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Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by krischan, Sep 25, 2015.
What's going on here?
This is a serious issue in Germany. Very serious!
It's only going to get worse - it's not like the cars can be "fixed" to have less emissions and keep the promised performance. Expect massive lawsuits from the people who bought the cars in addition to the massive fines from various governments. VW will be lucky to stay in business.
It's probably not just VW. For example, the Mercedes boss said that the issue isn't applicable to their diesel cars, but he couldn't make a final statement about it. That's like saying "we probably did that as well". If I said something like that about my employer in public, I would probably be fired .
I'm not sure how much money civil lawsuits could be about. They are usually about damage caused to the people who bought the cars and I don't think there's much to demand in that case. I don't know enough about that in the US, however.
Anyway, it was fraud. VW will pay dearly for that. Somebody might even go into jail.
Second-hand values of these vehicles will plummet, leaving owners out-of-pocket. Taxation of company cars in the UK will need to be revisited - this may cost employees and/or businesses.
All of this adds up to a whole lot of litigation possibilities.
Oh wow. The lawyers win. Again.
....said by no german on sept 1, 1939
I could ask my 83 years old father about it, he was 7 back then.
I imagine there was quite a lot of criticism taking place on the DII forums of German political policy, back in the 1930's.
Confess I'm a bit surprised about all the hand-wringing over VW, when the entirety of German domestic energy policy is based on open fraud.
Oh, but I forgot, VW is an EBIL FASCICCSSSS KKKORPORATION, while Germany is der Fatherla... er, "is simply the name we give to the things we choose to do together"
I see, German hypocrisy is different from American hypocrisy.
Yes. German hypocrisy is much badderer.
To be honest, I was also taking a bit of a swipe at VW having been a significant part of the Reich's war effort. How did American hypocrisy get in the mix?
America always gets in the mix because we're best at everything, especially hypocrisy.
*kegs leaps out of the Batmobile and saves the day*
I was thinking more of the obvious.
So morally spoken, it has to be acquittal on all charges? I probably get you wrong here.
It was fraud, no matter what you might think of those who bought their diesels for some environmental reasons. Fraud involving a pretty high amount of money. I think they sold 12 millions of those motors worldwide.
I just emptied my mind and wrote down the first thought I had then. Isn't that sometimes a part of your strategy as well?
In that case, the people responsible should definitely also be given moderately high level positions in the government.
Kris, not sure if you meant to address me, but Glurin got my point. Yes, VW was blatant and criminal fraud. It pales in the face of what Merkel and others have done in the past, are doing now, and will continue to do in the future. Global Warming is just one of many schemes that are far worse than fudging emissions data to try to pretend your vehicles are "better" at not causing Global Warming.
Shh! Lozzy is watching!
OK, I emptied my mind.
tfw I realize I've been doing it wrong all these years.
So we are still on-topic
So you mean that this is evidence for a conspiracy of those who believe in man-made global warming? The truth is probably closer to the theory that companies try to make money out of whatever is available... including global warming and the hypocrisy who believe that they are acting in an environment-friendly manner.
With respect to "environment-friendly" cars, it's about those who self-hypnotize themselves into believeing that their "green" 3 liter V8 is good for the environment. It's like choosing sugar-free coke for a 3000 calories fast food menu, for the illusion of being on diet.