The Untwinked Level 99 Progress Thread, Revenge of the 99ers

RIP

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Sorry, my bad...I did not thought about it, and because i have no longer access to my previous chars, i can't say which helmet my Barb mercs used...It was either Guillaumes or Andys i guess, but can't be sure...Played too many characters since, so informations are somehow mixed up in my head...My apology for that
 

ffs

Diabloii.Net Member
Happy to report that HelpYourself is moving again and just hit 98.75. :)

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While I could barely play her recently due to several reasons (last but not least the RFL), it may have been for the better: With both a renewed sense of motivation as well as "total efficiency mode" carried over from those Travincal runs for RFL, she is delivering her fastest runs so far. Her last 1 million XP (plus ~8k) took ~13m40s, despite two unbreakable LI rolls, with 3 XP shrines going through and no items picked up, but still that extrapolates to ~4.38 million XP per hour. :eek:

She's generally cut back on picking up stuff quite a bit, going only for good S&Us, GCs (still at only 2 skillers :mad:), and a few potential runeword bases for my "twinked by untwinked" sept, with SCs, gems and jewels only being picked up when landing in front of her feet. Drops from the ~24M XP since last update:

Nice addition to eth grail:
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HHG #3 (1os)
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She has a knack for nice lightning facets:
13_rbf 4-5 lightning.png

Cool CtA base for a Paladin:
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13_eth 4os monarch.png

This would have been a contender for an Ice base for the FA/Strafer in the "twinked by untwinked" sept I'm currently planning, but of course total socket number fail. ;)
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72 million to go!


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Hall of Fame
Code:
Forumite         Character        SC/HC  Class  Level  Exp   Date        E/S  S/U   Grail  Deaths  Hours
---------------  ---------------  -----  -----  -----  ----  ----------  ---  ----  -----  ------  -----
zticazzy         Perkele          SC     Barb   99     3.52  2016-07-12  No      -      -       -      -
Pb_pal           Eleanor          SC     Sorc   99     3.52  2016-11-09  No   3068    437       5      -
NanoMist         Izuna            SC     Sin    99     3.52  2016-12-25  No   5109    470       4    360
PhineasB         Mercy            SC     Sin    99     3.52  2017-05-23  Yes     -    475      11      -
PhineasB         Hiatus           SC     Sorc   99     3.52  2017-12-25  Yes     -    471      21      -
Questing Heroes
Code:
Forumite         Character        SC/HC  Class  Level  Exp   Date        E/S  S/U   Grail  Deaths  Hours
---------------  ---------------  -----  -----  -----  ----  ----------  ---  ----  -----  ------  -----
ffs              HelpYourself     SC     Sorc   98.75  3.44  2018-04-22  Yes     -      -       ?      ?
T72on1           Neverland        SC     Sorc   98.38  3.34  2018-02-05  Yes  2190    477      13    300+
Yng              Sophie           SC     Sorc   97     3.13  2018-04-17  Yes     -      -       8      -
PhineasB         Phaedrus         SC     Pala   97     2.96  2018-03-04  Yes     -    328      13      -
darkstarhub      Neptune          SC     Sorc   96     2.72  2017-12-31  Yes     -    452       -      -
Dezrok           Salome           SC     Sorc   95     2.49  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes   792    318       -      -
Gynli            Amazon           SC     Ama    95     2.49  2017-02-23  Yes     -      -       ?      -
PhineasB         Pestilence       SC     Necro  94     2.28  2018-04-15  Yes     -      -       -      -
Me2Nik           Fugu             HC     Ama    93     2.10  2018-02-05  Yes    80      -       -      -
ffs              Ric              SC     Necro  93     2.09  2018-03-16  Yes     -      -       -      -
Zenigma          Ayura            SC     Barb   92     1.92  2017-12-25  No      -      -       -      -
kyndig           DrearyAura       HC     Sorc   91     1.76  2018-02-20  Yes     -      -       -      -
RIP              Kaira_II         HC     Sin    89     1.48  2018-04-03  Yes     -    149       -      -
hackedagainanda  Hugo             HC     Necro  85     1.05  2017-12-17  Yes     -      -       -      -
Xul's Gull       Xul              HC     Necro  81     0.74  2018-03-26  No      -      -       -      -
aarrgus          Acala            SC     Barb   80     0.68  2017-12-30  Yes     -      -       5      -
Pb_pal           Klaus            HC     Druid  76     0.48  2018-02-26  Yes     -      -       -      -
ioupainmax       Durnik           SC     Pala   67     0.23  2017-12-29  Yes    87     61       0      -
Sleepybear123    Rob_theBarb      HC     Barb   50     0.05  2018-01-06  Yes     -      -       -     10
Klonki           Dualizt_Ann      SC     Sorc   24     0.01  2018-02-24  Yes     -      2       -      9
Smittyphi        TheLongRun       SC     Sorc   13     0.00  2018-04-10  Yes     0      -       0      -
Resting Heroes
Code:
Forumite         Character        SC/HC  Class  Level  Exp   Date        E/S  S/U   Grail  Deaths  Hours
---------------  ---------------  -----  -----  -----  ----  ----------  ---  ----  -----  ------  -----
Neksja           Aura             SC     Pala   98.50  3.37  2017-03-16  Yes  8606    464       -      -
hasuprotoss      Reina            SC     Sorc   97     2.96  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes  1751    384       -      -
Tarantella       Tarasha          HC     Sorc   96     2.72  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -      -       -      -
Grim             Furious_Blonde   SC     Ama    96     2.72  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -      -       -      -
XyleneCyanol     Fishie           HC     Sorc   95     2.49  YYYY-MM-DD  No      -      -       -      -
ThomasJohnsen    xInTheBuffx      HC     Sorc   95     2.49  2017-03-31  Yes     -      -       -      -
NamelessPenguin  Rockatansky      SC     Barb   95     2.49  2017-12-14  Yes     -      -       -      -
Reyz             Qty              SC     Sorc   93     2.10  YYYY-MM-DD  No      -      -       -      -
Chaostar         Prairie          SC     Sorc   91     1.76  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes   659    261      12    126
OldSoldier       Battleforge      HC     Pala   91     1.76  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -    236       -      -
tokerdin         tokeress         SC     Sorc   91     1.76  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -      -       -      -
Southpaw         Njord            SC     Druid  90     1.62  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -      -       -      -
Qwernt           CanbeOnlyBlizz   SC     Sorc   90     1.62  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -      -       ?      ?
MercMan          Este             SC     Ama    90     1.62  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes  1212    278       2      ?
Lynchgrinch      Tattersail       SC     Sorc   89     1.48  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -    321       ?      ?
LiquidClear      Sally            SC     Sin    **     1.36  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes   225      -       1      -
liquid_mage      zDadColdSorc     SC     Sorc   **     1.36  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -    160       -      -
Neksja           Turirao          SC     Druid  87     1.25  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes   191    124       5      -
Gladstone        Socrates         HC     Druid  86     1.15  YYYY-MM-DD  -       -      -       -      -
Zenigma          Gnosis           SC     Druid  86     1.15  YYYY-MM-DD  No      -      -       -      -
Lord Molybdenum  Cruise_Control   SC     Necro  86     1.15  YYYY-MM-DD  No    115     94      19      -
Naturallog       Athos            HC     Barb   84     0.96  YYYY-MM-DD  No    159    105       0      -
Lord Molybdenum  Verisimilitude   SC     Ama    83     0.**  YYYY-MM-DD  No     28     25       0      -
Qwernt           AmaAgainstAll    SC     Sorc   81     0.74  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -      -       -      -
Gambit           Mallenroh        SC     Sorc   81     0.74  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     0      0       0      0
Lord Molybdenum  But_Why          SC     Sin    81     0.74  YYYY-MM-DD  No     55     51      53      -
Jean Avila       SpeedAdict       SC     Ama    77     0.52  YYYY-MM-DD  No      -      -       -     50
logoutzero       Digimon          HC     Necro  76     0.48  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes    85     65       0      -
TwentyMuleTeam   Rayne            SC     Sorc   76     0.48  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes   195    140       -      ?
Gripphon         Ryu              SC     Sorc   76     0.48  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -      -       ?     13
Darke Rahl       Bells            HC     Ama    74     0.40  YYYY-MM-DD  No     19      -       0      -
Smittyphi        SliceNDice       SC     Sin    70     0.30  2018-03-27  Yes    15      -       6      -
Xul's Gull       Araphel          HC     Necro  60     0.12  2017-12-21  No      -      -       -      -
Vildecor         Celia            SC     Ama    59     0.11  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes    52     43       0      -
TrU              Henryk           SC     Barb   41     0.02  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -      -      22     12
Gambit           Colossus         SC     Pala   39     0.02  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     0      0       0      0
Smancer          Smancer          SC     Necro  26     0.00  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     1      -       -      -
BKC              FearsomeFreddie  SC     Necro  23     0.00  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -      -       -      -
Ergroilnin       Erilinda         HC     Sorc   20     0.00  YYYY-MM-DD  No      -      -       -      -

The Fallen
Code:
Forumite         Character        SC/HC  Class  Level  Exp   Date        E/S  S/U   Grail  Deaths  Hours
---------------  ---------------  -----  -----  -----  ----  ----------  ---  ----  -----  ------  -----
MizzouFTW        Pure             HC     Necro  86     1.15  2018-01-10  Yes     -      -       1      -
coju             NintyNine_orRiP  HC     Sorc   81     0.74  2016-04-07  Yes     -      -       1      -
TwentyMuleTeam   Valus            HC     Barb   76     0.48  2016-10-27  Yes     -      -       1      -
Pb_pal           Stevesy          HC     Pala   76     0.48  2017-06-19  Yes     -      -       1      -
weezaard         Cypher           SC     Druid  66     0.00  2018-02-21  Yes     -      -      20+     -
Tenecabo         OldShatterhand   HC     Druid  49     0.04  2016-06-16  Yes     -      0       1      -
coju             fB               HC     Sorc   29     0.00  2016-04-09  Yes     1      1       1      2
Kitteh           Verallus         HC     Druid  26     0.00  2016-03-25  No      -      -       1      -
logoutzero       Rolex            HC     Barb   21     0.00  2016-03-26  Yes     0      0       1      1
 
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PhineasB

Diabloii.Net Member
Wow, almost there @ffs :) Good luck for the last stretch. It seems that it won’t take too long. ;)

Phaedrus
is a quarter of the way to 98, with no bad excitement for the last bit. Highlight came right before 97.25:
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It was Cranium Basher, which is an overall grailer for me, leaving Earthshifter, Grandfather, Mang’s, and Tyrael’s. So grail -4 :D

Runes were Mal #5, Vex, and Ist #4. The Vex led to a second HoTo ([email protected]), which is in the stash for body recovery kit. The other two nice finds were:
CS (Lightning Skiller of Sust).jpg CS (SoJ).jpg
The SoJ is stashed because Mara’s with a 10 FCR ring is still better than 2/10 caster ammy/SoJ due to resists and +all skills for Battle Orders. Other finds meriting screen shots were Tomb Reaver (2os) and the Gnasher.

Pestilence also got a little more than an hour LK, with Ohm #2 and Um #6. The Ohm actually came from a monster, I think (you almost can see the dead body). No charm upgrades sadly. He also burned through 70 pamethysts with nothing to show for it.

He’s dabbling in p5/p7 Nihl runs in the hopes of getting a Nihl skiller to start burning through the 500 pgems he has stashed. It’s surprisingly safe with only ~2200 life, with a quick bail when amped and vipers and lots of witches around. He just slugs it out with Nihl’s CE, winning the battle due to 125 FCR with the HoTo. He hasn’t lost the merc or golem yet and has a couple pixels on the XP bar. I’m hoping lightning strikes and he gets a high rune.

Keep up the progress, everyone!

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Hall of Fame
Code:
Forumite         Character        SC/HC  Class  Level  Exp   Date        E/S  S/U   Grail  Deaths  Hours
---------------  ---------------  -----  -----  -----  ----  ----------  ---  ----  -----  ------  -----
zticazzy         Perkele          SC     Barb   99     3.52  2016-07-12  No      -      -       -      -
Pb_pal           Eleanor          SC     Sorc   99     3.52  2016-11-09  No   3068    437       5      -
NanoMist         Izuna            SC     Sin    99     3.52  2016-12-25  No   5109    470       4    360
PhineasB         Mercy            SC     Sin    99     3.52  2017-05-23  Yes     -    475      11      -
PhineasB         Hiatus           SC     Sorc   99     3.52  2017-12-25  Yes     -    471      21      -
Questing Heroes
Code:
Forumite         Character        SC/HC  Class  Level  Exp   Date        E/S  S/U   Grail  Deaths  Hours
---------------  ---------------  -----  -----  -----  ----  ----------  ---  ----  -----  ------  -----
ffs              HelpYourself     SC     Sorc   98.75  3.44  2018-04-22  Yes     -      -       ?      ?
T72on1           Neverland        SC     Sorc   98.38  3.34  2018-02-05  Yes  2190    477      13    300+
Yng              Sophie           SC     Sorc   97     3.13  2018-04-17  Yes     -      -       8      -
PhineasB         Phaedrus         SC     Pala   97.25  3.03  2018-04-22  Yes     -    341      13      -
darkstarhub      Neptune          SC     Sorc   96     2.72  2017-12-31  Yes     -    452       -      -
Dezrok           Salome           SC     Sorc   95     2.49  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes   792    318       -      -
Gynli            Amazon           SC     Ama    95     2.49  2017-02-23  Yes     -      -       ?      -
PhineasB         Pestilence       SC     Necro  94     2.28  2018-04-22  Yes     -      -       -      -
Me2Nik           Fugu             HC     Ama    93     2.10  2018-02-05  Yes    80      -       -      -
ffs              Ric              SC     Necro  93     2.09  2018-03-16  Yes     -      -       -      -
Zenigma          Ayura            SC     Barb   92     1.92  2017-12-25  No      -      -       -      -
kyndig           DrearyAura       HC     Sorc   91     1.76  2018-02-20  Yes     -      -       -      -
RIP              Kaira_II         HC     Sin    89     1.48  2018-04-03  Yes     -    149       -      -
hackedagainanda  Hugo             HC     Necro  85     1.05  2017-12-17  Yes     -      -       -      -
Xul's Gull       Xul              HC     Necro  81     0.74  2018-03-26  No      -      -       -      -
aarrgus          Acala            SC     Barb   80     0.68  2017-12-30  Yes     -      -       5      -
Pb_pal           Klaus            HC     Druid  76     0.48  2018-02-26  Yes     -      -       -      -
ioupainmax       Durnik           SC     Pala   67     0.23  2017-12-29  Yes    87     61       0      -
Sleepybear123    Rob_theBarb      HC     Barb   50     0.05  2018-01-06  Yes     -      -       -     10
Klonki           Dualizt_Ann      SC     Sorc   24     0.01  2018-02-24  Yes     -      2       -      9
Smittyphi        TheLongRun       SC     Sorc   13     0.00  2018-04-10  Yes     0      -       0      -
Resting Heroes
Code:
Forumite         Character        SC/HC  Class  Level  Exp   Date        E/S  S/U   Grail  Deaths  Hours
---------------  ---------------  -----  -----  -----  ----  ----------  ---  ----  -----  ------  -----
Neksja           Aura             SC     Pala   98.50  3.37  2017-03-16  Yes  8606    464       -      -
hasuprotoss      Reina            SC     Sorc   97     2.96  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes  1751    384       -      -
Tarantella       Tarasha          HC     Sorc   96     2.72  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -      -       -      -
Grim             Furious_Blonde   SC     Ama    96     2.72  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -      -       -      -
XyleneCyanol     Fishie           HC     Sorc   95     2.49  YYYY-MM-DD  No      -      -       -      -
ThomasJohnsen    xInTheBuffx      HC     Sorc   95     2.49  2017-03-31  Yes     -      -       -      -
NamelessPenguin  Rockatansky      SC     Barb   95     2.49  2017-12-14  Yes     -      -       -      -
Reyz             Qty              SC     Sorc   93     2.10  YYYY-MM-DD  No      -      -       -      -
Chaostar         Prairie          SC     Sorc   91     1.76  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes   659    261      12    126
OldSoldier       Battleforge      HC     Pala   91     1.76  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -    236       -      -
tokerdin         tokeress         SC     Sorc   91     1.76  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -      -       -      -
Southpaw         Njord            SC     Druid  90     1.62  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -      -       -      -
Qwernt           CanbeOnlyBlizz   SC     Sorc   90     1.62  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -      -       ?      ?
MercMan          Este             SC     Ama    90     1.62  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes  1212    278       2      ?
Lynchgrinch      Tattersail       SC     Sorc   89     1.48  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -    321       ?      ?
LiquidClear      Sally            SC     Sin    **     1.36  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes   225      -       1      -
liquid_mage      zDadColdSorc     SC     Sorc   **     1.36  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -    160       -      -
Neksja           Turirao          SC     Druid  87     1.25  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes   191    124       5      -
Gladstone        Socrates         HC     Druid  86     1.15  YYYY-MM-DD  -       -      -       -      -
Zenigma          Gnosis           SC     Druid  86     1.15  YYYY-MM-DD  No      -      -       -      -
Lord Molybdenum  Cruise_Control   SC     Necro  86     1.15  YYYY-MM-DD  No    115     94      19      -
Naturallog       Athos            HC     Barb   84     0.96  YYYY-MM-DD  No    159    105       0      -
Lord Molybdenum  Verisimilitude   SC     Ama    83     0.**  YYYY-MM-DD  No     28     25       0      -
Qwernt           AmaAgainstAll    SC     Sorc   81     0.74  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -      -       -      -
Gambit           Mallenroh        SC     Sorc   81     0.74  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     0      0       0      0
Lord Molybdenum  But_Why          SC     Sin    81     0.74  YYYY-MM-DD  No     55     51      53      -
Jean Avila       SpeedAdict       SC     Ama    77     0.52  YYYY-MM-DD  No      -      -       -     50
logoutzero       Digimon          HC     Necro  76     0.48  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes    85     65       0      -
TwentyMuleTeam   Rayne            SC     Sorc   76     0.48  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes   195    140       -      ?
Gripphon         Ryu              SC     Sorc   76     0.48  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -      -       ?     13
Darke Rahl       Bells            HC     Ama    74     0.40  YYYY-MM-DD  No     19      -       0      -
Smittyphi        SliceNDice       SC     Sin    70     0.30  2018-03-27  Yes    15      -       6      -
Xul's Gull       Araphel          HC     Necro  60     0.12  2017-12-21  No      -      -       -      -
Vildecor         Celia            SC     Ama    59     0.11  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes    52     43       0      -
TrU              Henryk           SC     Barb   41     0.02  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -      -      22     12
Gambit           Colossus         SC     Pala   39     0.02  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     0      0       0      0
Smancer          Smancer          SC     Necro  26     0.00  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     1      -       -      -
BKC              FearsomeFreddie  SC     Necro  23     0.00  YYYY-MM-DD  Yes     -      -       -      -
Ergroilnin       Erilinda         HC     Sorc   20     0.00  YYYY-MM-DD  No      -      -       -      -

The Fallen
Code:
Forumite         Character        SC/HC  Class  Level  Exp   Date        E/S  S/U   Grail  Deaths  Hours
---------------  ---------------  -----  -----  -----  ----  ----------  ---  ----  -----  ------  -----
MizzouFTW        Pure             HC     Necro  86     1.15  2018-01-10  Yes     -      -       1      -
coju             NintyNine_orRiP  HC     Sorc   81     0.74  2016-04-07  Yes     -      -       1      -
TwentyMuleTeam   Valus            HC     Barb   76     0.48  2016-10-27  Yes     -      -       1      -
Pb_pal           Stevesy          HC     Pala   76     0.48  2017-06-19  Yes     -      -       1      -
weezaard         Cypher           SC     Druid  66     0.00  2018-02-21  Yes     -      -      20+     -
Tenecabo         OldShatterhand   HC     Druid  49     0.04  2016-06-16  Yes     -      0       1      -
coju             fB               HC     Sorc   29     0.00  2016-04-09  Yes     1      1       1      2
Kitteh           Verallus         HC     Druid  26     0.00  2016-03-25  No      -      -       1      -
logoutzero       Rolex            HC     Barb   21     0.00  2016-03-26  Yes     0      0       1      1
 
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Yng

Diabloii.Net Member
Nice progress @ffs @PhineasB
I have a few days off coming up so plan to get some time in. Actually curious to see how Blizzard/Nova compares to Lightning/CL for Nihlathak. I only have 1 respec left so if I want to save the Ancients for the end then I can’t experiment with both. Unless I get a Griffon’s drop or some serious luck with +Lightning GCs (I do have some P Gems saved but I spent a good bit trying some crafts) I’m leaning towards Blizzard/Nova.
 

PhineasB

Diabloii.Net Member
@Yng - the major drawback to Blizz/Nova will be reduced drops from Nihl runs. Without Griffon's and lightning skillers, lightning build is probably less efficient, but you will generally only take down Nihl each run with the other option. Over ~12k runs, that's a lot of drops. I went with the weaker lightning option largely for that reason. Another route could be pure fire, with meteor taking out the mobs nicely.
 

Yng

Diabloii.Net Member
Not particularly worried about drops (I’d like a Ber and a Zod to finish runes and I suppose grailers from there, but I’m still a ways off having started my extended stash use with this character) so much as XP/hour and finishing 99. Definitely thinking Lightning wins out in a perfect world with -LR being easier to manage with items than Fire and no delay on Lightning like Meteor has. Blizzard is hindered by Nihlathak naturally having 37% more CR than LR/FR and like you said missing out on potential drops from CIs.
 

ffs

Diabloii.Net Member
@T72on1 You're right, I think I'm going to delete her now, there's just no point to this. :)

Nice progress as usual @PhineasB, interesting to hear about Nihl running with your Necro. Ric has rolled a really nice Pit map, so he will stay there at least for RFL round 3, but I was also planning to start comparing different targets for XP gain after that.

@Yng Yeah Griffon's makes a huge difference, both on its own and by enabling reasonable CM setups in the first place. Otherwise different Sorc builds are probably about equal for Nihl running. I'd think Blizzard is maybe slightly behind fire or lightning, but then again @Pb_pal ran Blova to great success (though IIRC she had Death's Fathom, Blizzard Ormus and NWV + skillers, so Blizzard damage was really high especially for an untwinked Blizzy).

I'd look into Lightning/CL for P1/P7 CS running also without Griffon's. Such runs were not far behind Nihlathak XP gain for me, and might be even better if experiencing that Nihl S&E delay issue. Didn't have an ideal CS/shrine map either. The difference between Hoto/Shako and Griffon/CM setups should be much smaller for CS than it is for Nihlathak. Hiatus was basically in that situation and ended up running Nihlathak though, don't know how CS compared to that for her and @PhineasB.

TLDR, I'd say you can't really go wrong with Lightning even without Griffon's. At the very least it's fine for both Nihl and P1/P7 Diablo. (Of course with e.g. 6 cold skillers and 0 lightning that's different, but generally speaking...)
 
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Pb_pal

Diabloii.Net Member
Wow, great progress to @PhineasB and @ffs ! The pace you guys can do is astounding, I love it.

@Kitteh - Welcome (back) to the fold! Looks like you sorted it already but Reapers means no Delerium, the decrep is too valuable.

@Yng - As ffs said I ran Blova with success in both CS and Nihl. It's now my favourite sorc build, so you know where my advice will lean. ;) If you haven't seen already, I'll leave a couple Nihl running videos (shrine route and non-shrine route), and you can decide if it looks like something you want to do. Gear is quite good as ffs said, so take that into consideration. Basically Blizz should be your main killer by far, with Nova as a (serviceable) backup for when he's CI. Here is a general list of what I looked for in terms of when it's worth it to complete or abort a run. Nova is by no means a fast killer, but it worked well enough for my liking as a backup.

Shrine Route:

No Shrines (99 ping):
 

Kitteh

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I'm not sure what I will do with the helmet to be honest... Possibly CoA if it drops, or VG until then. My socket quests will go on Shako, Reaper's and Stormshield, so not Andariel's.
 

RIP

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Great progress everyone ;)

Unfortunately, this cannot be said about Kairas journey, still level 89, still hunting runes for Infinity in LK...Only one highlight during last week, this stone

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Which means, that she found already 5x MAL, 4x IST, 4x VEX, 3x OHM, LO and 2 SURs...No GUL, only 2 PULs and one and only UM...strange distribution i guess, but it is what it is...Insane D2 world :D

Back to business i guess, hopefully D2 gods will smile upon me once again and give me BER rune which i really need...

GL ;)
 

Yng

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Thanks @Pb_pal I’ll take a look after work. Was considering 105/86 with Glad’s Bane and heavy emphasis on PDR for my setup. E: A little worried about damage output with so much focus on PDR. Blizzard should be fine (~5.5-6k) but Nova may not be where I want it.

Nihlathak P8 Setup
Shako (Sol)
3 Cold/PDR Amulet
HotO/Spirit Monarch (CtA/Spirit Monarch)
Glad’s Bane (Sol)
Bloodfist
Arachnid
Hotspur
FCR/FR Ring
NP
NM Act 2 Defensive
Delirium
CoH
Infinity Thresher/GT
 
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ffs

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@Yng Don't know if that much integer damage reduction is necessary honestly, that's coming from someone who died a couple of times early on when starting to run Nihl. ;) It's nice to have for sure, but gameplay tweaks can be so effective... For me the biggest turning point was starting to run with a finger already resting on Esc while teleporting to Nihlathak. Ever since adopting that from ~15% into the level, she very rarely dropped below 60-70% at all despite being rather fragile. S&E was always ready at the literal fingertip. The way I think about it is the ability to for example hit Esc after 0.1s instead of 0.3s essentially triples effective life. This singlehandedly took away most of the fear.

Then @T72on1, @PhineasB and @NanoMist all had great tips that were hugely helpful in terms of safety (e.g. holding alt while teleporting through Halls of Pain, or the mandatory side-step after landing at Nihl's platform to avoid next hit collide from clouds).

Edit: @Pb_pal's "abort list" also belongs here, it's very helpful to know what others have been afraid of. ;)

Now I really hope I didn't jinx it for me. :p
 

Yng

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@ffs with 13 PDR from Amulet (which is roughly mid roll, I have a 3/12 Cold) you’re at 58 PDR with a 20 roll on Glad’s Bane (which is what I have) and the listed setup. 58 is pretty damn effective vs Vipers but even then the more shitty situations can still run through ~2500 HP ridiculously fast. Being that I’m going to instantly abort most of those I’ll probably use CoH over Glad’s Bane but I’ll at least test both to get a feel for the difference in speed. Maybe I’m just over valuing safety but is the trade off of a little more speed worth the threat of dying at all? (Which is a matter of losing hours at the least, potentially 10+ hours if corpse recovery isn’t possible.)

Just something I’m going to need to test myself and get a feel for/tweak along the way.
 

ffs

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Nice finds @RIP! And I forgot to say @Kitteh glad to see you joining again! Will you be going HC or SC this time?

@Yng For sure you will get a feeling for it and decide what feels right for you. HelpYourself had to learn a few things the hard way, I hope Sophie won't have to. ;) Nihlathak is a special target, and everyone seems to approach him in a slightly different way. For me, after adopting the "finger on Esc" thing I felt confident that I can always hit S&E in time, resulting in more aggressive gearing and playing and thereby being more efficient in the end. Of course iDR is very useful, definitely wouldn't mind some more, just thinking sacrificing a significant amount of killing power for it might be overkill in light of other effective techniques to improve safety.

Decided to record another batch of runs with HelpYourself because why not. Of course, exactly zero XP shrines on kill in this session, despite having two shrines directly en route.. "below average" indeed. ;) But hey, still at a decent ~4.2m/h. :p

 

Kitteh

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Hardcore only my friend, so we shall see how long an entry it is :p It would be nice to get at least one hardcore character in the HoF!
 
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Ashenshugar

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The wind druid is pretty safe, I can't imagine many being safer and certainly not by much. If you decide to level him without refunding the skills it can quite boring until you start actually getting the skills you will use. Having said that I have died a couple of times, but I can be very sloppy. I like Jalal's over Shako, but the difference is slight. if the Shako had a set +life/mana I would probably use it instead.

Speaking of wind druids Natur got to level 96 after I took a sizable break from levelling. Now the ancients are dead and I plan to start running the throne of destruction.


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