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The Panama Papers (with bonus material!)

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by krischan, Apr 6, 2016.

  1. krischan

    krischan Europe Trade Moderator

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    From the Fallout thread:

    Perhaps no Americans are on the list because it took so long to present it :).

    Seriously, I have heard that there are US states which offer enough opportunities to create letterbox companies (or whatever they may be called in the US) or anonymous trusts. There aren't German politicians on the list as well BTW... or just one who already got busted years ago. Anyway, it smells a bit fishy that it took a whole year to publish it.

    Nazi? To my knowledge, he has Jewish ancestors. Wow, that's America, everything is possible!

    I didn't get the part about the bridge, however. Is it a synonym for a scam? Here's a picture of Victor Lustig, probably one of the greatest scammers of all times, the one who sold the Eiffel Tower.

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    He even tried to mess with Al Capone!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Lustig
     
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    I was teasing, to be sure. The initial ZeroHedge piece (I can't find) about it discussed how the 400 or so U.S. names have been obscured while the non-U.S. names are more readily identifiable.

    The Soros link is because, well, Soros is indeed the closest thing to the Anti-Christ currently in play. Yet the only people anyone ever hears about being the ULTIMATE EBIL!! are the Koch Brothers, who are Libertarian in nature.

    Not what I'm saying; he was a German *** at the time. He's mentioned more than once how the power he had at the time of helping the Nazis "police" Jews got his rocks off.

    Horrible, truly psychopathic and megalomaniacal monster, that guy. He should die slowly & painfully like many of his victims.

    Yes; I thought that one was trans-national.


    Now, we can discuss this in the dessicated tinfoil-hat fashion which Zerohedge normally uses:
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    Or we can go with something a little more prurient.

     
  3. krischan

    krischan Europe Trade Moderator

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    I haven't heard that about George Soros so far, but he already was a vile piece of scum for me before. I also have to agree that the political left in the US has a few strange people among them or at least has dubious supporters, but you have that with the political right as well. It's a bit like distinguishing between cockroaches which prefer pork and those which like beef more.

    I don't doubt the distribution of wealth shown in the pyramid, but it needs an explanation. The population sums up to less than 5 billion people while we have more than 7b. Perhaps children aren't included?

    BTW, I'm safely in the green section of the wealth pyramid and I guess that a majority of the working people in the US are as well. Have a house made of stone or an apartment in a town and you are in! So for me, all is fine. I just have to take care that all the beggars stay away from me far enough, but hey, we have an army and lots of barb wire, that must be useful for something! *evil grin smiley*

    On Youtube, the comment section is sometimes more entertaining than the video. I found it funny how some people defend shell companies. Yeah, free men could put their honestly earned money into them in order to hide it from scumbags, but come on, how many of these shell companies are like that? 5%? And why should anybody hide money like that? Yes, there's no proof, but if you hide money in a dung heap, it will smell of it and I see no reason not to point out the smell and what I usually associate with it.
     
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    I am proud to state that the so-called "right" will have fewer of that ilk. The ONLY reason this is true is that the media will crawl up the arse of anyone remotely smelling like a conservative, like the Koch Bros, while they will paper over & obfuscate anyone & everything associated with Socialist/Democrats. Only when the misconduct or corruption gets to completely intolerable levels to they even report it, and you'll strangely find party affiliation stripped out of EVERY FECKIN' ARTICLE published in that regard.

    So's ya know, this isn't me 'frothing'. It's fact, available in a variety of resources you can check.

    I didn't bother to provide other pics from the article, but this one is relevant. I'm probably at the early border of the 80%, though I support wife & child:
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    I don't really give that much adulation to this particular pr0n starlet; the video was cute but pretty simplistic & more about showing her than discussing the issue.

    There's one pr0n starlet named Mercedes Carrera who's got something like 1/2M Twitter followers; I had a delightful discussion with her last Sunday about Islamist enclaves in California and East Coast/West Coast 'Latino' cultural differences. Very, very sharp lady; also one of the #GamerGate 'leadership' if there is such a thing. She pointed out that the g/Gov't overreach in California is killing the state as well as the state's farming industry, and creating a situation where that 30%-80% band can't even survive.

    EDIT Dude, please use your super-mod powers and kill this picture / word wrap problem. With fire.
     
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    krischan Europe Trade Moderator

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    I fear that the only method to make the top 1 or 3% less wealthy is overthwrowing everything and getting rid of them in some manner. Unfortunately, this will be a bloody isue and things are more likely to evolve to the worse. Even if it was a success, things will inevitably lead to an increasing imbalance again.

    Regarding the picture formatting weirdness, it would be halfway fine if the pic could be aligned to the left side, but I haven't found a way to achieve that.
     
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    I just did some experimenting with Firefox Inspector and temporarily removed the class identifier from posted images:
    Code:
    class="bbCodeImage LbImage"
    ...and the images went back to the left where they're supposed to be! Playing around a bit further (removing just "bbCodeImage", then just "LbImage") I found that the LbImage class tag was causing the problem. My guess is that in the style sheet or source file where that class is defined, there's a...
    Code:
    float: right
    ...entry within a...
    img.LbImage {}
    ...or a...
    .LbImage {}
    ...entry that is hard aligning images with that class to the right.

    So yeah, get someone in there to kill it with fire.
     
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    krischan Europe Trade Moderator

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    That's a perfect excuse to bump up the "picture weirdness" thread in the mod forum!
     
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    Make sure to use a good picture for the demonstration, which makes reference to the idea of killing this problem with fire.

    I nominate this one:


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    This is the reason conservatives and libertarians can say with some validity that the socialists and democrats are indeed the party of envy.

    It shouldn't matter much wealth someone has. What business is it of anyone else? What ought to matter to society, and matter a great deal, is how that wealth is used. With the "Panama Papers" we see yet again how class and Gov't can play significant parts in creating corruption. How can "a rising tide lift all boats" or "trickle down economics" (both of which are completely legitimate Reaganisms) possibly function when the money is not only deliberately removed from the environment it should function within, but additionally the responsibility for that money's use is being deliberately hidden?

    It's like this - wealth is political power, so your currency is your vote. By hiding this wealth, these people have separated their political power from accountability for their political actions & results - meaning that people can and have acted like the pr0n starlet's scenario of the cheating producer postulates. George Soros has broken a significant number of such laws and has never been held to account for doing so, yet if he is proven to have played the other side of his claims at the same time it's easy convictions for things like insider trading, fraud, &c.
     
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    Envy is the brother of greed, a character flaw typically assigned to "the rich". I'm pretty sure there's more envy among the rich than among the poor.

    Of course, if somebody comes along and tells the poor that he will make them less poor, he might give them hope again and that might motivate them to support him. That's not envy yet. I agree that gaining power by making others following you can lead to corruption (e.g. making them satisfy your desires like greed or envy), but that's not a matter of the color of the flag under which they gather.

    How is it ensured that wealth is used in a proper manner? A rising tide does only lifts boats with no leaks, so causing a flood tide isn't enough. You aslo have to take care that the people somehow get into a boat with no leaks. The trick here is to define what makes up a boat with no leak and if there are people in leaking boats, what's to be done.
     
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    See, your presumption that there is a "proper manner" implies there's someone centrally managing how & what is "proper". The Panama papers reveal that those people you put trust in were busily ensuring that their boats weren't in the water at all.

    Problem is, of course, that this is turned into grist for political mills, like John Kerry hiding his yacht in another state to avoid paying taxes in his own. This why the TEA party came into being, and obviously why both political sides went after it with axes. Neither side wants to really admit that they're no better than organized crime and taxes are essentially protection rackets.

     

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