The Untwinked Level 99 Progress Thread, Revenge of the 99ers

sanguillen

Diabloii.Net Member
@sanguillen gratz on drops, they are pretty awesome!

Runes will come, 600 runs is pretty small sample, I did about 3,5k to get that enigma. Usually I bought 60 keys and kept running until I ran out of them. Then i took break and repeated it. Last two LK heavy farming days I did this up to 6 times!

All I can advise is patience. And if you wont drop anything in next 3k runs - hey, u know what? Chances of not dropping for so long are so low, that its pure luck to be that guy who just doesnt drop! :)
Thanks, mate. I'm happy about the jewel and the charm (now that I know it's worth keeping)!

As for Enigma - I made myself a promise a long time ago never to make an Enigma, even if I actually got to the point of having the runes to do it (just my personal preference). I suppose I'd have to see how strong my willpower is if I ever do get that far, but my goal in running LK is to have the runes for a Call To Arms, and then also either an Oath or a Death as a main weapon, and then set out for Diablo and Baal. To be honest these LK runs are mind-numbing to me, to the point of only being able to complete 50-100 at a time before wanting to claw my eyes out. :eek: Questing and longer runs are more appealing to me, and I'd like to get back to those once I have the aforementioned items. Though I suppose a Chains of Honor would also be nice....
 

T72on1

Diabloii.Net Member
The jewel and GC are great, congrats !!!

Search the forum for Gripphon's Trav vs LK vs Cows thread. There you can see what you can expect from LK. Sur for example is 1 in 900 runs iirc.
 

Hookipa

Diabloii.Net Member
To be honest these LK runs are mind-numbing to me, to the point of only being able to complete 50-100 at a time before wanting to claw my eyes out. :eek:
I know how you feel. I did once 200 in a row, but thats my absolute max. Mind you, that is with a good podcast to listen to and a refreshing beer :). That being said, I estimate that in about 1400 LK runs I got the runes for Hoto/ CtA and Enigma (-1x Sur). So I have been luck so far.

After leaving LK to find some good bases I have played about 3 hours so far in AT, got used to killing monsters again instead of running past by 'm. Leveled from 80 > 83 (almost 4). PLaying on player settings 3 which okayish. Player 1 setting is defintiely faster, but drops and exp is much less.

As I stated I am looking for a good Archon Plate for Enigma. Needless to say, when this dropped during my third (!) AT run I was quite pleased.

Code:
Archon Plate
Defense: 506
Durability: 37 of 60
Required Level: 63
Required Strength: 103
Fingerprint: 0x4b9ce1fd
Item Level: 85
Version: Expansion 1.10+
3 Sockets (0 used)
I know a 15ed on would reach about 600 def, but hey, what are the odds of that one dropping with 3 sockets? I checked my regular stashes if I ever picked on up a better high defense low strenght req 3 socket armors than this one and the result was 0. "Best" one in my regular stash was a 15ed 3 socket Boneweave, but yes, that strenght req makes it not meeting the low strenght criteria...

So chances of finding a better one in this untwinked session are quite low I guess. Thus in conclusion, me happy with this drop. I must have used up all my luck with this drop, because I found 0 Monarchs/ Crystal Swords/ Flails/ Scepter (able to get 5 sockets) and nothing such as a Jala's/Shako/ etc.

I did find one Pul run

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Now I will give it a go to update StormRider in the table...
 

Hookipa

Diabloii.Net Member
Failed try table updating... again. Will try later when I have more time.

The formatting (bold/ italics etc.) and text allignment seems to mess, even though I have "rich text editor" box ticked off in my profile. Anyone else have this problem or is it just clumsy me?
 

Kitteh

Diabloii.Net Member
If you go to the front page, there should be a mini-guide for the table :) I think it was ioupainmax's?
 

1have2much3time

Diabloii.Net Member
Hello all. I promised a few people I'd post this time so here we go.

I had a little vote on stream and the most popular class was the necromancer. I've not played a necromancer for 10+ years so this should be interesting. I assume I'll be going for a fishymancer to play through the game.

In the medium term I'm thinking max vitality until I find homunculous then possibly switching to max block. Also wondering if dim vision is worth taking? Seen it mentioned in a couple of guides. I've noticed ffs has a necro on the ladder so I'll have a look through those posts. Any untwinked necro advice from those with more experience is very welcome; until then I think I'll just focus on not dying.

I'll be playing with the following rule set:
Hardcore
Untwinked
Ladder runewords enabled
Extended stash enabled

The plan is to play all of this out on stream, will probably start tomorrow afternoon. If anyone is interested they can find that here (no promo).

Here is Weef, level 1 necromancer. Can he follow in Pariah's footsteps?

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PhineasB

Diabloii.Net Member
Any untwinked necro advice from those with more experience is very welcome; until then I think I'll just focus on not dying.
This will be an interesting journey for sure. Fishymancers are probably the safest build you can pick though.

My thoughts on Dim Vision is that it isn't necessary, at least until late Hell: the skeletons will be in front and absorbing ranged attacks and the piercing ones aren't too damaging until Hell gloams and some of the A5 guest monsters in Hell. By then, you will likely have run LK for Enigma and can reposition, so DV is less necessary. But I don't think those 6 skills points (or whatever it is with prereqs) will make or break either way -- it's just a few less or more to Corpse Explosion for radius.

My untwinked 99er necro quested through as a fishymancer until respecing to nova after getting Enigma. Definitely another option to consider depending on the drops along the way. In case it's helpful, here's his initial entry, at early Hell, which shows pretty basic gear from streamlined playthrough as fishymancer up until then.

Since then, he has been ridiculously fortunate though with his gear, although @ffs has shown novamancer can be powerful indeed untwinked even without top-end gear.

More generally, lots of great guidance and gear/skill ideas in Nightfish's guide: https://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Guide:Fishymancer_v1.10,_by_Nightfish

Good luck!
 

ffs

Diabloii.Net Member
IMO it's quite simple, CE is OP ;) so both Fishymancer and Novamancer work perfectly fine. All you need is Enigma, a strong Merc setup and some basic Meph gear, irrespective of which skill route you take. Though certainly @PhineasB-level RNG luck doesn't hurt. :)

I only re-spec'ed from Summoner to Novamancer at 97 when switching from Baal to Nihlathak, but definitely Novamancer is powerful even without DWeb or numerous skillers. PN probably does the best job in conjunction with CE/Merc in most scenarios, though a Baal running Fishymancer is not easy to beat until 97/98. Overall I like the route @PhineasB was/is taking, i.e. Fishymancer for the initial playthrough, then switching to Nova and run Pits until ~97 and ultimately Nihlathak. Likely his fastest route to 99 overall, considering you can save the Ancient's quest and don't have to overcome any lack of motivation when running Baal. ;)
 

T72on1

Diabloii.Net Member
I always put a point in Dim Vision. Makes things very safe if necessary. Although I must admit I don't use it much in SC. In HC ... always take it and use it !
 

PhineasB

Diabloii.Net Member
Now that I’m back from vacation, Phaedrus is back moving again, picking up .15 of the last level and is at 98.4. We started off with some caution due to the break, but quickly got back to comfortable with the approach: straight p7 runs, hitting megademon and finger mage boss packs in CS.

Playstyle is pretty straightforward and there wasn’t too much excitement (except four runs in a row with convicted Infector—one had another boss with it instead of him—that was fairly easily managed). So we’ll go straight to the drops (runes and items now numbered just for level 98-99, instead of overall since he started running CS). Chaos Sanctuary welcomed him back with open arms!

For runes (Mal+), we picked up: Gul #5, Sur #2, Vex #3, Vex #4, Ist #1, Ist #2, Ist #3, Mal #2, Ohm #1, Vex #5, and Vex #6 (last two were on consecutive runs), plus Jah #1 shortly after the Sur:
98 (Jah #1).jpg
The TC87 drops were Windforce and Stormspire, with a Stonecrusher dropping that runed out eth and a Stormlash. Other notable drops were Cerebus #2 and Wolfhowl #2, Arkaine’s #2, an eth Gladiator's Bane with >2000 defense, up to Boneshade #5 now, and a few TC3 uniques.

I think the best drop of the stretch (along with the Jah) was this skiller, with the SC also being quite nice (and certain to make its way to my Pitzerker):
Code:
Entrapping Grand Charm of Vita
Grand Charm
Required Level: 69
Fingerprint: 0x1be94ab3
Item Level: **
Version: Expansion 1.10+
Unidentified
+1 to Trap Skills (Assassin Only)
+40 to Life

Fine Small Charm of Good Luck
Small Charm
Required Level: 33
Fingerprint: 0xebca4d00
Item Level: 85
Version: Expansion 1.10+
Unidentified
+3 to Maximum Damage
+13 to Attack Rating
6% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items
For those who looked at the screenies, they illustrate what I’ve come to conclude about why hammerdins are so strong for runes to 99: it’s not the build per se, but the drops from p7 mobs when Vizier is taken out after popping the last seal. The Jah, Sur, eth Stonecrusher, and two of the Ists came from that mechanic. And that’s just in ~45M XP worth of runs, so over the course of 98 that’s a lot of extra drops, and hammerdins are generally the only build that runs CS/Diablo for the last level.

My plan is to keep this approach to 98.5. I will likely transition for while to p1 through de Seis and then p7 for Vizier and Diablo, hitting boss packs as we go. Going down to p1 for Infector and de Seis will allow him to swap SCs so he push MF instead of vita, and we’ll hope he can pick up one of my three overall remaining grailers :) It should also speed up the XP gain a bit.

Quinta also has gotten in some more Pindle runs, moving past 93.5. No meaningful drops so far, but I’ll hold off on her update until 94 though.

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Hall of Fame
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Pb_pal           Eleanor          SC     Sorc   99     3.52  2016-11-09  No   3068    437       5      -
NanoMist         Izuna            SC     Sin    99     3.52  2016-12-25  No   5109    470       4    360
PhineasB         Mercy            SC     Sin    99     3.52  2017-05-23  Yes     -    475      11      -
PhineasB         Hiatus           SC     Sorc   99     3.52  2017-12-25  Yes     -    471      21      -
ffs              HelpYourself     SC     Sorc   99     3.52  2018-04-29  Yes     -    447       -      -
Neksja           Aura             SC     Pala   99     3.52  2018-08-08  Yes     -    481       -      -
Yng              Sophie           SC     Sorc   99     3.52  2018-08-26  Yes     -      -      10   <300
Questing Heroes
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PhineasB         Phaedrus         SC     Pala   98.4   3.34  2018-10-07  Yes     -    389      13      -
Bewitch          itssoftcore      SC     Sorc   98     3.26  2018-07-02  Yes     -      -       -      -
ffs              Ric              SC     Necro  97.3   3.04  2018-08-15  Yes     -      -       -      -
darkstarhub      Neptune          SC     Sorc   97     2.96  2018-07-23  Yes     -    470       -      -
PhineasB         Pestilence       SC     Necro  96     2.84  2018-07-31  Yes     -      -       -      -
Pb_pal           Klaus            HC     Druid  96     2.72  2018-09-06  Yes     -      -       -      -
Ashenshugar      Natur            SC     Druid  96     2.71  2018-04-24  Yes  2529      -       -      -
Gynli            Amazon           SC     Ama    96     2.71  2018-06-14  Yes     -      -       -      -
RIP              Kaira_II         HC     Sin    95     2.55  2018-09-06  Yes     -    399       -      -
CrustyRusty      Space_Oddity     SC     Ama    95     2.49  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -      -       -      -
PhineasB         Quinta           SC     Ama    93     2.17  2018-09-08  Yes     -    328       2      -
Zenigma          Ayura            SC     Barb   93     2.12  2018-09-08  No      -      -       -      -
Hutton           Terrahork        HC     Barb   93     0.00  2018-09-15  Yes     -      -       -      -
Potent           Challenge(CL)    SC     Sorc   92     1.96  2018-07-30  no      -      -       -      -
Trapin'          ceegee           SC     Pala   92     1.92  2018-08-16  No      -      -       -      -
Zenigma          Gnosis           SC     Druid  91     1.79  2018-04-26  No      -      -       -      -
Neksja           Aurora           SC     Sorc   90     1.70  2018-09-08  Yes     -    215       -      -
Lord Molybdenum  Verisimilitude   SC     Ama    90     1.62  2018-06-02  No     98     77       3      -
T72on1           ShouldBeEasy     HC     Pala   90     1.62  2018-09-20  Yes    78     66      NA     55
sanguillen       GordonChen-UT    HC     Necro  89     1.49  2018-09-08  Yes     -      -       -      -
Quinneczech      Blackwell        HC     Barb   87     1.29  2018-09-12  -       -      -       0      -
Lord Molybdenum  Cruise_Control   SC     Necro  87     1.25  2018-06-02  No    128    101      22      -
Burgomaster3     Hastur           SC     Druid  86     1.14  2018-07-02  Yes     -      -       -      -
DaveW            Long_Term        SC     Sorc   84     0.97  2018-05-02  Yes Heaps      -    Lots     30+
sanguillen       DirkStruan-UT    HC     Pala   82     0.84  2018-09-25  Yes     -      -       -      -
Xul's Gull       Xul              HC     Necro  81     0.74  2018-03-26  No      -      -       -      -
Vildecor         Trina            SC     Ama    80     0.68  2018-06-07  Yes     -      -       0      -
ioupainmax       Durnik           SC     Pala   79     0.63  2018-06-28  Yes   177    111       0      -
Klonki           Dualizt_Ann      SC     Sorc   74     0.40  2018-09-29  Yes     -     37       1     15+
Bewitch          Mayhem           SC     Barb   72     0.35  2018-09-13  Yes     -      -       -      -
AlexTheNextOne   Orion            SC     Pala   58     0.00  2018-07-22  No      -      -       -      -
Burton Roberts   Arizona          SC     Ama    56     0.08  2018-06-12  No      -      -      15     38
Lord Molybdenum  Essa             SC     Sorc   55     0.08  2018-06-02  No     20     19       5      -
Pijus            AGoodBoy         HC     Druid  45     0.00  2018-05-29  Yes     -      -       -      -
kstuart          Nena             SC     Sorc   43     0.00  2018-09-09  Yes     -      -       -      -
DaveHutt         Alice            SC     Ama    13     0.00  2018-05-18  Yes     -      -       1      -
Resting Heroes
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hasuprotoss      Reina            SC     Sorc   97     2.96  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes  1751    384       -      -
Tarantella       Tarasha          HC     Sorc   96     2.72  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -      -       -      -
Grim             Furious_Blonde   SC     Ama    96     2.72  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -      -       -      -
XyleneCyanol     Fishie           HC     Sorc   95     2.49  YYYY-MM-DD  No      -      -       -      -
ThomasJohnsen    xInTheBuffx      HC     Sorc   95     2.49  2017-03-31  Yes     -      -       -      -
NamelessPenguin  Rockatansky      SC     Barb   95     2.49  2017-12-14  Yes     -      -       -      -
Dezrok           Salome           SC     Sorc   95     2.49  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes   792    318       -      -
Reyz             Qty              SC     Sorc   93     2.10  YYYY-MM-DD  No      -      -       -      -
Me2Nik           Fugu             HC     Ama    93     2.10  2018-02-05  Yes    80      -       -      -
Chaostar         Prairie          SC     Sorc   91     1.76  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes   659    261      12    126
OldSoldier       Battleforge      HC     Pala   91     1.76  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -    236       -      -
kyndig           DrearyAura       HC     Sorc   91     1.76  2018-02-20  Yes     -      -       -      -
tokerdin         tokeress         SC     Sorc   91     1.76  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -      -       -      -
Southpaw         Njord            SC     Druid  90     1.62  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -      -       -      -
Qwernt           CanbeOnlyBlizz   SC     Sorc   90     1.62  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -      -       ?      ?
MercMan          Este             SC     Ama    90     1.62  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes  1212    278       2      ?
Lynchgrinch      Tattersail       SC     Sorc   89     1.48  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -    321       ?      ?
LiquidClear      Sally            SC     Sin    **     1.36  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes   225      -       1      -
liquid_mage      zDadColdSorc     SC     Sorc   **     1.36  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -    160       -      -
Neksja           Turirao          SC     Druid  87     1.25  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes   191    124       5      -
Gladstone        Socrates         HC     Druid  86     1.15  YYYY-MM-DD  -       -      -       -      -
Smittyphi        TheLongRun       SC     Sorc   85     1.11  2018-05-28  Yes    30      -     Yes      -
hackedagainanda  Hugo             HC     Necro  85     1.05  2017-12-17  Yes     -      -       -      -
Naturallog       Athos            HC     Barb   84     0.96  YYYY-MM-DD  No    159    105       0      -
Qwernt           AmaAgainstAll    SC     Sorc   81     0.74  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -      -       -      -
Gambit           Mallenroh        SC     Sorc   81     0.74  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     0      0       0      0
Lord Molybdenum  But_Why          SC     Sin    81     0.74  YYYY-MM-DD  No     55     51      53      -
aarrgus          Acala            SC     Barb   80     0.68  2017-12-30  Yes     -      -       5      -
Jean Avila       SpeedAdict       SC     Ama    77     0.52  YYYY-MM-DD  No      -      -       -     50
logoutzero       Digimon          HC     Necro  76     0.48  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes    85     65       0      -
TwentyMuleTeam   Rayne            SC     Sorc   76     0.48  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes   195    140       -      ?
Gripphon         Ryu              SC     Sorc   76     0.48  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -      -       ?     13
Darke Rahl       Bells            HC     Ama    74     0.40  YYYY-MM-DD  No     19      -       0      -
Smittyphi        SliceNDice       SC     Sin    70     0.30  2018-03-27  Yes    15      -       6      -
Xul's Gull       Araphel          HC     Necro  60     0.12  2017-12-21  No      -      -       -      -
Sleepybear123    Rob_theBarb      HC     Barb   50     0.05  2018-01-06  Yes     -      -       -     10
TrU              Henryk           SC     Barb   41     0.02  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -      -      22     12
Gambit           Colossus         SC     Pala   39     0.02  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     0      0       0      0
Smancer          Smancer          SC     Necro  26     0.00  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     1      -       -      -
drmalawi         Liv              SC     Sorc   24     0.00  2018-05-01  Yes     -      -       0      -
RIP              Espada           HC     Necro  24     0.00  2018-06-01  Yes     -     13       -      -
BKC              FearsomeFreddie  SC     Necro  23     0.00  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -      -       -      -
Ergroilnin       Erilinda         HC     Sorc   20     0.00  YYYY-MM-DD  No      -      -       -      -

The Fallen
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Bewitch          itsreal          HC     Sorc   87     1.xx  2018-04-24  No      -      -       -      -
MizzouFTW        Pure             HC     Necro  86     1.15  2018-01-10  Yes     -      -       1      -
Vildecor         Celia            HC     Ama    84     0.99  2018-05-30  Yes   125     97       1      -
coju             NintyNine_orRiP  HC     Sorc   81     0.74  2016-04-07  Yes     -      -       1      -
RIP              Attila           HC     Barb   78     0.59  2018-09-26  Yes     -     73       -      -
TwentyMuleTeam   Valus            HC     Barb   76     0.48  2016-10-27  Yes     -      -       1      -
Pb_pal           Stevesy          HC     Pala   76     0.48  2017-06-19  Yes     -      -       1      -
weezaard         Cypher           SC     Druid  66     0.00  2018-02-21  Yes     -      -      20+     -
Tenecabo         OldShatterhand   HC     Druid  49     0.04  2016-06-16  Yes     -      0       1      -
Pijus            Pyrestarter      HC     Druid  36     0.00  2018-05-21  Yes     -      -       1      -
coju             fB               HC     Sorc   29     0.00  2016-04-09  Yes     1      1       1      2
Kitteh           Verallus         HC     Druid  26     0.00  2016-03-25  No      -      -       1      -
logoutzero       Rolex            HC     Barb   21     0.00  2016-03-26  Yes     0      0       1      1
 

Kitteh

Diabloii.Net Member
Had an NDE with Gwynt at Hell Ancients last night, it was a bit scary... I was operating on 2 hours of sleep, and was too tired to concentrate - I could tell because I yelled at Akara (who was actually Malah) for getting in my way. I decided to leave it for during the week haha
 

ffs

Diabloii.Net Member
@PhineasB Nice drops to continue running! I was wondering how much XP/h difference it makes to pop Vizier last? Because while it’s better for drops, IIRC monsters dying after Vizier don’t give any XP right?
 

1have2much3time

Diabloii.Net Member
Thanks PhineasB, ffs and T72on1 for the posts.

Necromancer had a steady start, up to level 24 today. Kind of strange play style on the necro and I'm finding the summons quite strong although any non-open battlefield is a nightmare. I absolutely did not enjoy the maggot lair... nor the arcane sanctuary.

Rather embarrassingly I seem to be slightly "stuck" on Diablo. Even with decrepify spam the minions get melted. It's either going to take a lot of trips to rebuild the army or I'm missing a trick. Anyway, Weef lives to fight another day in the witness protection programme.

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