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The Perfect Frenzy Barb

Discussion in 'Barbarian' started by Zanifer, May 3, 2005.

  1. Zanifer

    Zanifer IncGamers Member

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    The Perfect Frenzy Barb

    ===INTRO=======================

    Bit expensive, High Vitality, and more so, uses all 113 skills points (Subject to change, it's your character, if you don't like something change it.). This is only my build, and as i said, if you dont like something, dont invest in it. The point of this build is to introduce an twinked version of my favorite character. It is exremely fun to play, and even more successful.

    ===ATTRIBUTES==================

    Strength = 100
    Mininum for eBOTDz (One point off, other gear can take care of this issue
    though).

    Dexterity = 50
    A zerker requires 38 dex, however i just put it to 50 for some what
    improved ar, more than enough room to raise it. Maybe 100-150

    Vitality = Rest
    Life. Nothing to argue about here.

    Energy = 10
    None, leave it at 10. A barb gets +1 to mana per stat in energy as to +4
    to life per stat in vitality.

    ===SKILLS======================

    ------------COMBAT MASTERIES---

    Axe Mastery = 20
    I choose Axe Mastery because of axe DMG in comparison to swords, and
    the overall flexibility of axes in general.

    Increased Stanima = 1
    1 point is fine, let the gear do the rest.

    Increased Speed = 1
    1 point is fine, let the gear do the rest.

    Iron Skin = 1
    1 point is fine, let the gear do the rest.

    Natural Resistance = 1
    1 point is fine, let the gear do the rest.

    --------------------WARCRIES---

    Howl = 1
    Pre Req to other required skills.

    Taunt = 20
    Synergy of Frenzy.

    Shout = 10
    Good for a defense boost. Let the gear do the rest.

    Battle Orders = 10
    Must I even explain myself?

    Battle Command = 1
    1 point. Use before casting shout and battle orders.

    ---------------COMBAT SKILLS---

    Bash = 1
    Pre Req to other required skills.

    Double Swing = 20
    Synergy of Frenzy.

    Double Throw = 1
    Pre Req to other required skills.

    Frenzy = 20
    Main skill.

    Leap = 1
    Pre Req to other required skills.

    Leap Attack = 1
    A way of escape. 1 point is all that's needed.

    Stun = 1
    Pre Req to other required skills.

    Concentrate = 1
    Pre Req to other required skills.

    Beserk = 1
    1 point is good as anything more is a waste of skill points, the use of this
    skill at later levels (I.E. 20) is completely diminishing. Only 1 point for the
    addition of magic DMG to frenzy. (Synergy of Frenzy)

    ===EQUIPMENT===================

    --------------------HEADGEAR---

    Arreats Face = Only way to go, best helm for a barb to abide by. (Preferably
    stick a cham rune in there to prevent being frozen)

    -----------------------ARMOR---

    COH = FHR, Resistance's (65), damage reduction, and the 2 to all skills.
    Perfect!

    ---------------------WEAPONS---

    eBOTDz = 30 to all Attributes and Dual Leach added to the emmense DMG
    this thing dishes out. At least one is a necesary

    Beast = Fanaticism is reason enough to use this alongside a BOTD, however
    other modifiers are an added plus.

    ----------------------GLOVES---

    Soul Drainers = Dual Leach and other modifers quite useful.

    Dracul's Grasp = Life Leach and the ability to cast Life Tap is priceless,
    definitly a good idea to look for and maybe aquire by end game.

    -----------------------BOOTS---

    Gore Riders = Crushing Blow, Deadly Strike, and Open Wounds. With
    the attack speed of a Frenzy Barb, these modifiers may be quite handy.

    ------------------------BELT---

    Verdungo's = Percent Damage Reduction and Vitality make this belt good for
    any melee character.

    -----------------------RINGS---

    BK Wedding-Band = Good for Life Leach and +1 to all skills.

    Ravenfrost = If unable to obtain a Cham'd Arreats replace a BK Wedding-Band
    with one of these.

    ---------------------AMMULET---

    Highlords Wrath = Good for the melee modifiers that in introduces. The deadly
    strike, and etc.

    ===STRATEGY====================

    Frenzy = Can be a dificult skill to control do to the emmense speed offered
    by it's wonderfull ability. What i suggest doing is using it as a Right-Click
    skill. BY doing this, you can simply run around (While holding right mouse
    button) and attack any enemy that comes into range without individualy
    targeting them.

    Leap Attack = Your means of escape, use this if anything happens and it
    gets a bit itchy.

    ===CONCLUSION==================

    A Frenzy Barb is in my honest oppinion, the funnest character to play.
    though i dont know how well he may do in pvp, i started this barb about
    three weeks ago. He is now only 75 and rushing people in hell. And as he
    may be a bit expensive, i found it worth the enjoyment.
     
  2. Beowulf

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    Might not want to mention duped items that are banned on these boards.
     
  3. Zanifer

    Zanifer IncGamers Member

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    Yea thanks, i changed it. I did't know that those items were banned. Owell, i spose its the barb's build that really matters. The gear will prolly change depending on the individual as is.
     
  4. Ash Housewares

    Ash Housewares IncGamers Member

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    you only have 110 skill points

    10 points into BO is not perfect
    12 points more than you need into dex is not perfect

    put a point in Battle Cry, why not? and even a single point into warcry on top of that seems more useful to me than 10 into shout
     
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    I wouldnt recomend pushing dex for ar, it gives to little and takes to much and if i were you add angelic rings and amulet as a option to wear as bling bling , and always max bo ;)
     
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    Id use a eth stormlash + beast caddy over the ebotdz tbh.
     
  7. Zanifer

    Zanifer IncGamers Member

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    Just as i found ww uselss (for this build) i also found such of battle cry and war cry. I never used them before and never do need them, or so i have yet too. I use shout and bo before pvp when im just messing around with my friends. But besides that i use this guy for rushing. And he does a fine job soloing in hell (even when there is 8 ppl in game) but w/e. I may agree about the dex thing. But not bo. It's like everyone comes to a build (not this one, but for example) and complains that he (The creator/writer) did not use ww. Though he states his theory and says he doesnt need it. Now im not saying your doing anything to that extent, and i do actually appreciate the feedback. But maxed bo doesn't seem worth it for me. With all my gear on and warcry weps equiped i easily have over 25 into bo. And i found that worth enough. I wanted to do dmg and not worry so much about casting. Critize me about this message if you like, but it's my take on the frenzy barb.

    Plus if you dont like unmaxed bo, take some outa shout the since you dont like it, or take some outa DS. That way if you use warcry charms, you'll get a bigger synergy bonus then Combat charms, and you will have better warcries in your opinion
     
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    I would use Grief + Beast for a frenzy barb. the raw damage is greater than the BOTD + Beast! Of course Grief is only available on ladder! The downside when using Grief + Beast is the repair costs on those weapons!

    I would also use Fortitude (Ladder again) instead of COH and Dracuuls instead of Souldrainer!

    Maxing BO is a must! Life is esentiall!

    /Dec
     
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    Ash Housewares IncGamers Member

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    well my philosophy is survivability ahead of damage, if I wanted to hurt things alot I would use something other than a frenzy barb :p and I've never been fond of high defense frenziers since they spend so much time running with zero defense anyways

    and yea, whirlwind is completely useless for frenzier, don't even get me started, mine didn't even have berserk, single combat skill he was!
     
  10. Zanifer

    Zanifer IncGamers Member

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    I dont play ladder

    And that's fine, as far a defense goes. I was just making up for the defense already lost. As far as life goes, last time i died i was 65 and that's because i didnt have my gear on. And i just wanted to see the capable dmg of a frenzy barb. but survivability aswell, i just sacrificed bo in this build for dmg. Just to see the corollary.
     
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    Ash Housewares IncGamers Member

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    I'll acknowledge the legitimacy of your choice in build, but I wouldn't go around calling builds 'perfect'
     
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    Zanifer IncGamers Member

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    I can change that if it bothers you, i personaly just did it to get attention (as a title), to intreage (SP?) the reader
     
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    I built an "Iron Frenzier" in HC, but mass skill point investment in shout and iron skin really isn't very efficient. The warcry/battlecry combo provides more protection at a much lower cost.
     
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    You should never call a build perfect.
    If some frenzier would end up weak with that gear, he either absolutely doesn't know how to play the game, or is unbelievably unlucky.
    Also, how can you comment about Warcry and Battlecry when you haven't even tried them? You can't just say "I never used them, they suck because of that".
    Oh, and let me show the added damage from the synergies (note: this was simply counting the ebotd hands damage, without taking DS, charms, Mercenary aura's, or critical hit into account.
    Note:(380% ed EBotDz taken into acount). 220 is approximate strength including gear (100 base + 30 EBotDz + 35 Beast +20 Arreats +15 Anni + 20).

    First, the minimum damage:

    (24*1.5*(3.8+1)*(5.55+1.63+2.2+1.86+1)=172*12.24=2105

    Now max damage:

    (71*1.5*(3.8+1)*(5.55+1.63+2.2+1.86+1)=511*12.24=6254

    Impressive, but now check the Max Bo 1Warcry 1Battlecry Route:

    Min Damage:
    172*11.18=1922

    Max Damage:
    511*11.18=5712

    Now I'll calculate the life difference, assuming a lvl 99 character with points spent as you suggest, of course without charms taken into account and with 2x +3 Warcries weapons taken into account.
    1931
    10 BO route:
    ((55+2*98+3*20+405*4)*(1.04+1))+30*4+15*4+40*4+49*2
    =3939+120+60+160+98=4377

    20 BO route:
    ((55+2*98+3*20+405*4)*(1.34+1))+30*4+15*4+40*4+49*2
    =3939+120+60+160+98=4956

    Every vita charm you add would highly amplyfy this effect. Maybe I could recalculate it factoring in 39 32020s, but I'm too lazy to do that.
    I only show numbers, I'm now barb expert.
     
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    i dont have much time right now, so i didnt go over your math. though i see the point you are trying to prove.but i have 2 strong points to argue. one, i never said they suck, never. if anything you could say i am not fond o them,, i spose you could translate it into that. I said i never used them, correct. they never look like that great of a skill to me, especially if i intend on goin pvp, for i dont believe them to work on act bosses or other playable characters. two, so what if i dont go for what you guys find "perfect" it isnt what i wanted. and it's not as though this is how you have to build your char. it's merely guidleines for the road ahead of you. Do what you want, i dont care. but i did what i wanted to, so what.

    However, (that was not inteded to be aggresive, i just wanted to make a point) i do appreciate your feedback. And it will help me when i advise this. (Which may not be for awhile, now that i screwed up my ankle so will be doing hw in my "free" time)
     
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    that is counter to the thread title, so understand why people will provide criticism, and you are saying "I want feedback" and "I don't care" one and the same so... :scratch:

    you should try the skills, we're suggesting them because they're useful, it's more efficient IMHO to use those 2 skill points for battlecry & warcry instead of 10 into shout
     
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    and i will, i have been greatly looking into what you guys have been suggesting. and in realation to that i have two comments. 1)thank you, for the feedback and the overall suggestion. 2) i wanted to try a pvp barb, so in particular i stayed away from those two skills, however, i would like to ask this. would you instead suggest axe masterty being reduced to 10, maxing bo, (not a prefered skill to max when there are other possibilities, but for the sake of others i will put in guide and just change for my personal build) and before putting a point into the two suggested skills. do they work on end bosses or for that matter other characters? Thanks
     
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    for pvp I would suggest abandoning frenzy

    battlecry works on act bosses, warcry doesn't
     
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    Hey good guide author and thank you for sharing :D Hmm suppose someone wishes to make this frenzy barb for PvM and is not too rich? Could this build work with a Duress armor instead of COH and one goes with a Crescent Moon Zerker and an upped Butcher's Pupil? Also cham is kindda expensive and i prefer the ravenfrost idea as it adds CBF *and* lots of AR too :D I may not prefer 10 into Shout and max BO instead and consider some damage taken to mana items like angelics/nightsmoke but its a preference i guess.Hmm might it be ok as well if one went with swords and use upped headstriker and an eth oath sword too?
     
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    i know a pvp frenzy barb may not be as successful as other builds. but pvp to me isnt domination of toer classes or players. Pvp is just something that i do with my friends, and i found this may prove for some intresting battles.

    Yes it would work. and yes cham is somewhat expensive, though if you play on US East NL i can get you one kinda cheap. Though reaven frost would work just as good. I guess people dont prefer shout as much as i do though more bo can only get better. Swords are good to, though i prefer axes because by end game they "can" do more dmg, if you can afford it. Plus you can always start low and upgrade. I think it will work fine, just take your time and think it out, it's all preferance really.
     

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