Tri Sorc Caster - Items for Ubers

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Re: Tri Sorc Caster - Items for Ubers

Jeezzuz!




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There are a few players here who REALLY needs to get laid soon !!


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Why do people think math and sex are not related?
They guy did a nice job, and didnt take that long to get all of that done. It took more effor than time, the calculations are easy and even a monkey would be able to do. The hard part is the write everything down and to look for all the needed information.

 

[lumpor]

Re: Tri Sorc Caster - Items for Ubers

Your not taking into account the fact that with full tals set i will have less resistances there by causing the need for more charms for resistances. There fore less room for skill charms. This was not taken into account for this at all. If you do you would realize that overall the resistances for what I have suggested with occy setup would be 35+65+15 = 115 All resist. Tals when added all together you get 65 All resist then 40cold 40fire 73 light.

. Tals Res My Setup Res
F 105 115
C 105 115
L 128 115
P 65 115

So to even match what I got i would need at least 3sc and prob a large.

There is also the added attributes allowing me to wear the ward shield giving me the extra 2% to block. Then you take into account the absorb and dr. If I want more damage though I can switch to my eschutas but this will hurt resistances.

1. You aren't reading my post. If you don't read my post, then what's the meaning of replying to it?

First, you said that your setup DOES ALOT MORE DAMAGE. You didn't only say that it was better because of the resists. You said your setup has alot more damage. Then I proved you wrong, and showed that full tals does more damage.

Except for my first reply in this thread, I didn't suggest tals as the idead setup. You must've misread some part. I was merely showing that tals does more damage, not that it's the ideal setup. I know hoto and whatever is better overall, but you said it did MORE DAMAGE, and therefore I showed proof that full tals does more damage, even though it's not the ideal setup. I'm repeating myself to be sure it won't be misread again

2. Escucha does super-low damage. +%skill damage stacks with your mastery, so it will hardly help anything. Even for offense, you're better of with hoto or something.

 

[Cranium]

Re: Tri Sorc Caster - Items for Ubers

Full tal's. Since fire and lightning mastery gives enough of +skill damage to get along, and cold mastery gives enough -enemy resistance to get along, you'll want -fire and -lightning resist, and +cold skill damage. Bllizzard understood that needs, and that is why they created the tal set. You should use it for a triple element sorc.

That seems to me like your telling me its what I should use.

Tals is only better vs immunities. The math there proves it I do 13395.965 avg vs 12180.25 avg for meteor on Lillith. I am sorry if this happens to be a special case due to all the lower resistances but it still stands.

Now to get back to the main point. I want to hear more info about indestructible mercs because the +Skills doesn't stack for conviction and I want to get a merc that can stand his own for 36secs. Thats the max time it takes for me to kill each uber. He has to use Infinity though.

The timing will probably be less due to skill charms but I am not redoing all the math to figure it out.

 

[AgentMarth]

Re: Tri Sorc Caster - Items for Ubers

The best Indestructible Merc I can think of would be a Infinity, CoA (2-15/15's) with CoH (Fade Prebuff) with a pure BO Barbs cry's on him.

Even then tough, with all the minions around, and you being unable to tank, he won't last long, even with tap. All it will take, is one hit to hit recovery him, then the subsequent hits will toast him.

If you are able to pull this off, I would like to see it. But one thing I didn't see while scanning over the post (Yeah I ain't reading ALL of that, tl;dr) is that you have no way of negating the Uber's regeneration. Without OW (or poison on B/D) they have a chance of regenerating faster then you can take them out. Lilith alone I don't think will be possible.

TBH, the only Tri-Sorc I see being able to solo (outside help of BO/Shout from a Barb negates "solo" IMO) would be a Melee Sorc like the one in the video posted here that used Enchant/Dream's/Blizzard for the Fire/Light/Cold.

Just my 2 cents which you probably don't care about.

 

[stephan]

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Now to get back to the main point. I want to hear more info about indestructible mercs because the +Skills doesn't stack for conviction and I want to get a merc that can stand his own for 36secs. Thats the max time it takes for me to kill each uber. He has to use Infinity though.

As said above, you are not even doing enough damage to counter their regeneration. How are you going to kill each one in 36 seconds?

 

[lumpor]

Re: Tri Sorc Caster - Items for Ubers

Cranium, the post that you quoted was my first post. I was wrong then, I admit. But then you said that tals damage is lower, and I proved to you that it wasn't. The second post has nothing to do with the first one

 

[Cranium]

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Stacking damage good sirs is how I intend to do this. The meteor patches contain enough fir damage when combined with the explosions to deal [FONT=arial,helvetica][FONT=arial,helvetica]660000. I did this by taking this number and dividing it by [/FONT][/FONT]66536.64 which equals 9.91 round that up to 10. So thats 10 meteors to deal enough damage. Then we take 10 and multiply it by the casting dealy which is 1.2 and that gives you 12 seconds. Then you add the 12 seconds onto the length of the meteor patch burn which is 24 add them makes 36 seconds. For Diablo you do the same thing only with frozen orb. Frozen Orb is 1263.85 the thing that must be remembered about frozen orb is thats the damage per spike and you can hit something with all 20 of the last part of the orb. So we take 20 times 1263.85 and that equals 25277. Take the [FONT=arial,helvetica][FONT=arial,helvetica]660000 and divide it by [/FONT][/FONT] We then take the casting time for that which is 26.11 then times it by the casting delay which is 1 second meaning it will be the same 26.11 seconds.

So that is in a nut shell how I plan on doing it but i need my merc to hold them for that long. I also thought about static field but, I am un-sure of how close I can get without dying.

Agent Marth I agree it seems my merc will probably need help and in the video you are referring to this was done via revives which might be a good idea. Also as for poison damage enough to stop regen i think its 100 psn damage I was hoping of trying to incorperate it into my merc somehow. Although this is looking somewhat bleak. I am begining to wonder if i might need to use angelic rings and ammy plus a harmony and psn scs. Harmony gives level 20 revive charges btw.

Also I dont expect this to be easy so... Although I may be able to do it with 4 skill gcs to help. If I could get additional help with charm layout that would be great. Right now I am thinking for resistances 145 Items + 30 Res quest + 40 Torch and anni. That takes me to 215. I will need another 65 which means 15 5%sc. 2 psn scs enough to stop the health regen. I think that will help that out. It will also leave enough room for a weapon switch out of my harmony rune bow arrows and the lower resist wand using the cube.

Keep the problems coming guys. 'Cause i want to see if this is viable before investing hours upon hours of game play time to getting the items i need.

 

[AgentMarth]

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I personally don't think it is viable.

Even if you hit them, which even with dual Angelic's will be a pain, the poison will not work on Mephisto and Lilith. You would need a source of Open Wounds for them, which would either be Drac's or Gores commonly. A Sorc based with plus skills will not be able to tank, and you will get hurt, and hurt bad.

No way, no way do I see only 10 Meteors taking an Uber out, regen aside. You're also suggesting a 66k Meteor, and 1.2k FO, which is not gonna happen.

Remember, you will not, at any time, be able to use LR on the Uber's and you Merc stay alive. Without Tap (and even that most likely won't work) he will be toast in a heartbeat.

Poison damage doesn't matter, its the duration. it can be 6 poison damage over 20 seconds and still have the same effect in stopping the regen.

Minions, minions, minions. Just getting your Merc to engage the Uber's them selves will be tough, but if he wanders to the minions, its just gonna get him killed. One swing at a Physical Immune Wraith or Vampire dude, i.e. no leech even with Tap, and bye bye bye. Not to mention if he gets swarmed, he will be taking alot of damage, and again, one hit that puts him into hit recovery is all it will take.

Baal's Clone, and knockback wave thingy. Knocked back Merc = Toast again, or at the very least, no tanking, which doesn't end well.

Unless you want to head for some over the top impossible challenge, I'd just take some Pgems, level a Zeal/Smiter, and torch run with them. If you don't want the conventional route, try a Frenzy/Kicker/Fury/something different, but not a caster.

 

[Cranium]

Re: Tri Sorc Caster - Items for Ubers

I have a smiter thats not the point. Also you get 25 charges of lvl 20 revive so if my merc can take out those pink things diablo spawns i can use them to help hold back meph. It will be a pain in the butt I am assuming that from the get go. Life Tap will be there if i need it although with 20 of those pink things diablo spawns I think I can get mephisto to stand still long enough to drop enough meteor to kill him. Also the math for those damages comes from the purposed setup which will supply enough plus skills to acquire and the damages are done after lower resists and everything is taken into account.

 

[Akse]

Re: Tri Sorc Caster - Items for Ubers

I have done ubers tons of times just never with a merc I never use them on my characters. I have seen mercs tough it out with delirium and no LT so there is a way.

Points for that!:thumbup:

 

[Cranium]

Re: Tri Sorc Caster - Items for Ubers

:withstupid:

You dont have to have a merc to see one. You do realize if you play with other ppl you will have friends. Most of which use mercs so you can easily see a merc tough it out. Also there are these things called videos. :thumbup:

 

[AgentMarth]

Re: Tri Sorc Caster - Items for Ubers

Yes, but they are also probably tanking everything, hence safer for the Merc. Or, the CtC Confuse does kick in, and takes the heat from the Minions off, but at the same time, won't stop the Uber's from attacking them. However since they are most likely engaged with your friends atm, the Uber's won't head for the Merc.

I run Trist with a Merc, sometimes he makes it, sometimes he doesn't. It depends on if Mephy likes to charge him first, or if I want to waste a purple or two on him.

Another point to counteract, you won't be able to revive the Pit Lords (Pink things). The bodies tend to disappear on you, and even if they didn't, by the time your Merc kills 20 of them that stay to be revived, you will have long since passed the 3 mins for there length.

Again, what do you plan to do about:

Even if you hit them, which even with dual Angelic's will be a pain, the poison will not work on Mephisto and Lilith. You would need a source of Open Wounds for them, which would either be Drac's or Gores commonly. A Sorc based with plus skills will not be able to tank, and you will get hurt, and hurt bad.

Minions, minions, minions. Just getting your Merc to engage the Uber's them selves will be tough, but if he wanders to the minions, its just gonna get him killed. One swing at a Physical Immune Wraith or Vampire dude, i.e. no leech even with Tap, and bye bye bye. Not to mention if he gets swarmed, he will be taking alot of damage, and again, one hit that puts him into hit recovery is all it will take.

Baal's Clone, and knockback wave thingy. Knocked back Merc = Toast again, or at the very least, no tanking, which doesn't end well.

And he seemed to be complimenting you and you call him stupid, that's not quite right.

 

[Cranium]

Re: Tri Sorc Caster - Items for Ubers

I can always use the ones from furnace which dont disappear.