The results of Israeli assassinations

[IDupedInMyPants]

It's well known that their vows of revenge always culminate in attacks on innocent civilians. They're no better than the ones they say are oppressing them.

Ok, let's wait and see how many times Hamas attacks the US. Let's get serious here, you're talking about guys who vow to pick the nation of Israel up and toss it into the Mediterranean.

Israeli intelligence has penetrated to the deepest levels of Hamas and other organizations.

I don't see how that's supportable. If it were like that they could be diverting funds, foiling every suicide bombing, and killing every mid-level and up decision maker in their sleep.

 

[jmervyn]

I don't see how that's supportable. If it were like that they could be diverting funds, foiling every suicide bombing, and killing every mid-level and up decision maker in their sleep.

Your statement is extraordinarily foolish (and perhaps contradictory to something you stated earlier, though I don't have time to reread these threads), but I suppose I should have expected that.

When you penetrate an organization, you don't display the mole. You use the mole to disclose enemy activity, then use means that don't betray his or her existence to carry out the actions. Infiltration isn't the same as co-option and puppet rulership.

 

[IDupedInMyPants]

Your statement is extraordinarily foolish (and perhaps contradictory to something you stated earlier, though I don't have time to reread these threads), but I suppose I should have expected that.

When you penetrate an organization, you don't display the mole. You use the mole to disclose enemy activity, then use means that don't betray his or her existence to carry out the actions. Infiltration isn't the same as co-option and puppet rulership.

Having a mole or two isn't penetration to the deepest levels either, it's guessing which member you can safely offer to buy and buying him.

And you really can't tag them in the nuts too many times before they figure out they have a mole in their midst, which they have done. Now with the shift in tactics it's only a matter of time until he gets dug out if the strikes keep up.

This isn't deep penetration no matter how you slice it. If it were there would be advanced knowledge of planned attacks rather than once a month figuring out where a leader is going to be for the next half hour. Israeli intelligence might be good, but as far as deep penetration of Hamas, there's absolutely nothing to suggest they even might have it.

 

[jmervyn]

This isn't deep penetration no matter how you slice it. If it were there would be advanced knowledge of planned attacks rather than once a month figuring out where a leader is going to be for the next half hour. Israeli intelligence might be good, but as far as deep penetration of Hamas, there's absolutely nothing to suggest they even might have it.

I don't think either of us has enough firsthand information to really assess the level of penetration. If you have Yassim's butler working because of ideology, then that does constitute deep penetration. However, if you have a bagman for casualty #2 who snitches on reciept of payment, then that doesn't constitute deep penetration. Also in question is the ability of the snitch to disclose timely information.

I suspect the penetration is deeper than the public would suspect. Was it Hamas who had the cell phone bomb number pulled on them? That requires a decent level of pentetration in the group.

This discussion is sounding too much like a Penthouse Forum article. Lets use different terms.

 

[Module88]

Why wouldn't you want revenge on someone who openly supports what someone is doing to oppress you?

You may or may not know this, but most of the Palestinian terrorists and others who attack allies of Israel (such as the US) are simply mad at Israel, for the MOST part, because it exists in the first place. A Jewish state in the Middle Eastern, and mostly Islamic, world. Yes, there were incidents like the Gaza Strip, but the primary reason now is because the Arab League does not want Israel to exist. So because we support Israel and accept its existence, we are targets instead of Israel? Why hasn't Osama promised an attack on European countries? He offered a TRUCE. Did he offer a truce to the United States? No. Is Britain our ally? Yes. So why did he offer them a truce? It just doesn't make sense from a logical standpoint.

 

[swami]

It just doesn't make sense from a logical standpoint.

It makes a great deal of sense after what happened in Spain. Although a foolhardy gesture, it reeks of trying to sway public opinion in european countries against prolonged enagement in the middle east i.e. Iraq.

 

[Module88]

It makes a great deal of sense after what happened in Spain. Although a foolhardy gesture, it reeks of trying to sway public opinion in european countries against prolonged enagement in the middle east i.e. Iraq.

Declaring an attack on one particular ally of your enemy and not declaring attacks on the rest of your enemies allies makes no sense at all. He bombed Spain and then asked for a truce. Yeah... Anyone who can use his/her brain can figure out that pulling out means he wins, and will encourage more attacks. What the new president of Spain did was foolhardy. All it did was endanger other European countries. Spain's president seems more ignorant than Bush does.

Osama: Ok, let's try to scare other European countries. Bomb Spain!
Spanish President: Ok ok I surrender! We'll pull out!
Osama: Gee, I can't believe it worked! Now what will France do if we bomb them...

To be continued.

 

[swami]

Declaring an attack on one particular ally of your enemy and not declaring attacks on the rest of your enemies allies makes no sense at all. He bombed Spain and then asked for a truce. Yeah... Anyone who can use his/her brain can figure out that pulling out means he wins, and will encourage more attacks. What the new president of Spain did was foolhardy. All it did was endanger other European countries. Spain's president seems more ignorant than Bush does.

Osama: Ok, let's try to scare other European countries. Bomb Spain!
Spanish President: Ok ok I surrender! We'll pull out!
Osama: Gee, I can't believe it worked! Now what will France do if we bomb them...

To be continued.

erm.. not quite.. your post is like the answer you get from a 5-year old when you ask them where babies come from:drool: !