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The perfect baalrunner? A mat thread.

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  1. nubikoen

    nubikoen IncGamers Member

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    The perfect baalrunner? A mat thread.

    Meet my new baalrunner, marge.

    She's my take on the most efficient baalrunning sorc.
    I tried the pure blizzard sorc and the blizzballer, neither could, efficiently, clear everything on /players 8. The best of the 2 is in my oppinion the pure blizzer with helhel bonehew on switch. The catch is, wave 2 had to be done on /p1, /p3 at most.
    I wanted to go /p8 all the way (/p3 baal though), this one can do that.
    At 3 min. 45 sec. pr. run, including loading, buying, selling, repairing and muling. As blizzard gets better this, of course will get lower. I might be able to shave of ~20 seconds or so just by getting a better WSK map (it's a 22-25 second tele now) and doing throne on /p1 or even just leave it on /p3 from the previous baalkill.

    Bla bla, on to the good stuff.

    Cold Skills

    Light skills

    Fire skills

    LCS w. Blizzard/Glacial spike

    LCS w. Lightning/Chain lightning

    The blizzard part should come as no surprise, it's quite simply one of, if not the most efficient skill(s) in the game.

    I chose to go with CL/L as secondary attack to use against the second wave's skeletons because of two things:

    1. Chain lightning does an enormous amount of damage pr. cast - even when not fully synergized. It does so because of the many hits it'll land. 4 or 5 CLs (with 4 or 5 Lightnings to clean up the last one or two skellies) is enough to kill all the skeletons.

    2. I had a Griffon's eye and wanted to put that sweet sweet -24% to enemy lightning resist to good use. :)

    The gear

    Code:
    31: Griffon's Eye
    Diadem
    Defense: 150
    Durability: 9 of 20
    Required Level: 76
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    Item Level: 87
    Fingerprint: 0x5fdad7ff
    +100 Defense
    Adds 1-74 lightning damage
    25% Faster Cast Rate
    +1 to All Skill Levels
    100% Chance to cast Level 41 Nova When You Level Up
    +14% to Lightning Skill Damage
    -24% to Enemy Lightning Resistance
    Socketed (1: 1 used)
    
    Rainbow Facet
    Jewel
    Required Level: 49
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    Item Level: 87
    Fingerprint: 0xc72f6599
    Adds 1-74 lightning damage
    100% Chance to cast Level 41 Nova When You Level Up
    +4% to Lightning Skill Damage
    -5% to Enemy Lightning Resistance
    
    32: Mara's Kaleidoscope
    Amulet
    Required Level: 67
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    Item Level: 87
    Fingerprint: 0x7f1a7ba4
    +5 to Strength
    +5 to Energy
    +5 to Dexterity
    +5 to Vitality
    All Resistances +23
    +2 to All Skill Levels
    
    33: Chains of Honor
    Superior Dusk Shroud
    'DolUmBerIst'
    Defense: 865
    Durability: 13 of 20
    Required Strength: 77
    Required Level: 63
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    Item Level: 80
    Fingerprint: 0xb70d7ea7
    +20 to Strength
    +70% Enhanced Defense
    +15% Enhanced Defense
    Damage Reduced by 8%
    All Resistances +65
    8% Life stolen per hit
    Replenish Life +7
    25% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items
    200% Damage to Demons
    100% Damage to Undead
    +2 to All Skill Levels
    Socketed (4: 4 used)
    
    Dol Rune
    Inserted into a Dusk Shroud
    
    Replenish Life +7
    
    Required Level: 31
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    
    Um Rune
    Inserted into a Dusk Shroud
    
    All Resistances +15
    
    Required Level: 47
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    
    Ber Rune
    Inserted into a Dusk Shroud
    
    Damage Reduced by 8%
    
    Required Level: 63
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    
    Ist Rune
    Inserted into a Dusk Shroud
    
    25% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items
    
    Required Level: 51
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    
    34: Shadow Whorl
    Ring
    Required Level: 23
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    Item Level: 35
    Fingerprint: 0xc4ac6fa1
    +12 to Energy
    Magic Damage Reduced by 1
    Fire Resist +15%
    Lightning Resist +15%
    Poison Resist +24%
    10% Faster Cast Rate
    
    35: The Stone of Jordan
    Ring
    Required Level: 29
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    Item Level: 75
    Fingerprint: 0x91078119
    +20 to Mana
    Adds 1-12 lightning damage
    Increase Maximum Mana 25%
    +1 to All Skill Levels
    
    36: Arachnid Mesh
    Spiderweb Sash
    Defense: 126
    Durability: 12 of 12
    Required Strength: 50
    Required Level: 80
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    Item Level: 87
    Fingerprint: 0x16cdd244
    +100% Enhanced Defense
    Increase Maximum Mana 5%
    20% Faster Cast Rate
    +1 to All Skill Levels
    Slows Target by 10%
    Level 3 Venom (11/11 Charges)
    
    37: Waterwalk
    Sharkskin Boots
    Defense: 112
    Durability: 11 of 14
    Required Strength: 47
    Required Level: 32
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    Item Level: 87
    Fingerprint: 0xce31fbb5
    +15 to Dexterity
    +48 to Life
    +40 to Maximum Stamina
    +182% Enhanced Defense
    Heal Stamina Plus 50%
    +100 Defense vs. Missile
    +5% to Maximum Fire Resist
    20% Faster Run/Walk
    
    38: Trang-Oul's Claws
    Heavy Bracers
    Defense: 72
    Durability: 14 of 16
    Required Strength: 58
    Required Level: 45
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    Item Level: 86
    Fingerprint: 0x45e49a67
    +30 Defense
    Cold Resist +30%
    20% Faster Cast Rate
    +2 to Curses (Necromancer Only)
    +25% to Poison Skill Damage
    
    75: Death's Fathom
    Dimensional Shard
    One-Hand Damage: 30 to 53
    Durability: 50 of 50
    (Sorceress Only)
    Required Level: 73
    Orb Class - Slow Attack Speed
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    Item Level: 86
    Fingerprint: 0x8b05f60b
    Fire Resist +32%
    Lightning Resist +28%
    Adds 24-38 cold damage over 0 seconds
    +3 to Sorceress Skill Levels
    20% Faster Cast Rate
    100% Chance to cast Level 37 Blizzard When You Die
    +28% to Cold Skill Damage
    -4% to Enemy Cold Resistance
    Socketed (1: 1 used)
    
    Rainbow Facet
    Jewel
    Required Level: 49
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    Item Level: 87
    Fingerprint: 0xe716f52d
    Adds 24-38 cold damage over 0 seconds
    100% Chance to cast Level 37 Blizzard When You Die
    +4% to Cold Skill Damage
    -4% to Enemy Cold Resistance
    
    76: Spirit
    Sephrenia's Monarch
    'TalThulOrtAmn'
    Defense: 143
    Chance to Block:  42%
    Durability: 79 of 86
    Required Strength: 156
    Required Level: 54
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    Item Level: 79
    Fingerprint: 0xe30bb7e0
    +22 to Vitality
    +93 to Mana
    +250 Defense vs. Missile
    Lightning Resist +35%
    Cold Resist +35%
    Poison Resist +35%
    Attacker Takes Damage of 14
    55% Faster Hit Recovery
    35% Faster Cast Rate
    +2 to All Skill Levels
    +8 Magic Absorb
    Socketed (4: 4 used)
    And on switch
    Code:
    65: Call to Arms
    Superior Crystal Sword
    'AmnRalMalIstOhm'
    One-Hand Damage: 20 to 60
    Durability: 22 of 22
    Required Strength: 43
    Required Level: 57
    Sword Class - Very Fast Attack Speed
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    Item Level: 86
    Fingerprint: 0x79cdd235
    +237% Enhanced Damage
    +64% Enhanced Damage
    Adds 5-30 fire damage
    7% Life stolen per hit
    Replenish Life +12
    Increase Maximum Durability 11%
    30% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items
    40% Increased Attack Speed
    +3 to Battle Command
    +4 to Battle Cry
    +3 to Battle Orders
    Prevent Monster Heal
    +1 to All Skill Levels
    Socketed (5: 5 used)
    
    Amn Rune
    Inserted into a Crystal Sword
    
    7% Life stolen per hit
    
    Required Level: 25
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    
    Ral Rune
    Inserted into a Crystal Sword
    
    Adds 5-30 fire damage
    
    Required Level: 19
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    
    Mal Rune
    Inserted into a Crystal Sword
    
    Prevent Monster Heal
    
    Required Level: 49
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    
    Ist Rune
    Inserted into a Crystal Sword
    
    30% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items
    
    Required Level: 51
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    
    Ohm Rune
    Inserted into a Crystal Sword
    
    +50% Enhanced Damage
    
    Required Level: 57
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    
    64: Spirit
    Monarch
    'TalThulOrtAmn'
    Defense: 142
    Chance to Block:  42%
    Durability: 86 of 86
    Required Strength: 156
    Required Level: 54
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    Item Level: 83
    Fingerprint: 0x675bab9e
    +22 to Vitality
    +94 to Mana
    +250 Defense vs. Missile
    Lightning Resist +35%
    Cold Resist +35%
    Poison Resist +35%
    Attacker Takes Damage of 14
    55% Faster Hit Recovery
    33% Faster Cast Rate
    +2 to All Skill Levels
    +8 Magic Absorb
    Socketed (4: 4 used)
    
    Mercenary Items

    Code:
    1: Andariel's Visage
    Demonhead
    Defense: 387
    Durability: 20 of 20
    Required Strength: 102
    Required Level: 83
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    Item Level: 87
    Fingerprint: 0xefe7f0db
    +28 to Strength
    +150% Enhanced Defense
    Fire Resist -14%
    Poison Resist +70%
    +10% to Maximum Poison Resist
    10% Life stolen per hit
    35% Increased Attack Speed
    +2 to All Skill Levels
    15% Chance to cast Level 15 Poison Nova when struck
    Level 3 Venom (20/20 Charges)
    Socketed (1: 1 used)
    
    Ruby Jewel of Fervor
    Required Level: 31
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    Item Level: 83
    Fingerprint: 0x62d1e666
    Fire Resist +16%
    15% Increased Attack Speed
    
    2: The Gladiator's Bane
    Wire Fleece
    'Ral'
    Defense: 1929
    Durability: 120 of 120
    Required Strength: 101
    Required Level: 85
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    Item Level: 99
    Fingerprint: 0x77c7f40f
    +160% Enhanced Defense
    +50 Defense
    Damage Reduced by 17
    Magic Damage Reduced by 18
    Fire Resist +30%
    +103 Maximum Durability
    Attacker Takes Damage of 20
    30% Faster Hit Recovery
    Poison Length Reduced by 50%
    Cannot Be Frozen
    Ethereal (Cannot be Repaired), Socketed (1: 1 used)
    
    Ral Rune
    Inserted into a Wire Fleece
    
    Fire Resist +30%
    
    Required Level: 19
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    
    3: The Reaper's Toll
    Thresher
    Two-Hand Damage: 54 to 643
    Durability: 33 of 33
    Required Dexterity: 79
    Required Strength: 104
    Required Level: 75
    Polearm Class - Fast Attack Speed
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    Item Level: 85
    Fingerprint: 0xe90148fb
    +205% Enhanced Damage
    Adds 4-44 cold damage over 2 seconds
    15% Life stolen per hit
    Requirements -25%
    Ignore Target Defense
    33% Deadly Strike
    33% Chance to cast Level 1 Decrepify on striking
    Ethereal (Cannot be Repaired)
    Inventory has 7 chilling grand charms, 1 sparking. Some with sustenance/life mod, some clean.
    8 assorted resist, life, mana, mf sc's at the bottom.
    Cube, TP tome, ID tome.

    I don't think I could improve much on the gear, another SoJ or maybe even a BKWB would be nice but that's pretty much it, I think.
    Originally I planned to have 3 or 4 sparking GCs, I just didn't have more than one. It turned out to be no problem with just the one. For this reason, the rest of my skillpoints will be spent making blizzard stronger.

    I only have 1 problem with this girl - Mana, CL/L just drain my bulb in no time. It's not a huge problem mind you, a few blues is all I need.

    Any comments, suggestions, things I forgot (most likely, a LOT)? Hit me.

    PS. The average time is taken from K-T's run counter.
     
  2. Corrupted

    Corrupted IncGamers Member

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    I wonder what you did wrong when making the blizzballer.
    A decent blizzballer should be able to surpass 3:45 rather easily, especially seeing as you have quite the setup. :scratch:
     
  3. DarkChaos

    DarkChaos IncGamers Member

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    I made something similar MPing with a friend once, and found it to be less efficient than a Blizzballer because the Blizzard could not be as strong. I also prefer Fire over Lightning, but that is one helluva character you got there.
     
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    I made the same character, but never finished her, because I found the lightning part a bit too weak during questing. That Blizzard damage is enough to do efficient p8 Baal runs with, nice to hear that she is an good Baal runner, I might finish mine eventually.
     
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    Darn! That was a build I had in mind, and I'd come up showing off my original character, but you beat me to it :embarassed:

    That's a very nice char you have right there. The +19 skills is simply :shocked:

    However, a blizzballer is stronger, at least on paper. In addition to having double the average dmg of lightning/CL, fireball has this absurd +14% per skill point synergy bonus. It's rediculous that it's not even funny!
     
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    Congratulations! Very sweet character. :thumbsup:
     
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    Hmm.. Baal runner, my targets..
    Anyway, congrats! Nice CL damage!
     
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    I suspect that on paper even that might be more efficient than a Blizzballer. B-Ballers don't usually have much or any -%FR, and he's got that diadem on. Anyone know how much the splash from FB does? I'm guessing it can't compare to the arcing of CL, however you don't necessary have all of the arcs each casting. FBs are cast quicker. Lot's of complicated math to figure out how the damage/frame compare.

    Interesting character.

    Would an Eschuta's be more efficient than Death's?
     
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    nubikoen IncGamers Member

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    Thanks for the comments
    I'll try to adress everyone.

    Eschuta's will do very little for my lightning damage, assuming I could get a perfect +3 skill +20% light damage. The only difference compared to DF will be the +20% light damage which would be added to the allready (with only 1 hard point) reasonably high light mastery. This in exchange for the +cold from DF is not worth it imo. Blizzard is the primary kill skill after all.

    As far as which is better - blizzballer or this one, I don't know, but I can say for sure that I like this one better. I didn't mean to say that blizzballers can't run baal efficiently, they can of course, it's been proven by a lot of people. I just don't like them all that much.

    EDIT.
    I completely forgot to mention that I've tried a crescent moon crystal sword on switch, I didn't like not having cta so it was stashed rather quickly again.

    If you have a lightning sorc planned and don't mind getting free stuff, let me know and I'll send it along (usual giveaway/trade rules apply of course) It's rwm/rrm

    If that last part was inappropriate (as in post it in the giveaway thread) let me know and/or delete it

    END EDIT.

    The advantage about CL/L as backup is the high damage output to groups (clearing the throne and 2nd wave) as well as the possibility of having a source of high -enemy res (Griffon's) well, high compared to what you get from fire facets on a blizzballer anyway.

    I spent almost 45 min. rerolling my wsk map. My cast bc-bo-tele is now down to 13-15 seconds, the average time has been further cut down a little more, now it's 3.28.31 exactly (though I haven't done many runs since obviously). This is everything except baal on /p8 (including clearing throne room).
     
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    No. Blizzard is the main spell, the Lightning/Fire is backup only, so it can kill CI's. Also, the 20% from Eschuta's will simply be added to the Lightning Mastery %.

    EDIT: Beat by the man himself. :badteeth:
     
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    Hey, nubikoen...in response to the giveaway idea you had, i think it'd be great :grin:

    And besides being a huge mooch-off (which sadly, i seem to be), i was wondering whether blizzard/CL/L would be better than CL/L/Orb, with lightning as the emphasis? I have a pure lite sorc, and i'm thinking if i could get just half of that damage, it'd be pretty viable in hell.
     
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    nubikoen IncGamers Member

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    After re-reading the giveaway rules I saw that runes/runewords are not allowed to gvieaway so that's cancelled I'm affraid.

    I appologize for not making sure beforehand.
     
  13. Thyiad

    Thyiad Moderator Single Player, D2 Assassin, Barbarian

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    Congratulations. That is an awsome number of +skills.
     

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