Easier said than done in a situation where you have to find it with one specific character while having tons of other stuff on your to do list.I don't think that finding an ethereal thresher for Infinity is that big of a hassle, and is worth it to not be using a CV. Ewwwww.
Name (C) SC/HC Class Level/exp Extended Stash #of S/U Grail/504 #of deaths # of Hours
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zticazzy Perkele SC Barb 99 No - - - -
Pb_pal Eleanor SC Sorc 99 No 3068 437 5 -
NanoMist Izuna SC Sin 99 No 5109 470 4 360
PhineasB Mercy SC Sin 99 Yes - 475 11 -
Neksja Aura SC Paladin 98.50 Yes 8606 464 - -
T72on1 Neverland SC Sorc 98.25 Yes 2190+? 477 13 270?
PhineasB Hiatus SC Sorc 98.25 Yes - 457 21 -
hasuprotoss Reina SC Sorc 97 Yes 1751 384 - -
Tarantella Tarasha HC Sorc 96 Yes - - - -
Grim Furious_Blonde SC Ama 96 Yes - - - -
XyleneCyanol Fishie HC Sorc 95 No - - - -
ThomasJohnsen xInTheBuffx HC Sorc 95 Yes - - - -
darkstarhub Neptune SC Sorc 95 Yes - - - -
PhineasB Phaedrus SC Pala 94 Yes - 274 12 -
Reyz Qty SC Sorc 93 No - - - -
ffs HelpYourself SC Sorc 92 Yes - - many ?
Chaostar Prairie SC Sorc 91 Yes 659 261 12 126
OldSoldier Battleforge HC Pala 91 Yes - 236 - -
tokerdin tokeress SC Sorc 91 yes - - - -
Zenigma Ayura SC Barb 91 No - - - -
Southpaw Njord SC Druid 90 Yes - - - -
Qwernt CanbeOnlyBlizz SC Sorc 90 Yes ? - Dont want to know
MercMan Este SC Ama 90 Yes 1212 278 2 Classified
Me2Nik Fugu HC Ama 90 Yes 80
Yng Kyrie HC Druid 90 Yes - - - -
Lynchgrinch Tattersail SC Sorc 89 Yes ? 321 too many lots
LiquidClear Sally SC Assn ** Yes 225 - 1 -
liquid_mage zDadColdSorc SC Sorc ** Yes - 160 - -
Neksja Turirao SC Druid 87 Yes 191 124 5 -
Gladstone Socrates HC Druid 86 ? - - - -
Zenigma Gnosis SC Druid 86 No - - - -
Lord Molyb Cruise_Control SC Necro 86 No 115 94 19 idk
Yng Sophie SC Sorc 86 Yes - - 5 -
Naturallog Athos HC Barb 84 No 159 105 0 -
Lord Molyb Verisimilitude SC Ama 83 No 28 25 0 idk
Qwernt AmaAgainstAll SC Sorc 81 Yes - - - -
Gambit Mallenroh SC Sorc 81 Yes 0 0 0 0
Lord Molyb But_Why SC Sin 81 Never 55 51 53
Jean Avila SpeedAdict SC Ama 77 No - - - 50
logo Digimon HC Nec 76 Yes 85 65 0 -
TwentyMule Rayne SC Sorc 76 Yes 195 140 ? ?
Gripphon Ryu SC Sorc 76 Yes - - over 9k 13
Darke Rahl Bells HC Ama 74 No 19 - 0
Vildecor Celia SC Ama 59 Yes 52 43 0 -
ioupainmax Durnik SC Paladin 52 Yes 50 42 - -
Kitteh Darozzo HC Druid 45 No - - - -
TrU Henryk SC Barb 41 Yes - - 22 12
Gambit Colossus SC Pal 39 Yes 0 0 0 0
Smancer Smancer SC Necro 26 Yes 1 - - -
Ergroilnin Erilinda HC Sorc 20 No - - - -
hackedagainanda Hugo HC Barb 16 Yes - - - -
Name (F) Name (C) SC/HC Class Level/exp Extended Stash #of S/U Grail/504 #of deaths # of Hours
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coju NintyNine_orRiP HC Sorc 81 Yes - 0 0 a few
TwentyMule Valus HC Barb 76 Yes - - 1 -
Pb_pal Stevesy HC Paladin 76 Yes - - 0 -
Tenecabo OldShatterhand HC Druid 49 Yes - 0 1 -
coju fB HC Sorc 29 Yes 1 1 0 2
Kitteh Verallus HC Druid 26 No N/A N/A 0 N/A
logo Rolex HC Barb 21 Yes 0 0 0 1
Yes, I was the one that socketed a plain Eth CV. After 15-20 hours of P8 Pits and a couple of failed socket recipes, I decided to just go to Larzuk instead of going for the 50% chance of a 4 socket CV with the cube. It turned out fine in the end, since I only needed 2 more socket quests for the Shako and Andariel's.Easier said than done in a situation where you have to find it with one specific character while having tons of other stuff on your to do list.So at least three 99er runners here made Infinity in a CV, all of them fully aware of the difference faster bases make (or rather lack thereof IMO, given the purpose of this runeword). I believe @NanoMist (or someone else that finished 99, can't remember atm) even sacrificed a socket quest to make it in a CV, which is actually a huge deal when playing untwinked. That's because imo getting back to making progress is just proper prioritization over a negligible downside. Even for my untwinked chars I made it in a CV first for the lack of better base at the time (had just started using GoMule), and when I had spare runes for a second Infinity, I made it in an eth Scythe for gearing experiments instead of Thresher/GS since it still didn't seem worth it to me to improve on the Merc one.
EDIT: Just as a final note, I got curious an checked my main stash to see how many suitable eth/socketed Threshers or Giant Threshers I have collected over the last ~18 months: One eth 4os Thresher, as for 0os ones that could be rolled for sockets there are four eth Threshers and one eth Giant Thresher. That’s not a lot considering I did a lot of running in this period and with highly optimized characters, including countless cows killed in RFL.Granted however, if you really want it and look for a stable rack for these bases it’s definitely doable though. But can’t think of any more annoying and frustrating activity, took me about 4 hours to find the CV rack and even that I consider rather lucky.
@Yng don't worry noone is offendedI just wanted to explain the reasoning and emphasize that the differences are really small.
@Arranj sorry about that RIP , but of course welcome here, may the drops come! You won't regret joining it's a very fun competition.![]()
Yes i thought someone may pick up on that ^^@Arranj Cool, welcome to the fun !!! But condolences on the loss. Btw, no full rejuvs ... in HC nonetheless? Call me very surprised ...
Well, I did just that over the last couple of days for some ~15+ hours altogether. After way above average rune drops in the past, she cooled off considerably and started pretty much the first half of this stretch with a massive drought of nothing above Pul. While it was super frustrating I figured she lucked enough previously though, also I’m a proud and determined LK runnerSo what’s next? I think HelpYourself is making good progress, but is not quite ready yet to transition to pure XP grinding. She will continue running LK for now, looking for runes for (1) CtA, in order to improve on her +3 BO one, (2) CoH for herself and (3) either CoH or Fortitude for Merc.
Name (C) SC/HC Class Level/exp Extended Stash #of S/U Grail/504 #of deaths # of Hours
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zticazzy Perkele SC Barb 99 No - - - -
Pb_pal Eleanor SC Sorc 99 No 3068 437 5 -
NanoMist Izuna SC Sin 99 No 5109 470 4 360
PhineasB Mercy SC Sin 99 Yes - 475 11 -
Neksja Aura SC Paladin 98.50 Yes 8606 464 - -
T72on1 Neverland SC Sorc 98.25 Yes 2190+? 477 13 270?
PhineasB Hiatus SC Sorc 98.25 Yes - 457 21 -
hasuprotoss Reina SC Sorc 97 Yes 1751 384 - -
Tarantella Tarasha HC Sorc 96 Yes - - - -
Grim Furious_Blonde SC Ama 96 Yes - - - -
XyleneCyanol Fishie HC Sorc 95 No - - - -
ThomasJohnsen xInTheBuffx HC Sorc 95 Yes - - - -
darkstarhub Neptune SC Sorc 95 Yes - - - -
PhineasB Phaedrus SC Pala 94 Yes - 274 12 -
ffs HelpYourself SC Sorc 94 Yes - - many ?
Reyz Qty SC Sorc 93 No - - - -
Chaostar Prairie SC Sorc 91 Yes 659 261 12 126
OldSoldier Battleforge HC Pala 91 Yes - 236 - -
tokerdin tokeress SC Sorc 91 yes - - - -
Zenigma Ayura SC Barb 91 No - - - -
Southpaw Njord SC Druid 90 Yes - - - -
Qwernt CanbeOnlyBlizz SC Sorc 90 Yes ? - Dont want to know
MercMan Este SC Ama 90 Yes 1212 278 2 Classified
Me2Nik Fugu HC Ama 90 Yes 80
Yng Kyrie HC Druid 90 Yes - - - -
Lynchgrinch Tattersail SC Sorc 89 Yes ? 321 too many lots
LiquidClear Sally SC Assn ** Yes 225 - 1 -
liquid_mage zDadColdSorc SC Sorc ** Yes - 160 - -
Neksja Turirao SC Druid 87 Yes 191 124 5 -
Gladstone Socrates HC Druid 86 ? - - - -
Zenigma Gnosis SC Druid 86 No - - - -
Lord Molyb Cruise_Control SC Necro 86 No 115 94 19 idk
Yng Sophie SC Sorc 86 Yes - - 5 -
Naturallog Athos HC Barb 84 No 159 105 0 -
Lord Molyb Verisimilitude SC Ama 83 No 28 25 0 idk
Qwernt AmaAgainstAll SC Sorc 81 Yes - - - -
Gambit Mallenroh SC Sorc 81 Yes 0 0 0 0
Lord Molyb But_Why SC Sin 81 Never 55 51 53
Jean Avila SpeedAdict SC Ama 77 No - - - 50
logo Digimon HC Nec 76 Yes 85 65 0 -
TwentyMule Rayne SC Sorc 76 Yes 195 140 ? ?
Gripphon Ryu SC Sorc 76 Yes - - over 9k 13
Darke Rahl Bells HC Ama 74 No 19 - 0
Vildecor Celia SC Ama 59 Yes 52 43 0 -
ioupainmax Durnik SC Paladin 52 Yes 50 42 - -
Kitteh Darozzo HC Druid 45 No - - - -
TrU Henryk SC Barb 41 Yes - - 22 12
Gambit Colossus SC Pal 39 Yes 0 0 0 0
Smancer Smancer SC Necro 26 Yes 1 - - -
Ergroilnin Erilinda HC Sorc 20 No - - - -
hackedagainanda Hugo HC Barb 16 Yes - - - -
Name (F) Name (C) SC/HC Class Level/exp Extended Stash #of S/U Grail/504 #of deaths # of Hours
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coju NintyNine_orRiP HC Sorc 81 Yes - 0 0 a few
TwentyMule Valus HC Barb 76 Yes - - 1 -
Pb_pal Stevesy HC Paladin 76 Yes - - 0 -
Tenecabo OldShatterhand HC Druid 49 Yes - 0 1 -
coju fB HC Sorc 29 Yes 1 1 0 2
Kitteh Verallus HC Druid 26 No N/A N/A 0 N/A
logo Rolex HC Barb 21 Yes 0 0 0 1
Bottom line is WF + Faith Merc is highest damage setup and allowing 7 fpa Multi while using Razortail (and LoH without losing knockback). Also Faith only comes close to this with Pride/Might Merc and plenty damage charms. But that doesn't mean Faith setups are inferior, they have a lot of advantages (though personally I prefer the WF + Faith Merc setup, it is more stylish indeed@Trapin' Cool! Would really like to see a bowazon make 99. I thought about making one, but I couldn't really figure out where I could run with her. Have you made any thoughts?
Btw; I think making a Faith bow will be easier than finding WF, as those are very hard to come by. Faith also does more damage (they say..) But IMO is WF more stylishMaybe WF + Faith merc could be viable. Very interested in this build, good luck, sir!
Name (C) SC/HC Class Level/exp Extended Stash #of S/U Grail/504 #of deaths # of Hours
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zticazzy Perkele SC Barb 99 No - - - -
Pb_pal Eleanor SC Sorc 99 No 3068 437 5 -
NanoMist Izuna SC Sin 99 No 5109 470 4 360
PhineasB Mercy SC Sin 99 Yes - 475 11 -
Neksja Aura SC Paladin 98.50 Yes 8606 464 - -
T72on1 Neverland SC Sorc 98.25 Yes 2190+? 477 13 270?
PhineasB Hiatus SC Sorc 98.25 Yes - 457 21 -
hasuprotoss Reina SC Sorc 97 Yes 1751 384 - -
Tarantella Tarasha HC Sorc 96 Yes - - - -
Grim Furious_Blonde SC Ama 96 Yes - - - -
XyleneCyanol Fishie HC Sorc 95 No - - - -
ThomasJohnsen xInTheBuffx HC Sorc 95 Yes - - - -
darkstarhub Neptune SC Sorc 95 Yes - - - -
PhineasB Phaedrus SC Pala 94 Yes - 274 12 -
ffs HelpYourself SC Sorc 94 Yes - - many ?
Reyz Qty SC Sorc 93 No - - - -
Chaostar Prairie SC Sorc 91 Yes 659 261 12 126
OldSoldier Battleforge HC Pala 91 Yes - 236 - -
tokerdin tokeress SC Sorc 91 yes - - - -
Zenigma Ayura SC Barb 91 No - - - -
Southpaw Njord SC Druid 90 Yes - - - -
Qwernt CanbeOnlyBlizz SC Sorc 90 Yes ? - Dont want to know
MercMan Este SC Ama 90 Yes 1212 278 2 Classified
Me2Nik Fugu HC Ama 90 Yes 80
Yng Kyrie HC Druid 90 Yes - - - -
Lynchgrinch Tattersail SC Sorc 89 Yes ? 321 too many lots
LiquidClear Sally SC Assn ** Yes 225 - 1 -
liquid_mage zDadColdSorc SC Sorc ** Yes - 160 - -
Neksja Turirao SC Druid 87 Yes 191 124 5 -
Gladstone Socrates HC Druid 86 ? - - - -
Zenigma Gnosis SC Druid 86 No - - - -
Lord Molyb Cruise_Control SC Necro 86 No 115 94 19 idk
Yng Sophie SC Sorc 86 Yes - - 5 -
Naturallog Athos HC Barb 84 No 159 105 0 -
Lord Molyb Verisimilitude SC Ama 83 No 28 25 0 idk
Qwernt AmaAgainstAll SC Sorc 81 Yes - - - -
Gambit Mallenroh SC Sorc 81 Yes 0 0 0 0
Lord Molyb But_Why SC Sin 81 Never 55 51 53
Jean Avila SpeedAdict SC Ama 77 No - - - 50
logo Digimon HC Nec 76 Yes 85 65 0 -
TwentyMule Rayne SC Sorc 76 Yes 195 140 ? ?
Gripphon Ryu SC Sorc 76 Yes - - over 9k 13
Darke Rahl Bells HC Ama 74 No 19 - 0
Vildecor Celia SC Ama 59 Yes 52 43 0 -
ioupainmax Durnik SC Paladin 52 Yes 50 42 - -
TrU Henryk SC Barb 41 Yes - - 22 12
Gambit Colossus SC Pal 39 Yes 0 0 0 0
Smancer Smancer SC Necro 26 Yes 1 - - -
Ergroilnin Erilinda HC Sorc 20 No - - - -
Kitteh Kaylin SC Ama 19 Yes - - 0 -
hackedagainanda Hugo HC Barb 16 Yes - - - -
Name (F) Name (C) SC/HC Class Level/exp Extended Stash #of S/U Grail/504 #of deaths # of Hours
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coju NintyNine_orRiP HC Sorc 81 Yes - 0 0 a few
TwentyMule Valus HC Barb 76 Yes - - 1 -
Pb_pal Stevesy HC Paladin 76 Yes - - 0 -
Tenecabo OldShatterhand HC Druid 49 Yes - 0 1 -
coju fB HC Sorc 29 Yes 1 1 0 2
Kitteh Verallus HC Druid 26 No N/A N/A 0 N/A
logo Rolex HC Barb 21 Yes 0 0 0 1
Come to think of it, Faith + Reapers/Might merc could work too, as bowa will be doing +50% more damage a lot of the time. With Pride merc, he's basically just a walking aura (or two).Bottom line is WF + Faith Merc is highest damage setup and allowing 7 fpa Multi while using Razortail (and LoH without losing knockback). Also Faith only comes close to this with Pride/Might Merc and plenty damage charms. But that doesn't mean Faith setups are inferior, they have a lot of advantages (though personally I prefer the WF + Faith Merc setup, it is more stylish indeed). Overall this has always been a highly debated a very complicated issue with a lot of nuances and personal preferences.
Anyway I totally agree: Untwinked you should definitely shoot for Faith rather than counting on finding WF.![]()
IIRC it's more efficient to skip most everything besides Vizier/Infector at a certain clvl, so just Howling off everything else and C/Ting the first part of the route can help with run time a lot. Prior to that you can apply the same concept to packs, just Howl off everything and kill only the unique /champs.Come to think of it, Faith + Reapers/Might merc could work too, as bowa will be doing +50% more damage a lot of the time. With Pride merc, he's basically just a walking aura (or two).
As for P8 CS running, I think that could be tough for a bowazon. I'm testing CS with my dual Grief (+355 and +376 dmg) WW Enigma barb, and even though It's not completely impossible, It's not by any means fast. 90 sec runs on average P8 Vizier + Infector (no stopping for boss packs) runs, but that's not with all of the end game gear, though.
What is a reasonable CS P8 Viz + Infect time?