add 35% Crushing Blow and 15% Deadly Strike, while losing the 10% life steal from Tal's.

    I don't know if there is a limit to the amount of CB I can have or whether I get capped at a certain point.

    Appreciate your replies and advice.
     
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    Re: Trying to take advantage

    u can have 100% cb, that is the cap, since every hit will trigger it
    i would value the leach higher than the cb if u already have some, cuz he can only trigger the cb as long as he´s alive
     
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    Re: Trying to take advantage

    +1 your merc is not crushing much when he's lying face down, *** up with some of Baal's nasty tentacles in places where the sun don't shine.



     
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    Re: Trying to take advantage

    Little remark on this, you can get 100% CB, but it will trigger 95% of the time, due to the cap in chance to hit (max is 95%).



     
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    Re: Trying to take advantage

    very true, but if u have 95 % cb and u only hit 95% u´ll only have 0.95² = 0.902 -> 90% of the attacks

    100% cb means every hit u land will trigger it, not each attack


     
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    Re: Trying to take advantage

    go out of your way to make infinity. it is worth it. so too is faith. faith and infinity are worth it if you spend everything you have to make them. harmony is very nice for the runes, one of the best for the investment. add to the pound for pound list lawbringer, and oath. oath in particular is a fantastic runeword.

    also you didnt mention this but you should try to upgrade a few exceptional uniques to elite. high def vipermagi trade very well. witchwild string is a great one to up. eth uniques like duriel's shell and shaftstop make great merc armors.

    ps. call to arms, bramble, delirium, sanctuary, wind, duress, and gloom arent ladder only so you can always wait to make them after ladder reset. tip: make a lot of good spirits in whatever base you can get your hand on as well as insight and you should be able to trade these for goodies on NL. should meaning this works alright on SC, but i've not played HC NL so i dont know for sure.
     
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    Re: Trying to take advantage

    And from there it only gets worse due to monsters that also happen to have a block chance. Hell Baal has a 55% chance to block and a surprising amount of other monsters can block, too.

    I often wonder about SP players since they commonly complain about CTH a bit more than online players, if they just happen to notice the monsters blocking while online play is pretty much plagued with too much latency to notice it. [SIZE=-1][SIZE=-1][/SIZE][/SIZE]


     

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