The Pits: Orb vs Blizz

Ossar

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The Pits: Orb vs Blizz

Which should i putt skills in? Making a CL/Cold sorc. Blizz is more damage but maybe harder to hit what U want? Have almost no skillponits to put in synergys only masteries an I'm also using CL.

Post your thoughts!
 

m0nk

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Unfortunely, Blizzard is one of those skills that requires a ton of synergies to make it worthwhile. 80 skill points to be exact. That is why when you see Blizzard build sorcs on this forum, they are single tree cold.

Orb on the other hand, requires 30 points to make a viable attack for hell.

The Lightning Tree also needs tons of synergies but it's a bit more viable as the recommened expenditure is around 60 skill points - and with that you get 2 viable skills, Lightning and CL (or CB if you go that route). This also leaves room to pick up another tree to finish off a dual tree sorc.
 

Ossar

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m0nk said:
Unfortunely, Blizzard is one of those skills that requires a ton of synergies to make it worthwhile. 80 skill points to be exact. That is why when you see Blizzard build sorcs on this forum, they are single tree cold.

Orb on the other hand, requires 30 points to make a viable attack for hell.

The Lightning Tree also needs tons of synergies but it's a bit more viable as the recommened expenditure is around 60 skill points - and with that you get 2 viable skills, Lightning and CL (or CB if you go that route). This also leaves room to pick up another tree to finish off a dual tree sorc.
Why is it that Orb is better than Blizz? Blizz does more damage!

What is CB?
 

HazardFC

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m0nk said:
Unfortunely, Blizzard is one of those skills that requires a ton of synergies to make it worthwhile. 80 skill points to be exact. That is why when you see Blizzard build sorcs on this forum, they are single tree cold.
Not entirely true.

I have a blizzard/fw sorc and she is coming along nicely (level 89).

I maxed blizzard/glacial and put 10 into CM
I have maxed FW and put about 8 into FM
I have now started adding points to blast (about 10 so far).
1 point into Static and Teleport (and prereqs).

I have +12 from items and charms.
I also have decent MF as well.

Add in an act 2 defensive merc and I can pretty much handle anything.

Can I solo an 8 paler game? Sometimes.. but very slow.. heh

But, I do decent damage and can easily take on meph, andy, the pits, etc.

(Equip is: Shako, Occy, Mara's, Rhyme/LIdless, SOJ, Nagels/resist ring, Vipermagi, 40% chance guards, rare boots.)
1 cold charm and an anih charm
 

m0nk

Diabloii.Net Member
Ossar said:
Why is it that Orb is better than Blizz? Blizz does more damage!

What is CB?
Actually, the damage is similiar between the two at low blizzard synergy levels. Its when you start pumping Blizzards 3 synergies when you start to see Blizzard take off in damage.

Don't let the low Orb damage fool you. The damage listed is per shard. There are as many as 16 shards (I think)

CB = Charged Bolt
 

Ossar

Diabloii.Net Member
HazardFC said:
Not entirely true.

I have a blizzard/fw sorc and she is coming along nicely (level 89).

I maxed blizzard/glacial and put 10 into CM
I have maxed FW and put about 8 into FM
I have now started adding points to blast (about 10 so far).
1 point into Static and Teleport (and prereqs).
So it is better to put 10 points in mastery and 10 in synergy than putting 20 in mastery?
 

HazardFC

Diabloii.Net Member
Ossar said:
So it is better to put 10 points in mastery and 10 in synergy than putting 20 in mastery?
well. no.

It depends on what you are trying to achieve.

I was going for a 17 total in CM. This is a "sweet" spot. If you are building your sorc to mainly go places where mobs/bosses have higher cold resists (not immunes) then you would want CM to go higher.

My build was aiming for a balance and to be useful in just about all situations.

So, I just listed what I did. It really depends on if you are planning to be single tree or not.. and if you are planning, for example, to just do meph runs or to try to work all over. Also, do you plan to solo or group. If you will rarely solo, then maybe a dual tree is not needed and you could get the great dmg from a single tree and synergies.

I pretty much solo all the time except for 8 player xp games. So, I wanted to be able to handle most situations.
 

Ossar

Diabloii.Net Member
HazardFC said:
well. no.

It depends on what you are trying to achieve.

I was going for a 17 total in CM. This is a "sweet" spot. If you are building your sorc to mainly go places where mobs/bosses have higher cold resists (not immunes) then you would want CM to go higher.

My build was aiming for a balance and to be useful in just about all situations.

So, I just listed what I did. It really depends on if you are planning to be single tree or not.. and if you are planning, for example, to just do meph runs or to try to work all over. Also, do you plan to solo or group. If you will rarely solo, then maybe a dual tree is not needed and you could get the great dmg from a single tree and synergies.

I pretty much solo all the time except for 8 player xp games. So, I wanted to be able to handle most situations.
Mostly (about 90%) of my time I will be doing Pit runs. So what is your optimal setup using CL/Cold?
 

wind

Diabloii.Net Member
HazardFC said:
Not entirely true.

I have a blizzard/fw sorc and she is coming along nicely (level 89).

I maxed blizzard/glacial and put 10 into CM
I have maxed FW and put about 8 into FM
I have now started adding points to blast (about 10 so far).
1 point into Static and Teleport (and prereqs).

I have +12 from items and charms.

Add in an act 2 defensive merc and I can pretty much handle anything.

Can I solo an 8 paler game? Sometimes.. but very slow.. heh

But, I do decent damage and can easily take on meph, andy, the pits, etc.

(Equip is: Shako, Occy, Mara's, Rhyme/LIdless, SOJ, Nagels/resist ring, Vipermagi, 40% chance guards, rare boots.)
1 cold charm and an anih charm
With more +skills things get easier, try your build solo with only +4 and see how it does. Also how easy would it be to finish the game?
 

Jackson

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My level 91 CL/ORB sorc:
Over 2300 life, 65ish% block, about 70 resist all in hell mode, but only 700 mana =(

SKILLS:

Max Chain Lightning
Max Lightning
Max Lightning Mastery
Max Frozen Orb
20 in Cold mastery after +skill stuff
And skills into other stuff (forgot)

GEAR:
Ptopazed Shako
ISTed Near perfect Ethereal Skullders (off by just a few percent)
ISTed Oculus
Stormshield: -15% requirements with 15% all resist jewel
Perfect BO Call to Arms with Lidless for one more skill
Goldwrap: Gonna get upgraded one for more belt slots/Sometimes I use Arachnid's Mesh
2 SOJ
Perfect MF Chance Guards
Perfect MF% War Travellers
Rare Amulet with +2 sorc skills, resists, and stats

INVENTORY:
5X GCs with +1 lightning skills and lots of life on each GC
3X GCs with +1 cold skills and also lots of life on each GC
Horadric Cube
MF/resist SCs
Life/resist SCs

Merc (HF):
Perfect 1.09 Ethereal Vampire Gaze with CHAM
Ethereal Chains of Honor
Ethereal Bonehew (almost perfect ed) with 2 SHAELs (i took out the amns after hearing some good advice, hehe Zappa)
I also suppose that the merc could also use a Ethereal Doom Polearm (skills, speed, damage, holy freeze aura, minus enemy's cold resistance), but I havent found a good weapon to use yet.

Basically, the pits have less cold immune monsters than Lightning immune, so I tried to get my lightning damage as high as possible. The only Lightning monsters I believe are Unique Monsters and the Rogue Archers (I think these guys are the most dangerous).
 

Ossar

Diabloii.Net Member
Jackson said:
My level 91 CL/ORB sorc:
Over 2300 life, 65ish% block, about 70 resist all in hell mode, but only 700 mana =(
700 mana! Use some pots =)

Whats your damage? How many skills total in Orb/CL???
 

m0nk

Diabloii.Net Member
Ossar said:
700 mana! Use some pots =)

Whats your damage? How many skills total in Orb/CL???
We do have a CL/FO guide you know :) Thats what his build is and so is mine.

Here is mine, which is much cheaper cause I'm poor. Well, poor compared to him. :)

Level 92 CL/FO
20 Chain Lightning
20 Lightning
20 Lightning Mastery
20 Orb
11 Cold Mastery
1 Frozen Armor
1 Teleport
1 Static
1 Energy Shield
and prereqs

Ptopazed Shako
Isted Occy / Alt Wizspike
Ptopazed Skullders
+3 Lightning 25MF ammy
Tals Belt <--- Need Arachnids badly for FCR
RavenFrost
10FCR 19MF ring
Umed Whistans / Alt Lidless Wall
WarTravelers

Inventory
3x Lightning GC 24% FHR 31 life on dual mods
38% Gheeds
Resist and MF small charms

Belt
1 Row Health
3 Rows Mana

858 Life
820 Mana
Max Block
+13 Lightning Tree
+6 Cold Tree
Resists: Fire 30/Cold 63/Light 75/Poison 23

14-9445 Lightning
9-4676 CL
352-374 -per shard - Orb
-100 resists CM
 

Jackson

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I do about (not over) 6000 max damage wih chain lightning, and a little less than 14k with lightning. Orb only does about a little less than 500.

Yeah, the mana isn't really an issue unless I get hit with a mana burn monster. Otherwise, I can just drink some pots, or sit back while my merc does all the work and my mana regens.
 

Jackson

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Well, it was a near perfect (I checked today, it was off by 2% ed) Ethereal Skullders. :D

It looks really nice, and I had lots of spare IST runes.
 

wangboBW

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lucky you!!!!! still....ISTING your shako and skulders.....silly rich people.
This is NL right?
 

Ziggy54

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i hate u rich ppl... may b u could share the wealth a little....lol, if u wana give me ne thing free ill be happy to accept it. Just in case ne one wants to do some priivate baal runs or nething my account name is *mr.khan and im on useast
 
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