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The Pits: Orb vs Blizz

Discussion in 'Sorceress' started by Ossar, Feb 6, 2004.

  1. Ossar

    Ossar IncGamers Member

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    The Pits: Orb vs Blizz

    Which should i putt skills in? Making a CL/Cold sorc. Blizz is more damage but maybe harder to hit what U want? Have almost no skillponits to put in synergys only masteries an I'm also using CL.

    Post your thoughts!
     
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    m0nk IncGamers Member

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    Unfortunely, Blizzard is one of those skills that requires a ton of synergies to make it worthwhile. 80 skill points to be exact. That is why when you see Blizzard build sorcs on this forum, they are single tree cold.

    Orb on the other hand, requires 30 points to make a viable attack for hell.

    The Lightning Tree also needs tons of synergies but it's a bit more viable as the recommened expenditure is around 60 skill points - and with that you get 2 viable skills, Lightning and CL (or CB if you go that route). This also leaves room to pick up another tree to finish off a dual tree sorc.
     
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    Ossar IncGamers Member

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    Why is it that Orb is better than Blizz? Blizz does more damage!

    What is CB?
     
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    HazardFC IncGamers Member

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    Not entirely true.

    I have a blizzard/fw sorc and she is coming along nicely (level 89).

    I maxed blizzard/glacial and put 10 into CM
    I have maxed FW and put about 8 into FM
    I have now started adding points to blast (about 10 so far).
    1 point into Static and Teleport (and prereqs).

    I have +12 from items and charms.
    I also have decent MF as well.

    Add in an act 2 defensive merc and I can pretty much handle anything.

    Can I solo an 8 paler game? Sometimes.. but very slow.. heh

    But, I do decent damage and can easily take on meph, andy, the pits, etc.

    (Equip is: Shako, Occy, Mara's, Rhyme/LIdless, SOJ, Nagels/resist ring, Vipermagi, 40% chance guards, rare boots.)
    1 cold charm and an anih charm
     
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    m0nk IncGamers Member

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    Actually, the damage is similiar between the two at low blizzard synergy levels. Its when you start pumping Blizzards 3 synergies when you start to see Blizzard take off in damage.

    Don't let the low Orb damage fool you. The damage listed is per shard. There are as many as 16 shards (I think)

    CB = Charged Bolt
     
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    Ossar IncGamers Member

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    So it is better to put 10 points in mastery and 10 in synergy than putting 20 in mastery?
     
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    HazardFC IncGamers Member

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    well. no.

    It depends on what you are trying to achieve.

    I was going for a 17 total in CM. This is a "sweet" spot. If you are building your sorc to mainly go places where mobs/bosses have higher cold resists (not immunes) then you would want CM to go higher.

    My build was aiming for a balance and to be useful in just about all situations.

    So, I just listed what I did. It really depends on if you are planning to be single tree or not.. and if you are planning, for example, to just do meph runs or to try to work all over. Also, do you plan to solo or group. If you will rarely solo, then maybe a dual tree is not needed and you could get the great dmg from a single tree and synergies.

    I pretty much solo all the time except for 8 player xp games. So, I wanted to be able to handle most situations.
     
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    Ossar IncGamers Member

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    Mostly (about 90%) of my time I will be doing Pit runs. So what is your optimal setup using CL/Cold?
     
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    With more +skills things get easier, try your build solo with only +4 and see how it does. Also how easy would it be to finish the game?
     
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    My level 91 CL/ORB sorc:
    Over 2300 life, 65ish% block, about 70 resist all in hell mode, but only 700 mana =(

    SKILLS:

    Max Chain Lightning
    Max Lightning
    Max Lightning Mastery
    Max Frozen Orb
    20 in Cold mastery after +skill stuff
    And skills into other stuff (forgot)

    GEAR:
    Ptopazed Shako
    ISTed Near perfect Ethereal Skullders (off by just a few percent)
    ISTed Oculus
    Stormshield: -15% requirements with 15% all resist jewel
    Perfect BO Call to Arms with Lidless for one more skill
    Goldwrap: Gonna get upgraded one for more belt slots/Sometimes I use Arachnid's Mesh
    2 SOJ
    Perfect MF Chance Guards
    Perfect MF% War Travellers
    Rare Amulet with +2 sorc skills, resists, and stats

    INVENTORY:
    5X GCs with +1 lightning skills and lots of life on each GC
    3X GCs with +1 cold skills and also lots of life on each GC
    Horadric Cube
    MF/resist SCs
    Life/resist SCs

    Merc (HF):
    Perfect 1.09 Ethereal Vampire Gaze with CHAM
    Ethereal Chains of Honor
    Ethereal Bonehew (almost perfect ed) with 2 SHAELs (i took out the amns after hearing some good advice, hehe Zappa)
    I also suppose that the merc could also use a Ethereal Doom Polearm (skills, speed, damage, holy freeze aura, minus enemy's cold resistance), but I havent found a good weapon to use yet.

    Basically, the pits have less cold immune monsters than Lightning immune, so I tried to get my lightning damage as high as possible. The only Lightning monsters I believe are Unique Monsters and the Rogue Archers (I think these guys are the most dangerous).
     
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    Ossar IncGamers Member

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    700 mana! Use some pots =)

    Whats your damage? How many skills total in Orb/CL???
     
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    m0nk IncGamers Member

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    We do have a CL/FO guide you know :) Thats what his build is and so is mine.

    Here is mine, which is much cheaper cause I'm poor. Well, poor compared to him. :)

    Level 92 CL/FO
    20 Chain Lightning
    20 Lightning
    20 Lightning Mastery
    20 Orb
    11 Cold Mastery
    1 Frozen Armor
    1 Teleport
    1 Static
    1 Energy Shield
    and prereqs

    Ptopazed Shako
    Isted Occy / Alt Wizspike
    Ptopazed Skullders
    +3 Lightning 25MF ammy
    Tals Belt <--- Need Arachnids badly for FCR
    RavenFrost
    10FCR 19MF ring
    Umed Whistans / Alt Lidless Wall
    WarTravelers

    Inventory
    3x Lightning GC 24% FHR 31 life on dual mods
    38% Gheeds
    Resist and MF small charms

    Belt
    1 Row Health
    3 Rows Mana

    858 Life
    820 Mana
    Max Block
    +13 Lightning Tree
    +6 Cold Tree
    Resists: Fire 30/Cold 63/Light 75/Poison 23

    14-9445 Lightning
    9-4676 CL
    352-374 -per shard - Orb
    -100 resists CM
     
  13. Jackson

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    I do about (not over) 6000 max damage wih chain lightning, and a little less than 14k with lightning. Orb only does about a little less than 500.

    Yeah, the mana isn't really an issue unless I get hit with a mana burn monster. Otherwise, I can just drink some pots, or sit back while my merc does all the work and my mana regens.
     
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    Jackson, you isted your skulders??


    You're making me tear up :hanky:
     
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    Jackson IncGamers Member

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    Well, it was a near perfect (I checked today, it was off by 2% ed) Ethereal Skullders. :D

    It looks really nice, and I had lots of spare IST runes.
     
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    lucky you!!!!! still....ISTING your shako and skulders.....silly rich people.
    This is NL right?
     
  17. Ziggy54

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    i hate u rich ppl... may b u could share the wealth a little....lol, if u wana give me ne thing free ill be happy to accept it. Just in case ne one wants to do some priivate baal runs or nething my account name is *mr.khan and im on useast
     

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