The PvP Thread

bassano

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bassano RS1, UTC + 1

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[B]Name              Class           Build           Rule Set
[/B]White_Shade       Necromancer     Bone            IR1
Fluor             Necromancer     Poison          IR1
Ambin             Paladin         smite           IR1
Wind_Spirit       Druid           Windy           IR1
Celia             Assassin        Trap            IR1
Shadow_Master     Assassin        Ghost           IR1

OK I added my characters I actually had in my mind and I am playing with them more often
If I will remember some naother char, I will add him
 

darknessproz

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Well, i'm in the process of making a LLD character, when i'm done with it, probably next week, hopefully i'll have someone to fight against.
 

nulio

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PvPers list updated :)

I removed the Item Restriction thingy. Nobody asked so far to play in IR2 (not that we dueled much ^^) and so far most or all of us is IR1 anyway.


Hmm and I guess I should install D2 after formatting the computer.
 

nulio

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I should be able to join around this week (exception for Friday).

Up for HLD :)
 

horseheadnebula

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finally some action :) i can play 4th and 5th evenings of this week, probably weekend too. though zemaj we have quite different time zone so don´t know am i able to join your game after all. but would be nice to try. since i am first timer my goal is staying alive more than 10seconds :D

but how this happen technically? if its matter i play on mac and behind university firewall.
 

frozzzen

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In 3 - 4 hours would be ideal time for me to have game. Dunno if it's too early or too late or whatever...
Other days I hope I'll have more time...
 

horseheadnebula

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tried pvp and eventhough didn't allways stayed alive longer than 10seconds it was still fun. first i had full vita, no block blizzard sorceress but it was very fragile so i respeced to es, no block blizz sorc and it felt it was better than vita route. though my gear was same than with vita build. becouse i haven't ever tried es before i read forum to learn it but i'm still quite confuse. so could you give me gear advice to build nice pvp blizz sorc. there isn't es blizz pvp guide becouse everyone keep saying that for blizzard build es is no good. or are they simply right?

and while i read forum did i undrestood right that you don't need resist with es build except poison resist? integer damage reduction would be nice for pvm but in pvp damage is so big that pdr/mdr is irrelevant? faster hit recovery isn't needed becouse damage you take goes to mana?

gear what i had / and need to replace with?:
-nightwings veil 10csd 'str, dex jewel in it' total 27 dex
-death's fathom 19csd 'ist'
-spirit / whitstans or storshield for max block?
-switch: beta cta 12bo and spirit / replace with liddless if using whitstans
-blizzard ormus's robe 10csd 'shael'
-2 bk ring / 2 sojs instead
-mara's 30 res / crafted sorc amulet?
-trang gloves / magefist or frostburn instead
-arachnid mesh
-triple resit boots / silkweave for added mana or sandstorm for poison resist
-charms: 8 skiller (don't have more), 2 resist gc, 3 fhr/ resist sc for 86fhr, 7 resist/life sc.
for charms just use mana charms instead?

in stash i had memory staff +9 es and chilling armor staff for prepuff. or is this waste of time?

if it is better to go max block how do i got atleast 63fcr? 60 from fathom, ormus and arach. last points from crafted +2sorc amu or magefist?

from skill points is max cold mastery overkill? do you tend to overstack cold resist? and is there any use for static field?

and finally tactic question. i was particular impressed by assasin in the moor (was it frozzen's sin?). anyway it has mighty stun. and when stunned i wasn't able to do anything and death was certain. so is there some way to escape it? read that weapon switch might help. correct? or that assasin player was just so good against newbie that there is not much to do.

lots of questions but any help appreciate.
 
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nulio

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105 fcr is a must do. You need to teleport at least that fast.

ES is "stronger/easier" because you don't need to worry as much of resists, memory is a must. Block will have more skills in synergies and blizzard will be stronger, also means less pre-buffing. You can also go for max block and then use memory for low ES.

If going for max block keep in mind block rate.

Against trappers or sin hybrids you have to be fast in teleporting and try to avoid the traps by being offensive (trying to give less time and opportunity to cast traps) and/or reading the traps fields (where sin would they lay all the traps). They will always be dangerous because of sorc's low FHR and cause of venomWW (ES build) and lite traps (block build mostly but ES can't take many traps). Try to counter it with well timed and aimed Blizzards and advantage in FCR/tele.

About CM. In a vs duel, opponent can opt for heavy cold res stacking. In a FFA (like those we played) that will be rarer.

My build is still something like this.
 

frozzzen

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Meh, something eat my big post :(

TL;DR

Lvl 94 sorc (I think that was your level, I might be mistaken tho)

18 ES 20 TK (total 42 lite skills with prerequisite skills)
1 Warmth
20 Blizzard and Ice Blast, 10 Glacial Spike and Cold Mastery (total 62)

Helm: Nightwing (+5% facet) (aim for low dex and high %csd)
Ammy: 2 sorc/cold skills/10 fcr/stuff - mana, life, str, PR, PLR; any of those would help, especially mana
Weapon: Death Fathom (+5% facet)
Armor: Blizzard Ormus (+5% facet)
Shield: Spirit Monarch (aim for high mana as well, it means a lot with this gear setup)
Gloves: Frostburn - 40% to mana is impossible to ignore
Rings: 2 x SoJ - skills + 50% mana combined; it will make your mana pool high with beta CtA + all mana items
Belt: Arach
Boots: Sandstorm Treks - stats won't make or break character, but aim for high str and more importantly high PR

Prebuff gear:
+9 Memory staff
+3 ES ormus
+3 lite amulet
+3 lite circlet
+4 skill from SoJ, SoJ, Arach, Battle Cry
+18 hard points
_________
lvl 40 ES

10 x chilling CG (someone in moor can easily provide you two of those)
3 x fhr/mana SC for 86 breakpoint
7 x life/mana SC (if you don't have nice ones, 17 to mana plains are good as well)

With this setup you get anywhere from 7.5k - 9k Blizzard dmg depending on quality of your +%CSD dmg items, 105fcr/86fhr, 95% dmg reduction with ES with about 3500 manapool or higher + high mana regeneration (120 mana/sec?) so you can take multiple hits with ease.
10/10 split between GS and Mastery is based on my characters and their cold resists. I believe that's optimal number to take down most characters. Some paladins might reduce your dmg a bit with stack, but I think this should be desired split for taking down majority of duelers out there.

Problem you will have is low life. Even if ES takes away 95% of your dmg you will have about 500 life or so (you can try and play with some fcr gear - swap SoJ for 10fcr/120 mana ring and swap your amulet for something like 3 cold/100 life amulet to get more life, but you will always have problems with poison based enemies. Rabies will instakill you, poison nova will instakill you and assassin WW will most likely kill you as well, or leave you on one life when open wounds kick in. Even set of nice +life chilling charms probably wouldn't help with this.
On non poison based characters you will see in time how much life do you actually want. If you die with full mana often then you might consider placing some points into vitality, but ES sorc should have all points dumped into energy.

Buffing ES is normal practice these days for ES sorc so no one will complain if you do so, especially if you are newcomer, and it will save you some skill points so you will be able to have higher dmg.

Hope this helps..
 
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horseheadnebula

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thanks a lot of nulio and frozzen, your hints were really helpful! blizzard damage rose from 5,2k to 7,2k and mana pool from 2,5k to 4k :) i made build what frozzen suggested. only exception that becouse my ormus, nightwings and fathom's rolls are low end i didn't dare to faceted them. instead i might put shaels into ormus and nightwings and use some fhr/mana or fhr/poison resist charms to aim 142 fhr build. when i got better rolls i'll facet those. also need to use my 1800 pgems. hopefully i roll some chiling charms also.

now when i got basic idea of cold es sorc i could respec some other sorc and try orb variant. and at some point winddruid also. by the way how often you pvp? any change that someone of you could play next week in middle of the week?
 

omgwtfbbqpwned

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Free bump.

Trade profile:
http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?769116-Trade-Profile-omgwtfbbqpwned&highlight=omgwtfbbqpwned

omgwtfbbqpwned, RS1/2, UTC-6

- AyaBrea - Amazon - Bowazon - 1.13d
- SexyHentaiTime - Amazon - Sidewinder - 1.13d
- Soft-Pillows - Amazon - PJ/GA Telezon - 1.13d
- AikaSumeragi - Assassin - Bowsin - 1.13d
- Kika - Assassin - Ghost - 1.13d
- LinaInverse - Assassin - Bombardier - 1.13d
- DoraTheExplorer - Barbarian - Telezerker - 1.13d
- Eikichi_Onizuka - Barbarian - Wolfbarb - 1.13d
- No-ExQQuses - Barbarian - BvA - 1.13d
- Pedobear - Druid - HLD Melee Mauler - 1.13d
- StickySplooge - Druid - Fury/Rabies - 1.13d
- YourMom - Druid - Shaman - 1.13d
- Boner_Boobies - Necromancer - Bonemancer - 1.13d
- HerpDerp_Herman - Necromancer - Lindwurm - 1.13d
- Rectal_Redeemer - Necromancer - Novamancer - 1.13d
- AnusOfJustice - Paladin - Telesmiter - 1.13d
- CAPTAINCAPLOCKS - Paladin - Charger - 1.13d
- WutWutInTheButt - Paladin - Templar/Mage - 1.13d
- Firecracker - Sorceress - Dual Dream Bearsorc - 1.13d
- Pwncone - Sorceress - FO/ES - 1.13d
- Pwnyta - Sorceress - Hydra/ES - 1.13d

24 of them are level 96, 2 of them are level 97, and 1 of them is level 99. :whistling:
 

nulio

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Hmm squid attack!

Updated first post with omgnub's chars and added some links.
 

nulio

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It's not probably the right place but I wanted to ask:

Is there players out there you would like to try PvPing but think they don't have enough gear? Let us know because we can try organizing some PvP give-aways to help you start dueling!
 

Gripphon

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Don't have trade profile yet.

RS1, UTC +1

HLD:
Vegeta - Barbarian - BvC
Alnilam - Necromancer - Poisonmancer

LLD lvl 30:
Hercules - Barbarian - WW
Azura - Assassin - Kicker
Seth - Druid - Fury
Celeste - Sorceress - Blizzard
Agrona - Amazon - Bowazon
Shamash - Druid - Fissure

All 1.13d
 

nulio

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Nagisa, you must join us more often :p

(I'll add your characters later)
 

Gripphon

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Time to update my characters, I always forget about this.

HLD:

Vegeta - Barbarian - BvC
Grishknakh - Barbarian - Berserker
Shaella - Sorceress - Blizzard
Xylene - Sorceress - Fireball
Alnilam - Necromancer - Poisonmancer
Odiseuss - Druid - Windy
Sinn - Assassin - Ghost
Thaisa - Amazon - Bowazon

LLD:

Hercules - Barbarian - WW
Azura - Assassin - Ghost (Thought it's kicker, but I see people call that build as Ghost)
Agrona - Amazon - Bowazon
Celeste - Sorceress - Blizzard
Seth - Druid - Fury
Shamash - Druid - Windy (he was Fissure before)
 

Gripphon

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EDITED - I edit this post for those who are lazy to read all, so next to each build I put tier and you can read if you are interested in explanation.

So we started discussion about tiers in pvp and I hope we can continue it here.
I heard for different opinions about different builds and different values about them. Let me start about how I see some builds and hopefully tell something about so called "tiers".

Amazon:

Bowazon (or to be precise bow-fury hybrid) - Tier 3, can be very powerful
You definitely need skill to play this thing correctly. She is so called glass cannon, having huge damage output and low hp relying mostly on fast movement and D/A/E backup skills. I value this thing as something rather strong, only if you play her correctly. She is able to deal with nearly anything, but it's rather hard to find something she is really strong against, while finding her weak spots is easy. Definitely not top tier build. With godly equipment she can be stronger than some tier 2 builds, but I'll put her as tier 3 build overall.

Don't have experience about other amazon builds so I'll leave them out of this for now and let others tell something about them.

Assassin:

Trapper - Tier 1
from what I saw, this thing is among strongest builds for pvp, especially ffa. She is never easy to deal with, have imba stuns, huge range autoaiming traps, has shadow master minion, fade etc etc. Only reliable way to deal with her is to overabsorb her damage I won't consider as legal method of countering something (while absorbing in "normal" amounts is). For my surprise people don't value this build as high as I do, or they usually don't consider her that powerful. Well from all opponents I faced, she was never an easy match. In fact, I'm impressed how balanced she is, having answer to nearly everything and it's hard to exploit her weak spots. For me, definitely top tier pvp build, so tier 1. Still not sure at what place to put her in overall pvp ranking, but top 3 definitely.

Ghost - Tier 3
fun to play, insanely strong against some builds, rather weak against others. She is one of most skill intensive builds to play effectively. Just because she is very strong against some characters I would put her as tier 3 build since against some builds her might falls quickly. Definitely not among stronger builds out there, but that depends on what build do you use because despite her weak spots, she can easily be your mortal enemy.

Kicksin - Tier 4
she can have quite large damage output, dangerous as one target killer, but lacks mobility attack as whirlwind. I'm not sure how strong she really is, so I'm not sure what tier to put her. She looks a little weaker than Ghost in my opinion, that puts her as tier 4. Strong against certain builds, but very weak against others.

Other forms of assassin - I'm not familiar with, never saw them. Someone mentioned bowsin, I have no idea what is she like.

Necromancer:

Bone necro - Tier 1
there are two forms, vita and block necro. Don't know who to value more, but vita necro can deal with everything block necro can plus he is stronger against casters, however block necro has much easier time against popular BvCs or bowazons, definitely ghosts. Huge magic damage that is impossible to absorb and nearly impossible to reduce, spirits that follow target around and stun like mad if they hit... oh yes, did I mention his insane range he is known for? All that makes him godly pvp build, but what makes him top tier and probably top 2 pvp character overall is that he practically has no weak spots. Bone necro has answer to everything that comes his way. Only thing I saw that can deal with him relatively successfully is Windy. Most of times he wins ffa matches just like trapper does, and he is definitely challenging to face in 1v1. Tier 1 build, and I would probably vote for him as strongest pvp build of all if we would have that kind of voting. Unless someone convince me that I'm wrong.

Poison necro - Tier 3, can be stronger than that
I like this thing, most people hate it cause of Lower Resist screwing their resists upside down. Still not sure how to value this build, I rarely saw anything beside my own necro cause they are rather rare in pvp scene. Again there are 2 builds for this one, block and vita. Block is obvious way to go with him, but personally I like vita better and consider him stronger than block variant. Sure, block variant is insanely strong against BvC (in fact, I could toy with them despite the fact I find in some barb guides saying that poison necro should be a joke to deal with. I saw the opposite) and will have much easier time against bowazon. Vita necro is still strong to deal with BvC, but will have hard time with bowazon. Most other things vita is better against, at least I see it that way. I would put him as tier 3 because it's nearly impossible to stack him and poison resistance is often overlooked since rare characters use that type of damage. Plus his damage is very strong with Death's Web. Tier 3 because he requires skill to play effectively and Poison Novas are not easy to drop on opponent unless he comes to you. But once you drop Nova, it WILL hurt no matter who you fighting. Not bad build after all. Despite I put him tier 3, he is potentially very dangerous.

Summoner necro - Tier 5
leave this thing to PvM. I won't comment his pvp usefulness since I have no clue about it, but it surely looks like a joke to deal with. :p

Barbarian:

BvC - Tier 2, in some cases tier 1
Most popular barb build, definitely. Very skill intensive to play effectively, it's much easier to suck with barb than to play it well. This is my favorite class overall and my favorite pvp build overall, spent most time playing him and against nearly everything out there. Where to start. Since eth bugging is allowed, barbs damage output is just insane, and is impossible to absorb, just to reduce. 4 frame attack can easily lock opponent on a short time. Tons of life, tons of resists. This thing is definitely powerful pvp killing machine. However I saw people disagree about how strong he really is. BvCs main problem are blocking opponents. Block cripples his damage greatly, so anything with block can deal with BvC. Even some vita opponents can deal with BvC, namely vita bone necro or vita poison necro. Probably vita Windy stand a chance cause of summons? But lets see blocking opponents. Block bone necro and poison necro sometimes laugh at BvC, block Windy has advantage over BvC IMO from my experience or are 50/50 at best, paladins have advantage over BvC no matter what build, I faced blocking ES sorc and she was nearly impossible to kill but no one use them anyway. Overall, BvCs are feared with reason, but they are just not invincible and have weak spots, but good thing is they can deal with everything on one way or another. Not entirely sure where to put barb, I have reasons to put him into tier 1 cause he is strong, but also tier 2 cause of his flaws. One thing is for sure, if you play BvC like a pro, he will be tier 1 and one of strongest characters, and if not, then tier 2 just because he is very skill intensive. I met excellent BvC players, but none of them convinced me that he is tier 1 material. My final decision is to put him in tier 2. But I know some people consider him top 3 pvp build and someone might be surprised how can I put BvC as tier 2. Give your reasons ofc, I gave mine :p

Singer - Tier 5
Not sure about this thing, but he surely look like a joke rather than a challenge. High survivability, but weak attack that relies on locking opponent. I would put him at lowest tier, tier 5, but waiting to read others opinions about him and if someone actually saw this thing in action. Actually someone did and he told me this thing sucks big time.

Wolfbarb - Tier 5
No teleport, huge life, good survivability, it's hard to deal with teleporting characters and extremely hard against teleporting characters with range attacks. He waits for opponent to make mistake. Actually rather several mistakes. Tier 5.

BvA - Tier 2
I consider BvC to be better build overall, this is more specific. Tier 2 as BvC.

Sorceress:

There are two kind of sorceress, ES and non-ES. It seems to me like no one even bothers to make non-ES sorc. They are right, you must have really strong equipment to raise her survivability to higher levels. But every non-ES build has it's advantages, namely damage output which can be much higher than in ES case, but with much lower survivability.

Blizzard - Tier 2
Very hard to stack resistances for her, and she can 1 hit kill some characters. ES build can have like 8500 damage, that is enough to 1 hit kill 2833 HP target. Very strong indeed, but she can't 1 hit kill many many things and there is large difference between 1 hit kill and 2 hit kill. Her survivability is great as ES sorc, ofc. Non-ES blizzard sorc can easily have up to 14000 damage, that is enough to 1 hit kill anything with less than 4650 life. Now this is real 1 hit killer out there. Problem is her survivability that is much worse than in ES case, but can still be good enough to deal with everything, especially if we consider the amount of targets she can easily 1 shot. Both sorcs I would put as tier 2. Very strong, very annoying, but you need to land that blizzard which is not easy to do.

Fireball - Tier 1/Tier 2
200 fcr fireball ES sorc, now that is beast to deal with. She is very strong and sometimes very hard to kill. In ffa she is among strongest builds out there cause of her insane range she has. In 1v1 she is not that strong as in ffa, but still strong enough. Again, ES and non-ES variants. Unlike blizzard sorc, this one non-ES build can have great survivability. Mine has 3700 HP with below average lifer skillers, 4300 if we consider oak I summon, and huge around 900 pvp damage fireball which ES build cannot have. Problem is that her damage is so strong people usually tend to absorb her cause she is too strong otherwise. What tier? I would put her in Tier 1 cause of her ffa power, but only if you don't absorb her that is which is, luckily for her, harder to do for ffa. With any kind of absorb her power diminishes quickly (basically, with any character I can put absorb ring on I can tank her like mad), and I'm not talking about overabsorbing. 1v1 tier is 2 for her for that reason, so overall between tiers 1-2 depending on gametype we are playing.

Lightning - Tier 2 (?)
Don't have much experience here, I played maybe few times against her. Again, ES and non-ES builds, non-ES can have huge damage, ES has survivabiliy etc etc. Really don't know to compare her to blizzard sorc, obviously she is not tier 1 build, perhaps tier 2 then. Maybe. Well some of you have her so write something about how strong she is. Like fireball sorc, she looks strong for ffa and weaker for 1v1.

Frozen Orb - Tier 3
I never considered those sorcs strong, rather annoying. It's hard to avoid her damage fragments, but good thing is her damage is rather low compared to blizzard friend. Like in blizzard case, it's hard to stack enough resistances, but unlike blizzard, this thing cant 1 hit kill and you can easily deal with her with anything that can use ravenfrosts. Again, in ffa she looks ok, in 1v1 she looks rather weak. Overall, I would put her in tier 3.

Druid:

Wind - Tier 1
Tornados are just crazy. Huge damage, even better they are physical type, stuns like mad. This thing is among strongest builds in both ffa and 1v1. He can kill you in a second if you don't watch it, his HP is huge cause of oak, minion stack makes this thing hard to hit for many builds, cyclone armor for additional protection. He is very strong against nearly anything and weak against maybe few builds, not sure who else except Trapper can easily deal with him. Windy players, have your word here. Obviously, I put him in tier 1.

Rabies - Tier 4, Tier 3 with godly equipment
There was discussion here. Well, he is walking without teleport, crazy survivability and 1 hit kill attack. Well I don't know do you actually need excellent equipment to have 1 hit kill attack against 90% builds or is it easily achievable. Frozen, you have a word here. He is obvious underdog in many matches, simply waiting for opponent to make mistake. You must deal with him patiently or you will fail. I thought of it as tier 5, but that 1 hit kill attack is very powerful if you manage to drop it. So tier 4. Obviously, sick equipment can make this thing tankish as mountain and really annoying to deal with cause he simply won't die. Sick equipment means this could potentialy be tier 3, but really, no better than that. He is still walking dog that has to attack on melee and he has hard time to infect someone with rabies. Melee builds have to come close and will get infected, but main goal for druid is to survive then, and there is good chance he will be left with low HP after that battle ends which makes him easy target for anyone else in ffa.

Fissure - Tier 4
Hmmm no, just no. He is not any good. Okay, he can be potentially dangerous, but usualy his damage is not high enough to be serious threat on the field. He comes with grizzly in package, that can be good combo if pulled correctly. Problem is fissure is nowhere strong as blizzard and teleporting characters take very low damage from it. Tier 4 at best.

Fury druid/mauler etc. - Tier 5
Walking animals that have hard time to land hit on opponent and they have to hit probably more than once. Tier 5 all of them.

Shockwave/summoner
- don't know
I saw guide for this thing, but he doesn't seem strong to me. Don't know what to say about him so I'll skip this one.

Paladin:

I would rather skip this class cause my knowledge about them is limited. But ok, lets see what do we have here.

Hammerdin - Tier 2
Who plays pure hammerdins? Huge damage hammers that are impossible to absorb, every hammer will hurt, but it's not easy to lead someone into hammer field. What can hammerdin actually do except charging/teleporting around setting up hammer field around target and hope that someone get hit? Not much. Tier 2 I would say, hammers still hurt.

Mage - Tier 2
More dangerous than pure hammerdin, and annoying too. Hammers are strong, foh can hurt... Like any pala around there, max block, max resists, perhaps 5k life... Tier 2.

Smiter - Not sure, Tier 2/3, probably 3 (?)
Not sure, really. Never dueled one that has Enigma. Saw on videos they can pack quite a punch, but not much more than that. Don't know what tier to put him.

Liberator - Tier 2, can be very strong
From what I see, this is hardest build to master, most skill intensive of all. Has change, hammers, can pack good smite. I never ever saw good liberator, people usualy suck with them. Look like to me they can deal with anything out there, they are definitely strong, but very skill intensive to play properly. Perhaps some godly liberator player can fit into tier 1 among strongest builds out there, just like in case of BvC, but average liberator player - tier 2.


Conclusion. Well I named my top tiers and lower tiers. If I must to sum it up, then top 3 would look like this, more or less in that exact order:

1. Bone necro
2. Trapper
3. Wind druid

But yes, like I said, not all people value Boner and Trapper this high as I do. Some consider fireball sorc as top 1 build, perhaps some consider BvC to be there or top 2 maybe. I don't see how is fireball sorc better than any of these, same goes for BvC which needs godly player to fit there. But again, what if that same godly player plays with let's say Wind druid? Or Trapper. Those are mine top 3 following up with BvC and fireball sorc. But important thing to say is we could watch ffa and 1v1 sepparatedly. That could rise rank of fireball sorc in one case and of BvC in other.

Okay, enough writing from me. I hope someone else is willing to share their opinion about all this.
 
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