The glove debate again

maxusmag

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The glove debate again

Hmm I just picked up a pair of LOH but I also have a pair of the beloved draculs.

dracs has good defense OW lifetap going in its favor for my zeal/smiter

LOH has some resists but lower defense but the 350% damage to demons is way cool.

this is a pvm build for running the game.

my equipment so far.

LW zerker 357%ed/69% cb
um'ed Hoz
COH
gore riders
tgods belt
highlords
ravonfrost
cathans seal (don't like but it has life leech)
for now rockstopper helm when i get to lvl will switch to crown of the ages.

its the gloves i am not sure about. i like the dracs open wound and xtra lifetap abilities but is the % against demons worth it since LW gives me that as well.

basically zeal is to handle the monster packs and smite is to wail on bosses.

am trying to set him up for hell. he is in nm right now.

the crown of ages as a socket in it what would be good to put in there.
 

Dahmer

Diabloii.Net Member
with the setup you got now you've got 20ias which results in 7fpa smite and 5fpa zeal
to get 6fpa smite you need 52 ias total
to get 4fpa zeal you need 58 ias total

2 ways to get this :
a) using draculs (for total of 35% chance of life tap, extra str, ll and ow)
20 ias from highlords
2 * ias jewel in coa -> 30 ias
ias jewel in hoz -> 15 ias
total of 65 ias -> enough for 6fpa smite and 4fpa zeal

b) using loh (20 ias and +350% dmg to demons but.....doesnt work with smite)
20 ias from highlords
20 ias from loh
2 * ias in coa -> 30 ias
total of 70ias -> enough for 6fpa smite and 4fpa zeal


my choice would go for option a since that gives you all the useful extra mods from draculs that you'll most likely love, only downside to it is that you have to unsocket the hoz (or get another hoz) and find an ias/res jewel if you needed the res from the um

ps :
if you want to use draculs and dont want to unsocket the hoz i would advise you not to do that because going from 5fpa to 4fpa zeal results into an extra 1.2 attacks per second, always aim for fastest attack
 

safetypro

Diabloii.Net Member
with the setup you got now you've got 20ias which results in 7fpa smite and 5fpa zeal
to get 6fpa smite you need 52 ias total
to get 4fpa zeal you need 58 ias total

2 ways to get this :
a) using draculs (for total of 35% chance of life tap, extra str, ll and ow)
20 ias from highlords
2 * ias jewel in coa -> 30 ias
ias jewel in hoz -> 15 ias
total of 65 ias -> enough for 6fpa smite and 4fpa zeal

b) using loh (20 ias and +350% dmg to demons but.....doesnt work with smite)
20 ias from highlords
20 ias from loh
2 * ias in coa -> 30 ias
total of 70ias -> enough for 6fpa smite and 4fpa zeal


my choice would go for option a since that gives you all the useful extra mods from draculs that you'll most likely love, only downside to it is that you have to unsocket the hoz (or get another hoz) and find an ias/res jewel if you needed the res from the um

ps :
if you want to use draculs and dont want to unsocket the hoz i would advise you not to do that because going from 5fpa to 4fpa zeal results into an extra 1.2 attacks per second, always aim for fastest attack
Option c,
Trade LW Zerker for LW PB and you only need 10IAS to reach 4frame attack. Or get a Grief PB and you'll need none.
Keep your Drac's, you really won't regret it.



 

niner

Diabloii.Net Member
use crafted blood gloves for stats,ias,res,cb,life,str,dex,ar.

puts dumpy drac gloves to shame. throw em away. get lw phase blade.
 

HCKull

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use crafted blood gloves for stats,ias,res,cb,life,str,dex,ar.

puts dumpy drac gloves to shame. throw em away. get lw phase blade.
Only an idiot would give up Life Tap for "stats,ias,res,cb,life,str,dex,ar"

You ever see a pally surrounded by 100 hell cows and kill them all without dying ? They can do it because of Life Tap.



 

mythos

Diabloii.Net Member
Last wish zerk is not a great weapon for a zealer. Its just a pain in the butt to repair all the time. I'd go with either of these combos lwpb/loh or greif pb/drac's. My 1pt smiter uses the greif/drac's option.
LW has a ton of great mod's, but I always end up going back to greif. It just kills stuff faster!
 

maxusmag

Diabloii.Net Member
That is one thing that I noticed it damages pretty easily. I think it is just the zerker itself.

however i do not have any issues in killing things of course i am still in nm at this point. One thing i know i am going to have to find is natures peace.

I see issues with being swarmed by devilkin and undead in certain lvls.

i saw the stats on blood they suck compared to dracs or loh.

i know once i get to wear dracs am lvl 65 right now 10 more to go.
it will improve more.

i like the ax mostly do to damage. i think adding some good poisen charms and ias+res charms will fix it.

i think i will stick with dracs and trade the loh's off.

as for gold that isn't an issue i have a necro that manages 200k+ gold on a given run so that end of it is taken care of.

PS my AP nigma is way more expensive to repair than lw.
 

niner

Diabloii.Net Member
Only an idiot would give up Life Tap for "stats,ias,res,cb,life,str,dex,ar"

You ever see a pally surrounded by 100 hell cows and kill them all without dying ? They can do it because of Life Tap.
Only a retard would use dracs with a last wish that has lifetap already. You ever see a slow pally in a cow game?

they have no ias + coupled with a slower speed zerker axe= slow pally=dead pally.

Also phase blade doesnt need repair and has +30 ias vs a zerker. If you go last wish route on zealot use the PB.

If you go grief route get an exile+blood gloves. Still superior to crappy dracs whos only saving grace for melee gloves is lifetap

With crafted gloves you can tailor the stats to best fit your needs of what you are lacking albiet res,str,dex,ar,IAS etc...... the basic stats on them are CB,STR,Life they roll up every time. its the extra mods that can be crafted on them that make em so good.

If you dont see the logic in that then you are beyond help sorry.



 

kohlman

Diabloii.Net Member
For simplicity and easability to obtain versus taking the time to find several diferent items, I personally choose Dracs over crafted simply because I dont get on enough to waste the time crafting instead of playing. I also trist every once in a while and exile doesn't always cast LT in time so the extra chance from dracs along with the open wounds for prevent uber heal helps. As I have been a zealer player since the beginning of Diablo 2 classic, Life leech is the most vital thing a PvM zealer can have, and dracs offers a good amount of LL as well.

As a rule of thumb, get dracs first, then if you think it helps that much more, search for some crafted gloves, as they have better appeal since they are much more rare.

P.S. everyone can be helped, thats why people answer questions. some poeple just dont accept it in the form you give it
 

maxusmag

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Only a retard would use dracs with a last wish that has lifetap already. You ever see a slow pally in a cow game?

they have no ias + coupled with a slower speed zerker axe= slow pally=dead pally.

Also phase blade doesnt need repair and has +30 ias vs a zerker. If you go last wish route on zealot use the PB.

If you go grief route get an exile+blood gloves. Still superior to crappy dracs whos only saving grace for melee gloves is lifetap

With crafted gloves you can tailor the stats to best fit your needs of what you are lacking albiet res,str,dex,ar,IAS etc...... the basic stats on them are CB,STR,Life they roll up every time. its the extra mods that can be crafted on them that make em so good.

If you dont see the logic in that then you are beyond help sorry.
Unless they have changed the stats on blood gloves
Crushing Blow (5-10)%
(1-3)% Life Stolen Per Hit
+(10-20) To Life

is what you get.

dracs is much better than this. as for the phase blade it still has to be repaired and the damage i lower than the zerker.

lifetap doesn't always trigger and since i am using hoz instead of exile which i like the additional lifetap is good.

i play nl so i can't afford a grief anything at this point they are going for 10 sojs or more depending on stats.



 

Yossarian

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Unless they have changed the stats on blood gloves
Crushing Blow (5-10)%
(1-3)% Life Stolen Per Hit
+(10-20) To Life

is what you get.
You're going to get owned by someone now. It's obvious you've never crafted before. This stats are auto, then rare stats are added to that.



 

maxusmag

Diabloii.Net Member
I am just going by what the guide says about those gloves. that is all nothing more nothing less. i am not going to get owned by anyone. those are the stats that the sites list for craft blood gloves.
 

niner

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I am just going by what the guide says about those gloves. that is all nothing more nothing less. i am not going to get owned by anyone. those are the stats that the sites list for craft blood gloves.
At least you are reading the guides man! :thumbsup:

Now go look up the durability stat and ias on a phase blade vs a berserker axe.



 

maxusmag

Diabloii.Net Member
zerk ax unless it has changed as a weapon speed of 0

phase blade is -10

durability wise zerk is at 22.

i need a ias of 65 to get to a 4 break point with smite.

i have 35 from fan
i have another 20 from highlords
right now i am spout a pair of lavagout which gives me another 20.

for 75 total. or if i wear loh i get 75 as well.

when i switch to dracs it will be at 55. i have a helm with an open socket which i can stick a ias jewel in 10 should do it. or find a ring or something.
 

Dahmer

Diabloii.Net Member
I am just going by what the guide says about those gloves. that is all nothing more nothing less. i am not going to get owned by anyone. those are the stats that the sites list for craft blood gloves.
http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp said:
Crafted Items have 3-4 Fixed Properties
Each Crafted Item has one or more fixed properties. For example, there are some Crafted Items guaranteed to have from 5-10% Chance of Crushing Blow. Often the Fixed Properties are not available normally on Magic or Rare Items. It's also nice to be able to create an item knowing which fixed magical bonuses are going to always appear which is not the case with Magic or Rare Items.

Crafted Items have 1-4 Random Magical Prefixes/Suffixes
On top of those fixed properties, a Crafted Item can have from 1-4 standard Rare and Magic Prefix and Suffixes. These are generated pretty much the same way as a Rare item.
3-4 fixed mods and 1-4 random prefixes/suffixes (these random mods are rare only mods)
so basically besides this :
Crushing Blow (5-10)%
(1-3)% Life Stolen Per Hit
+(10-20) To Life

add to that you can also have these on them :
+101-200% Defense (prefix)
+10-15 to Strength (suffix)
+10-15 to Dexterity (suffix)
20% Attack Speed Increase (suffix)

can anybody verify that its possible to have 3 suffixes on crafted/rare items? i havent crafted in a while so cant remember :grin:

*edit*
phase blade is -30 base but you were right about the zerk though



 

Botadio

Diabloii.Net Member
zerk ax unless it has changed as a weapon speed of 0

phase blade is -10

durability wise zerk is at 22.

i need a ias of 65 to get to a 4 break point with smite.

i have 35 from fan
i have another 20 from highlords
right now i am spout a pair of lavagout which gives me another 20.

for 75 total. or if i wear loh i get 75 as well.

when i switch to dracs it will be at 55. i have a helm with an open socket which i can stick a ias jewel in 10 should do it. or find a ring or something.
Ok enough about that here are the real numbers...

Phase blade
Speed -30
Indestructible

Berserker Axe
Speed 0
Durability 26

Numbers given by area summit. Some of you should visit that site some time

Now with this very handy calculation sheet you can punch in the numbers to see how much IAS is needed to reach what breakpoints. But for the heck of it I did it for you.

Any Phase Blade (This also means LastWish since it has no IAS on it) with level 20 fanatism will only require 11% IAS from anywhere to reach 4fpa on Zeal and 8% to reach 6fpa on Smite. The real kicker with Phase blade and fanatism is that if you use Grief Phase Blade you need no other source of IAS at all.

Now same number with Berserker Axe (fanat lvl 20 no IAS on the weap) 60% is needed for 4fpa Zeal and 54% needed for 6fpa Smite.

Now choose whatever you like but know that when you reach the last breakpoint anymore is overkill.


That should end the debate for fanatic smiter or fanatic zealot of fanatic zealot smiter



 
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