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Thorns aura = God-mode?

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  1. Shucandi

    Shucandi IncGamers Member

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    Thorns aura = God-mode?

    i was wondering if thorns aura work in pvp?
    it sounds to good to be true that it return 100% dmg back to mele attack in pvp?

    and if it does work in pvp? will it have any effekt on skills such as ww and smite?
     
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    Re: Thorns aura = God-mode?

    It might : But it would then return 1/6 of the damage you actually received. Not all that great :)
     
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    Re: Thorns aura = God-mode?

    Damage returned% is seriously crippled in PVP

    1/6 PVP penalty from opponent
    Any damage reduction you have
    1/10 damage return penalty
    1/6 PVP penalty (I think)
    Any damage reduction your opponent has
     
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    Re: Thorns aura = God-mode?


    well as i see it ... then on http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/skills/paladin-offense.shtml#thorns

    on arrea summit it says 1/10 dmg on pvp... so if i have a lvl 21 thorns on my bramble it will return 1050 % dmg to monsters,,, but only 150% dmg returned to players because the penalty is 1/10... so 1050 / 10 = 150 % dmg returned in pvp...

    am i right?


     
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    Re: Thorns aura = God-mode?

    edit: blah, mentioned above above.
     
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    Re: Thorns aura = God-mode?

    No, it goes through the pvp reduction a second time, as it's an attack by based on an attack of your enemy. BTW, 1/10 of 1050 is 105, not 150 :azn:.
     
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    Re: Thorns aura = God-mode?

    Nimbostratus got it right. Too many reductions makes it useless... unless you're talking about pets (which do not count as characters and thus do not get some reduction bonuses). Then it mildly works.
     
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    Re: Thorns aura = God-mode?


    ya so what if it based on the attacks from the enemy,, thats the point of this.. lol xD so if a player attacks u, and he give u 1000 dmg then it will be returned as 1050 dmg to him,, a eye for a eye...


     
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    Re: Thorns aura = God-mode?

    No it will be returned as like 1 damage:
    he does 1000 damage : 1/6 of that arrives at you.
    1000/6 bounces back: 1/6 of that arrives at your opponent
    He will receive 1000/36 damage, and this is not taking into account any dr :)
     
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    Re: Thorns aura = God-mode?

    ^ You forgot the additional 1/10 penalty.

    I don't think you're quite getting the concept Shucandi... it's gets reduced by 1/6, 1/10, 1/6, making any returned damage almost negligible.
     
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    Re: Thorns aura = God-mode?

    Assume the enemy hits you with an attack doing 5K damage. You have level 25 Thorns, which returns 1210% damage.

    -Enemy damage gets reduced to 1/6 by PVP penalty: 5000/6 = 833 damage
    -Any damage reduction on you reduces the damage taken. But let's assume you want to maximize the thorns damage and thus have no reduction. <no change>
    -Thorns return is 1210%: 833 x 13.1 = 10912 damage
    -1/10 reduction for damage returned%: 833/10 = 1091 damage
    -1/6 PVP penalty again: 182 damage
    -Any damage reduction your opponent has. Assume 50%: 91 damage

    So with a level 25 thorns, you're taking 833 damage and only returning 91. Ouch.

    (EDIT: almost forgot the thorns% the first time. Fixed.)
     
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    Re: Thorns aura = God-mode?

    does the same rule apply if your merc is attacked?
     
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    Re: Thorns aura = God-mode?

    No, and same with minions, which is why damage returns on with them. Mostly minions, because reviving mercs just for a PvP strategy is heavy $$$.
     

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