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Thunder assa with venom?

Discussion in 'Assassin' started by Artagas, Apr 3, 2005.

  1. Artagas

    Artagas IncGamers Member

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    Thunder assa with venom?

    Hmm...i don't see much talk about CoT-specialist on this forum, maybe it is just a bit "old", or people just hate 'em for the lightning immunes i don't know.
    anyhow, i have recently started playing one with dual claws, but i am still uncertain about her skills.
    the "conservative" way of doing it would be maxing Cot, Phoenix, CM, DC and spreading the rest among wb, bos and shadow warrior (unlike most people i like her for her controlability).
    But I also taught of sacraficing some points of CM (+1-3 criticals won't save the day, the damage bonus is not that huge and dual claws shouldn't have AR problems...) and maybe even DC and bumping them into Venom. tought it'd be a great help for boss fights and such. but i don't see this combination in any of the guides i checked (on this site or elsewhere), but maybe i was not looking hard enough so please i) point me to such guide ii) explain to me why this is not a good combination iii) encourage me to go for it (and maybe suggest and exact skill/attrib distribution for this build)
     
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    Well the reason why people usually don't use venom for pvm , is because it just doesn't cut it. Without some decent prebuffing and +skills , the dmg will be to low. Rather then to max venom , I would max FoF or BoI. FoF is a really nice PI killer. Since it converts phys dmg into fire dmg. With 3% each level. BoI is decent enough aswell , although I found FoF or more use.

    If you have some nice equipment you can even try to make a FoF / CoT / BoI sin. But this requires for you to only have 1 point in most Shadow skills , nothing in traps and max FoF / CoT / BoI / PS. This sin can be quite deadly for pvm , since nothing is immune. With 1 point in DC you have some decent phys attack aswell. Which means 4 elements. I always released with DC on this build , because DC granted me quite a nice AR boost , which normal attack didn't have.
     
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    Artagas IncGamers Member

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    yup, i use DC. having all 3 elements is overkill imho. i might consider a second one. (honestly, how many monsters have you seen with 2 elemental immunities AND phys immune? if i see one...i will just run :p ) i take your word on not wasting my points on venom than, i figure i can always raise CM instead. (I could work on DC too, but using a sequence of DCs somehow seems strangely slow to me. is it supposed to be that much slower than a normal attack? or just an illusion?)
    also a phoenix of 20 should be enough to deal with the immunes i guess.
    actually i am even a bit reluctant to get a second element...thinking that 20 hard points could get me a decent warrior (or maybe master) and some extra BoS/blocking etc. but thanks for the advice anyhow, i'll think about it.

    oh, btw. speaking of AR boost, i seem to miss a _LOT_ compared to the chanches shown on my character sheet. is something bugged? (quite annoying...the biggest thing i except from 2 claws is not having ar problems...maybe i will just restart and do a kicker martial artist, lev30 is not too late)
     
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    Well the whole principle of that char (it was one of my first 1.1 sin builds) was to have a char that could take on every part of the game. There are quite a few dual elemental immunes in the game. Some of which also have a high resist to another element. I do have to say I used CoT and FoF the most. BoI still did some nice dmg , but it was more crowd control , and for LI / FI monsters. It still killed faster then just using DC so. :D
     
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    An unsynergized Phoenix meteor in combination with some decent physical damage will take care of most LIs if you're very patient. Obviously the more points you put in FoF, the easier it'll be.

    By the way, Shadow Warrior is great for a CoT build. Make sure you get her to use Phoenix so that when she uses CoT her damage is synergized. She doesn't have to be maxed to be useful, although maxed would be nice if you've got the points.

    I also don't bother with more than 1 point in CM anymore.
     
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    Artagas IncGamers Member

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    Well, if i don't pump points into cm/dc i'll definitely have enough for the second element. actually i already put a point or two in dc, but i am certain this can't be a fatal mistake...thanks for encouraging me to use SW, i was beginning to feel stupid, because everybody uses smaster. but what do you exactly mean by "get her to use phoenix so that when she uses CoT her damage is synergized"? she has a skill developement based on what she has been using? or...there is something here i don't get. (sorry for being noobish)
     
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    Your shadow uses synergies just as you , but this works alittle different. On a shadow they need to be "activated" first. And this happens when she uses a synergie once. So in order for her to get PS as synergie for CoT , she needs to use PS first. After she used it , you can switch over to CoT or any of the other ele-charge-ups.
     
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    They're both good minions, with their own advantages and disadvantages. As for what "everybody uses," I think that even if the Shadows were exactly the same as they are now but with their positions on the skill tree reversed, that "everybody" would be using the Warrior. :D

    Lunatic explained the synergy thing already. Enjoy. :)
     

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