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Discussion in 'Paladin' started by DjSlayer, Jan 28, 2004.

  1. DjSlayer

    DjSlayer IncGamers Member

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    This shield compared to

    This looks like spam, but since my other thread is wasted I post another

    Sacred Rondache
    Def 152
    +2 to paladin skills
    +30% faster block rate
    +20% increased chance of blocking
    +64% Enhanced Dmg
    +120 AR
    +24 life
    +12 mana

    This shield comapred to the new unique paladin shields (and upgraded HoZ). What kind of paladin would mostly benefit from it.

    Thanx for your replies in advance

    Regards D.J.
     
  2. Loboleal

    Loboleal IncGamers Member

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    A Zealot will benefit very well from this shield, IMO.
     
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    hammerdin too. i wish i had that :(.
     
  4. One_Line_Drawing

    One_Line_Drawing Banned

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    If it had +45 all resist I'd socket that thing with a Ber in a heart beat.

    It's better then alma negra.

    except for the def.
     
  5. fonis toastes

    fonis toastes Banned

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    I'd personally rather use an upgraded Herald for any build you could think of :/

    Herald was a contender for smiters back in 1.09 in it's eq form. Now that it can be elite is just crazy. And now that zealots actually need AR, they need it too due to the +AR, stats, and skills. Though most are bm and use Exile instead.
     
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    Diminished-Soul IncGamers Member

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    I think its a decent shield you have ran across.
    Oh about the HoZ Zakarum topic...

    I have like calculated my damage:

    Alma Negra: 2716-3100 Average: 2908
    HoZ Upgrade: 2982-3026 Average: 3004

    Now I could have messed up stats with me using an HoZ Zakarum, since I don't have one I was adding up calculations by myself. If I messed up I know where I did...

    Anyways over the average damage 96 damage difference which is:
    96/6=16-(persons dr %) which doesn't add up to a whole lot...

    Anyways, I am talking just like svs duels or even V/T duels... If you have enough skill to back it up it shouldn't make much of a difference.


    Chris
     
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    PoopyPants Banned

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    Agreed. Finally someone can put this to rest permanently.

    I really wish people would get off their unhealthy pervese infatuation with upgraded HoZ. It's only on ladder and there is no indication in his post that he is on ladder, nor is there any indication of when ladder season will end.
     
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    fonis toastes Banned

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    Seeing as he brought it up, we went with it.
     
  9. Diminished-Soul

    Diminished-Soul IncGamers Member

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    Actually I was gonna post this last night...but I saved it in notepad lol because forums were down.

    Because Casey Posted once in old thread about people worshiping this shield...Yes it is great I admit.
     
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    One_Line_Drawing Banned

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    This will solve every question and discussion about upgraded herald of zak. vs. other shields.

    Upgraded Herald of Zak will be the best paladin shield- period!
     
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    It don't matter if you have no skill to go along with it...
    Which is my point for any shield...
     
  12. DjSlayer

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    The last thing I wanted was a discussion about which shield was better between Alma Negra and Upgr HoZ (especially since upgraded HoZ is not avaliable on non ladder yet). Last time i had such a shield (it was even better, 'cuz it had a stability mod on it to. But that shield was lost when 1.10 came due to a rollback incident) some1 told me that the upgraded HoZ would pwn that shield. So I wanted to know if that was the case (not a discussion if Alma Negra or Upgr HoZ).

    Regards D.J.
     
  13. ARK

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    Im not trying to compare Alma and Herald. But the reason Alma comes up is because it is so close to the rare elite shields that are floating around.

    The thing about an Upgraded Hoz are the rest of the stats. The average dmg from an upgraded HoZ to a +2 elite pally shield maybe be minimal but truthfully you dont get the rest of these stats on rares or Alma.

    +150-200% Enhanced Defense (varies) <----- Defense is nice. Alma is right there as well but a rare will not have this kind of def.
    30% Increased Chance Of Blocking <----- Rares cannot get 30% according to Arreat Summit and Alma only has 20%.
    30% Faster Block Rate <----- Available on rares or uniques.
    20% Bonus To Attack Rating <----- Alma has higher % but for smite its not needed. Rares cannot get this mod according to Arreat Summit.
    +20 To Strength <----- Not availabe on Alma. The highest str a rare can get is only 9.
    +20 To Vitality <----- Not available on Alma. Not available on rares according to Arreat Summit.
    All Resistances +50 <----- The single greatest reason for Herald.
    +2 To Paladin Skill Levels <----- Alma and Rare have this.
    +2 To Combat Skills (Paladin Only) <----- Alma and Rare dont have this.

    The only negative is the str requirement which isnt that bad. Most use Enigma anyway which has a lot of +str. -Requirements jewels with a second mod would work wonders on a Herald. Such as a -15 reqs and 30% resist lightning. Another option is an Ethereal upgraded Herald. Ehtereal items have less requirements than their non ethereal counterparts. Still have to zod however..

    There are reasons for using upgraded Herald/Alma/Rare shields and a lot of that stems from your equipment. Some may not have the str to equip a Herald. Its a matter of personal preference what you use. Some may need the resists. However with the shield being on ladder only right now, none of us can really compare until we get our hands on one.


     
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    Ok now you better sell me your shield so you can be ready for the upgraded HoZ when ladder ends. :D
     
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    For Pallys, Exile Shield is better than upgraded HoZ: 15% life tap, hit freezes enemy, nuff said.
     
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    Crap +skills, poor resist (as 45% is hard to come by on good shields), no +stats, no +AR, no increased blocking %... all of which are useful.

    the max resist mods, life regen, freeze target, mf, are all sort of useful, but only in certain occasions.. like if you're mf'ing, or if you actually have the resist to take advantage of the higher max, or if you're only pvm'ing basic monsters, or if you wait around after every battle to fully heal with +7 life regen...

    Really, exile is just passive Defiance, decent defense, auto-repair, crap +2 off skills, and bm lifetap.. (defiance is bm too in some arenas)...

    I'd rather stick with the herald and not abuse the bm lifetap.

    Unless of course you're pvm, and even then you're lacking the +stats, ar, inherent good resist, and good blocking.
     
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    And you know I looked at that last night wondering why it is you were interested in it. ehhe

     
  18. DjSlayer

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    Just got to point out that a rare shield can have the "godly" prefix (101-200% Enhanced defence), and an upgraded ethereal HoZ is ruined due to a bug.
     

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