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The needs of the casual player.....

Discussion in 'Diablo 2 Community Forum' started by Wolv, Mar 9, 2004.

  1. Wolv

    Wolv IncGamers Member

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    The needs of the casual player.....

    Was just noticing a few threads/comments from casual players, and it got me thinking about it.

    Its pretty tough trading nowadays. As time goes on, peeps get rich, as do their wants/needs. Its getting to the point where mostly elite items are being traded heavily, while the rest of the uniques gather dust. Its even tough on the trade channels. Most of the traders are heavy-duty mfers who spend a lot of time doing it. Its like looking at a Ford Escort (casual player) vs a Dodge Viper (serious player) - in the beginning things are kinda close, but over time the distance(needs) increase exponentially.

    It would be nice to have a trade section for the casual player simply looking for low - mid level items (U can have rules there such as 'NO RUNE WORD ITEMS' 'NO SOJ' 'NO RUNES OVER SHAEL' I know I have a bunch of items collecting dust (bartucs, bstars), and I don't even bother keeping decent items like Silk of the Victor anymore....

    Its just getting to the point where it is very discouraging for the casual player to trade w/o being involved in a casual group.

    I am by no means asking for any of this to happen. Just thinking out loud is all....
     
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    PhsycoTimmay IncGamers Member

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    I do agree, I also do mfin here and there, and I have found my share of elite items, but most of which I am keeping, and do not plan to trade, but when I do find something I want to trade (usually low-mid lvl items) I cant find anyone that wants them, because the D2 economy is based on runes, runewords, etc...Although I dont see a definite change in the D2 economy any time soon, I would be cool to have a "channel" or some gathering place that "casual" D2 players could sit and trade, talk, etc... But some things just wont happen
     
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    Frenzied Bovine IncGamers Member

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    I find that "equip 4 pgems" games works great in nightmare difficulty, and brings people who need mid-level uniques and have pgems to offer.
     
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    Get runes and pgems...by far the best currency.

    I have increased my item stash 10 fold with runes and pgems alone.
     
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    Yep. Wife and I used to sell our junk finds for pgems and mid runes (eg Ral, Thul, Shael). You'd be surprised at the gear that gets sold off for Rals.

    Basically, sell your stuff to the masses and then buy the stuff you really want with the resulting rals/pgems in forum selloffs.

    Someone over in the USEast forum is selling a hoz and wf for most pgems offered.
     
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    Ditto, I haven't even played the game since last Thursday. It's so hard to keep up with the Joneses, when they have more hours of play per day than you.

    So that's why I usually hold a giveaway. Yet I haven't had the time to even MF enough to hold another giveaway for the last 2 months or so.

    If you're intent on trading away mid stuff stuff, you'd have to do it with a gimmick. I've thought up 2 gimmicks that I would have used to get rid of tons of stuff if I had tons of stuff to get rid of if I didn't give it away.

    1. If you had 2 or more of one item do a buy 1 get 1 free. Or a buy 1 get 1 free of item in the same category.

    2. Put up a few items that are somewhat valuable up for guessing of the stats (the ones with variable stats of course). But only allow guesses for the people that do trade with you. If they amazingly guess the stats correctly, then give it to them. Of course you shouldn't show anyone the item before hand. And note that if anyone buys it or challenges that their guess is correct and wants to see the stats, just announce that you put the item on void thus allowing no other traders to guess the stats anymore.

    Gimmicks might or might not help you get that edge. But for me, I'm more inclined to give it away; much easier. I know there's no gain through that, but then you realize you don't have the room either to get more stuff from MFing.
     
  7. Usufruct

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    I don't think an Escort and a Viper are good comparisons since they will never ever be close at all (with the exception of at the starting line) :)
     
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    Hrmm...i always thought it'd be funny to see a ford escort in a nice sporty red..maybe that would even the playing field?? :lol: :lol:
     
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    They are good comparisons, because a casual player can't really catch up with a serious player...not without using something outside the game (buying on ebay and the like)
     
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    It was a joke, Lordy.
     
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    Darn flew right over my head :(

    *hangs head in shame*
     
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    The gap between the hardcore and casual players is always going to exist. There is simply no way to even the playing field without destroying many of the factors that makes D2 such a fun and addicting game.

    One's ability to become 'wealthy' in D2 are based on these factors:

    1. The amount of time you can spend playing.

    2. Your shrewdness in handling trades.

    3. The number of friends you have.

    As far as the lack of a market for lower-end items, I'm not sure I agree. I've made countless trades using only low-mid runes and PGems. I've traded with them and I've traded for them.

    Items like those you cited (Bartucs and BStar) are not expensive to trade for because they are fairly easy to find and thus there are many of them up for trade. However, I've traded for these things also -- so it isn't that nobody wants them.

    Frenzied Bovine offered an excellent suggestion as to how to convert less valuable gear into currency that you can use to get the things you want. Use the trade forums here on this site. There are great deals going on all the time.
     
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    It would be nice for Blizzard to add more lower level stuff thats useful for highlevel ones (they did this nicely in 1.10)...this ensures a synergy between casual and hardcore players that leaves noone frustrated.
     
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    Nobody frustrated except for me... frustrated because charsi will not make mad lesbian love to my sorceress, that is :D
     
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    LOL, I was looking for a single player Util called "Charsis Stash" (old old one)...the second link in google however was some lesbian story about Charsi and a sorceress...hillarious.

    EDIT: Before anyone starts a mad dash for google, this was a long time ago.
     
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    What I posted wasn't necessarily in reference to myself - just observations. I play enuff to have made two hotos from self-found runes, but not enuff to make/trade for an enigma. I'd say I'm a tweener (A Ford Mustang mebbe?)

    If you jump in a bnet trade channel, 90% of the items spammed there are elites. Once in a great while U see the low item asked for or offered. Its a bit frustrating for someone to sift thru all that, and ofttimes are ridiculed for being a 'noob'.

    The market for low-end items is low, cuz the market is primarily made up of elite mfers/traders who rarely waste their time collecting low-end items. All I'm saying is it would be nice if there could be a known area just for low-end, casual play trades. Obviously it wouldn't get used near as much because casual players don't log near the playtime, which is probably why such an area doesn't exist.

    The casual player is just that - casual. Many of em do not spend/have the time to know about some of the excellent trade suggestions put forth here. I doubt a casual player wishes to spend time making Pgem after Pgem. They'd rather trade that Tal Mask straight up for the Carin Shard they've been looking for....

    Another suggestion for casual trades is joining the Norm 'Low Level Trades' games....they are pretty effective also.
     
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    HAHAHA! The sad part is that you even had to say that.


    Wolv: I know where you're coming from. I would be more than happy to wipe the forum on my personal website and use it as a low/mid/rares trading center - right now they're not being used for anything! If you think people would come I'd gladly go for it, it could be cool. PM me about it or something.

    On the other hand, it is true that pgems and mid runes can really get you a lot. For a casual player like myself its what allows me to get some decent things without having to play for 1000 hours.
     
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    I made a mad dash for google and searched for like 10 minutes and I read this just now. ROAR! :)
     
  20. Frenzied Bovine

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    It's all part of supply and demand. There is very little demand for low level items - or should I say, there is very little worthwhile demand. No offense, but it's true - i'm better off throwing away mid-level uniques/sets than I am keeping them, because i'll never get anything that justifies hogging a 2x4 place in my stash for a week. If I can't shift it immediately, i'm not holding onto it.

    It's getting to the point where I don't keep elite uniques. Eg, if I pick up a bad chance guard or vipermagi, it gets thrown out. +3 ariocs? Not good enough; thrown out. Windhammer? Gone. Heck, Aldurs is an automatic throw-out for me, i'm so sick of seeing it, and M'avinas items, and Orphan's Call items, or Heaven's Brethren items, or Sigon's/Angelic/Cathan's (perfect low level garbage). GO AWAY I HATE YOU ITAMS!!!!

    There needs to be a place that gives me a reason NOT to chuck that stuff out - eg, a place where I can go and fill requests for mid-level or "imperfect" gear, without ripping them off and without them ripping ME off. Charity is all well and good, and i've done my share of it, but quite frankly i'm not going to keep ferrying items around for free.

    A perfect place would be a low level trade forum, where pgems are the only accepted currency. But to be honest, forums are fairly self-regulating and this sort of thing happens anyway all on it's own. What YOU need to do is collect all that junk, sell it to newbs for pgems and rals/thuls then keep your eye open in the forums (dii.net or battle.net) for pgem selloffs.

    Usufruct.. hook me up :D
     

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