The Hammerdin's guide to 1pt smiting Uber Trist

Valgar

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The Hammerdin's guide to 1pt smiting Uber Trist

So I just started playing d2 again after 5 years away. The ladder reset so I though it would be a good time to come back and not feel bad since I have 0 items and 0 characters. Wanting to get rich quick, I read a few guide on how to do Uber runs, but I didn’t want to make a smiter, this is what I came up with:

First and foremost, if you have not yet read the 1pt smiter guide, please go read it before you continue to read this guide.

http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=425449

Ok now that you know how to 1 pt smiter ubers, the questions is how can you do this on a hammerdin? I asked myself this and I thought: because you don’t have fanta for the IAS and damage.

*note: while fanta also gives AR, this does not matter for smite.

I crunched the numbers, fanta gives very little damage over Concentration:

Lvl 20 fanta: 374% damage

Lvl 20 Concentration: 345% damage

So enhanced damage in not a problem here and Concentration works fine with smite.

Second main problem is IAS, fanta gives loads of it (35% at lvl 20) and Concentration gives non.

So the trick is simply this: pick a fast weapon, add some IAS from gear, that’s all.

With a simple gear swap, my paladin goes from 100% hammerdin to uber killing smiter.
I have a level ** hammerdin, I followed the standard hammerdin build:

Max Blessed Aim
Max Vigor
Max Concentration
Max Blessed Hammers
The rest into Holy Shield

I have done 3 uber trist runs and gotten three torches so far.


The only gear suggestions I will make in this thread are weapons, for other gear please read the 1 pt smiter guide.
These are the ONLY weapons I would suggest for a hammerdin/smiter. Your goal is to reach 7 fpa (frames per attack) which is the second to last break point. If you do not reach this, you likely will not be attacking fast enough for the life tap to heal you enough, therefore you die.

Below are the weapons you shoul use in order of preference.

Using the IAS calculator this is what I came up with:
http://diablo3.ingame.de/tips/calcs/weaponspeed.php?lang=english


4. Stormlash (socket it sheal) (-10 IAS base) (50% IAS)
*Need 10% MORE IAS from other gear to reach 7 fpa (frames per attack)

3. Heaven’s Light (socket it sheal, sheal) (0 IAS base) (60% IAS) *Need 30% MORE IAS from other gear to reach 7 fpa (frames per attack)

2. Astreon's Iron Ward (socket it sheal) (-10 IAS base) (30% IAS)
*Need 30% More IAS from other gear to reach 7 fpa (frames per attack)

1. Grief Phase Blade (-30 base IAS) (60-70% IAS)
*7 fpa (frames per attack) already reached, need 25-35% MORE IAS from other gear to reach 6 fpa (frames per attack) ? the final breakpoint.


My Smitter gear I use:

Weapon: Heaven’s Light (33% CB, sheal sheal socked)
Shield: Griswolds honor (3 p diamonds, +102 all res)
Switch weapon: Life tap wand
Helm: Gullumes socked with IAS Jewel (+35% CB)
Boots: Goblin Toe (25% crushing blow)
Gloves: Crafted blood gloves, 20% IAS, 9% crushing blow
Ring 1: Raven Frost
Ring 2: Dwarf Star
Ammy: Magic +27 all res ammy
Armor: Guardian Angel (unsocketed)

With this gear I have 102% crushing blow, I recommend have high CB since you will be attacking slower then most fanta smiters, but with high CB Ubers will still die very quickly.

Strat: When doing the mini ubers, I go in with full hammerdin gear, clear the minions with hammers, go back to town and switch on smiter gear, then kill the bosses. This makes getting to izzy very easy. I have various resist charms in backpack, the result is +90 all res in hell, I still use salvation when doing meph though, just to be safe.


Post any questions, but please read other guides before this one, it was not meant to be all-inclusive.
 
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williamchan

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Simple, quick to the point, good guide IMO. Thanks.
 

Bjam

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Other weapon options: Beast and Spineripper?
 

Bjam

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You can get a -10 speed axe and with 40% IAS and Fanatacism you'll hit the 7fpa break atomatically, and can reach the 6fpa mark easily.
 
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Valgar

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Other weapon options: Beast and Spineripper?
Thank you for you input.

Beast is definitely interesting, I had not looked into it before. Not sure why you mentioned Spineripper, I don't see anything there that is better then Stormclash, which should be very cheap.

Back to the topic of Beast, I think if you found a very nice 50s Caduceus and created Beast in that it *might* be better then a grief pb for this build. Lvl 9 fanta gives 29% IAS

So you are at 69% IAS

The break point for 7 fpa (60%) is reached as you stated, however the final break point is still 60% IAS away (129% IAS). It is still possible to reach, but at this point I look at the alternatives and do not see the point. You can pretty easily reach 7fpa with Shael socked Astreon's, and you will get higher CB and +dmg mod that will help you out quite a bit. Astreon's will also be cheaper then Ber + Mal needed for Beast.

Lastly greif and Beast are about the same price, and if you use greif pb you can easily hit 6 fpa without the fanta that Beast gives, and you will be doing huge amounts of smite damage.

So all in all, unless you wanted to be different (Werebear pally?) I would have to say greif would be a better choice since they are about the same price.

However, this has sparked my interest and perhaps if I get rich I will make a werebear pally one day :)


 

Painman

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Remember that Fanat's IAS is EIAS which directly affects base wepaon speed. Using a Beast Caddy or War Spike, you'll actually hit 6 frame Smite with just 10% more IAS. If you're wearing Highlord's, you're set.

It's an interesting option indeed. :)

Edit: Out of curiosity I recalculated for a Berserker Axe - that would require 30% more.
 

Valgar

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Ah, I did not know that of fanta, thank you.

Edit: Question, can you use Smite if you are a Pally in Werebear form? I have never used Beast or the werewolf barb howl helm, so I have no clue what skills are available when other characters are shape shifting.
 

williamchan

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Ah, I did not know that of fanta, thank you.

Edit: Question, can you use Smite if you are a Pally in Werebear form? I have never used Beast or the werewolf barb howl helm, so I have no clue what skills are available when other characters are shape shifting.
Would be sexy if it could be done, making the Uber killing way easier with Bear hp buff. Sadly I want to know too :nod:



 

BurthusXp

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Hi,

I tried to convert my hammerdin into a smiter. I have a question though. My equipment is similar to what you posted in the first post, but my damage output is (only) ~200-800 damage. Im not familiar with smiter but this does sound a bit low. Am I right, what could i try to change this?
 

williamchan

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what's your hammerdin gear btw? Please correct me if I am wrong but the gear you are using for the ubers seems pretty cheap right?
 

Valgar

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Hello all,

quick update:

*Note about Uber Duriel: He has Holy Freeze aura and therefor freezes even if you have a raven frost, this severely cuts down your attack speed. Using my most recent gear, I still cannot kill Uber duriel on my own, I need the help on my merc. What happens is this: Crushing blow gets uber duriel down about 1/8th life quickly, at this point crushing blow stops working. Since you Ubers regen life so fast, and Duriel has so much life, I cannot kill him before he regens since I am not doing a lot of smite damage. Basically I go solo, I get him down to 1/8 to 1/16 and then we both just sit there hitting each other, forever. I cant kill him and he cant kill me (with life tap). So to kill him, you have 3 options, bring a friend who does decent dmg (~4k?), bring your merc who does decent dmg (4k with ur aura) Or bring and friend/merc with Prevent Monster Heal(stops the regen). In case you were wondering, Prevent Monster Heal does NOT work with smite, so Natures Peace is of no use here... Currently I kill duriel with just me and my insight merc (eth cv, he does about 6k dmg) I can solo all other ubers and mini ubers without the help of merc, I think this is because of duriels Holy freeze making me attack to slow to kill him.

Now onto the good stuff, since posting this guide I got a few new items that have made ubering twice as easy.

Astreon's Iron Ward helps out SOOO much with the damage, before using Heaven's light, I was barely doing enough damage to to stay alive using Life Tap. Now with Astreon's I can take Meph and Lilth with ease (they used to give me problems, but could eventually beat them)

Second item I picked up is a Wisp Projector for killing Meph (10-20% Lit absorb, mine has 16%) Meph can be a real pain, mostly it is his lit attack that gets me, so stack a LOT of lit res, keep conc on cuz u need the extra dmg to stay alive with life tap.

Besides that, my items haven't really changed. With these current items ubers are pretty darn easy and I do not see the need to upgrade any of them, although eventually I will pick a grief pb, mara's, HoZ, maybe drac's (but wand works fine once you are used to it) I like the extra 10% Goblin Toe give over Gores, and I only wear goblin toe when uber so slow rw is not a problem, so I likely wont get gores.

Tonight I did my seventh Uber run and finally for a Pally Torch, (others were 2 Asn, 2 Necro, 1 Barb, 1 Druid)


At the time of posting my hammerdin gear was:

Helm: Shako
Armor: Viper Magi
Weapon: Spirit sword (33%)
Shield: +45 all res normal pally Spirit shield (32%)
Ring 1: Raven
Ring 2: Magic 10% fcr with +manna
Gloves: Magefists
Boots: Tearhaunch (Great boots btw)
Belt: Credendum (Great belt too!)
Ammy: Magic +2 all pally skills

This gear gives Max FCR: 125%

With the above set up + some decent +all res charms I have max res in hell, and goto and beat any part of the game. I have been doing hell forge rushes (including diablo and achients) with good results. Now I have some better items, but not a lot has changed.


@williamchan

Yes my smiter gear is pretty cheap, the main things you need when you go ubering, no matter how you get it or what items you use are: Max res, High Crushing Blow (over 50%) Fast attack speed (at least 7 fpa), Life tap (dracs or wand, exile) and lastly enuff damage where you can leech back enough to stay alive (I would say 800 smite dmg minimum.)


@BurthusXp

After experience with Heaven's Light and Astreon's, I would HIGHLY recommend Astreon's Iron Ward for this type of build (hammerdin/smiter) cause of the + damage it gives. It is hidden damage, meaning you won't see it in your character window, but you will notice it when smitting and taping life. If you are concerned about your damage, go straight for Astreon's (or grief pb).

Doing 800 damage you will still be able to uber, but you might die a few times in the process. It is mostly practice though. The other thing you might try if you arn't already is using an Elite pally shield, but from the sounds of your dmg you are using Gris shield, which is already a nice elite shield. The last way to get dmg is +skills (combat or +all, + offensive would help a little bit)

As a selfless plug, I actually have an extra Astreon's for trade :) I picked up a low one (+45 dmg mod) then found a better one (+70 dmg mod) that I am using, so the lower one is up for trade. msg me at *valgar (useast ladder softcore) if anyone needs it.

Thanks, as always, questions are welcome.
 
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Bjam

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Looking over my old post, I meant Fleshripper, not Spineripper. It has great mods and is dirt cheap.
 

williamchan

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That hammerdin gear aint top end either, mmm I really dont wanna make a pure smiter since they kinda suck on pvm, nor a 1pt smiter version for ubers which is kinda a zealot/fanatism, how much hammerdin gear do I really need to be able to clear those trash mobs before ubers, so I can focus more on Uber killing gear.
 

jkjoker

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@Vagar

There are a couple points you missed

The reason dracs are so great for an uber smiter is that in addition to lifetap procicng after the initial hit from the lifetap wand (needed for any non exile/lastwish uber smiter), the 25% open wounds stops monster healing.

Secondly, for being able to kill ubers, as long as you ahve 25% CB, DPS > CB since you need to survive. I'd rather have 25 CB @ 6FPA than 90 @ 7FPA.

Thirdly, 6FPA smite is very achievable with conc w/ 60% crushing blow (and very inexpensive: think normal phaseblades + runes)

Thus when you boil it down to it, a paladin with 6 items will be able to solo mini-ubers AND uber tristram efficiently

lifetap wand
An Elite Pally shield (100+ res if possible)
Dracul's Grasp
Guillame's
Goblin Toe
A teleport ammy.

Figure out how to get at least 250 (300 res isn't really needed) total stacked res (with a pally its not that hard) get at least 800 Average damage smite @ 7FPA (should be default with elite shield + HS + conc) and you're good to go.
 

wHyTeCoUnTrY

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When you wear your hammerdin gear what's your hammer dmg at? and also your life? because i know the smite gear is going to require a ***** more str which wud take away form vit right?
 

Valgar

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@williamchan

I wouldn't call them trash mobs :) They can be a real pain. All you really need though is resists and decent FCR to clear them in a solo game. So you can go in with your smiter gear, and have Spirit sword and Spirit shield on switch to hammer the mobs and you should be fine, just remember to put the life tap wand on when you make it to the ubers. Also Nigma or tele ammy can help you get past almost of them and straight to the Ubers.

@jkjoker

Thank you for your added info, I agree with everything you said.

I thought about a socketed phaseblade, but it was kinda my personal preference to use a nice weapon with useful mods (+ dmg, skills and cb) and have high CB rather then just pure speed. But I haven't tried 6fpa yet, is 6 fpa really that much faster then 7 fpa?

@wHyTeCoUnTrY

With that H din gear I was at around 7k hammers and 1700 life, with smiter gear I have about 1500 life, doing around 1k max smite dmg. I used a lot of str charms (mostly to be able to use gris shield) Gullimues helps with str, drac's helps if you can afford one (remember to get ur ias though from somewhere) Now I have a torch which helps with str too.
 

jkjoker

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I think its roughly 20 % faster, which is a fair amount.

My switch gear is

Dracs + goblin toe + wiz spike (shael'd) + lifetap wand (all fits in cube)
Treachery armor
Guillame's

Phase blade + Gris shield on switch (I find CTA unnecessary for PvM and way overpriced for its value atm)

Using wiz + fade prebuff I hit max resists against Meph (8fpa smite) w/ nigma on (as i'm base strength). I can do it without fade prebuff/wizspike pretty easily but I play it safe because I hate losing exp.
 

Valgar

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Can you explain the Treachery armor prebuff? I have never used it.

I know it has % chance to cast fade, so do you but the armor on, go to dark wood or something, get attacked and wait for it to cast? then after it casts switch armor and go into ubers?

Thanks.
 

jkjoker

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go to the fire directly right of the tp in uber trist.

Wait for fade to trigger

:)
 
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