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The glove debate again

Discussion in 'Paladin' started by maxusmag, Nov 20, 2006.

  1. maxusmag

    maxusmag IncGamers Member

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    The glove debate again

    Hmm I just picked up a pair of LOH but I also have a pair of the beloved draculs.

    dracs has good defense OW lifetap going in its favor for my zeal/smiter

    LOH has some resists but lower defense but the 350% damage to demons is way cool.

    this is a pvm build for running the game.

    my equipment so far.

    LW zerker 357%ed/69% cb
    um'ed Hoz
    COH
    gore riders
    tgods belt
    highlords
    ravonfrost
    cathans seal (don't like but it has life leech)
    for now rockstopper helm when i get to lvl will switch to crown of the ages.

    its the gloves i am not sure about. i like the dracs open wound and xtra lifetap abilities but is the % against demons worth it since LW gives me that as well.

    basically zeal is to handle the monster packs and smite is to wail on bosses.

    am trying to set him up for hell. he is in nm right now.

    the crown of ages as a socket in it what would be good to put in there.
     
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    PheonixLeader IncGamers Member

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    Since you switch for smite, i'll stich with dracul to get quick LL (Tap).
     
  3. Dahmer

    Dahmer IncGamers Member

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    with the setup you got now you've got 20ias which results in 7fpa smite and 5fpa zeal
    to get 6fpa smite you need 52 ias total
    to get 4fpa zeal you need 58 ias total

    2 ways to get this :
    a) using draculs (for total of 35% chance of life tap, extra str, ll and ow)
    20 ias from highlords
    2 * ias jewel in coa -> 30 ias
    ias jewel in hoz -> 15 ias
    total of 65 ias -> enough for 6fpa smite and 4fpa zeal

    b) using loh (20 ias and +350% dmg to demons but.....doesnt work with smite)
    20 ias from highlords
    20 ias from loh
    2 * ias in coa -> 30 ias
    total of 70ias -> enough for 6fpa smite and 4fpa zeal


    my choice would go for option a since that gives you all the useful extra mods from draculs that you'll most likely love, only downside to it is that you have to unsocket the hoz (or get another hoz) and find an ias/res jewel if you needed the res from the um

    ps :
    if you want to use draculs and dont want to unsocket the hoz i would advise you not to do that because going from 5fpa to 4fpa zeal results into an extra 1.2 attacks per second, always aim for fastest attack
     
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    safetypro IncGamers Member

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    Option c,
    Trade LW Zerker for LW PB and you only need 10IAS to reach 4frame attack. Or get a Grief PB and you'll need none.
    Keep your Drac's, you really won't regret it.



     
  5. niner

    niner IncGamers Member

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    use crafted blood gloves for stats,ias,res,cb,life,str,dex,ar.

    puts dumpy drac gloves to shame. throw em away. get lw phase blade.
     
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    beeranon IncGamers Member

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    niner, what's a good base to craft for a zealer/1pt smiter?



     
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    HCKull IncGamers Member

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    Only an idiot would give up Life Tap for "stats,ias,res,cb,life,str,dex,ar"

    You ever see a pally surrounded by 100 hell cows and kill them all without dying ? They can do it because of Life Tap.



     
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    mythos IncGamers Member

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    Last wish zerk is not a great weapon for a zealer. Its just a pain in the butt to repair all the time. I'd go with either of these combos lwpb/loh or greif pb/drac's. My 1pt smiter uses the greif/drac's option.
    LW has a ton of great mod's, but I always end up going back to greif. It just kills stuff faster!
     
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    maxusmag IncGamers Member

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    That is one thing that I noticed it damages pretty easily. I think it is just the zerker itself.

    however i do not have any issues in killing things of course i am still in nm at this point. One thing i know i am going to have to find is natures peace.

    I see issues with being swarmed by devilkin and undead in certain lvls.

    i saw the stats on blood they suck compared to dracs or loh.

    i know once i get to wear dracs am lvl 65 right now 10 more to go.
    it will improve more.

    i like the ax mostly do to damage. i think adding some good poisen charms and ias+res charms will fix it.

    i think i will stick with dracs and trade the loh's off.

    as for gold that isn't an issue i have a necro that manages 200k+ gold on a given run so that end of it is taken care of.

    PS my AP nigma is way more expensive to repair than lw.
     
  10. niner

    niner IncGamers Member

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    Only a retard would use dracs with a last wish that has lifetap already. You ever see a slow pally in a cow game?

    they have no ias + coupled with a slower speed zerker axe= slow pally=dead pally.

    Also phase blade doesnt need repair and has +30 ias vs a zerker. If you go last wish route on zealot use the PB.

    If you go grief route get an exile+blood gloves. Still superior to crappy dracs whos only saving grace for melee gloves is lifetap

    With crafted gloves you can tailor the stats to best fit your needs of what you are lacking albiet res,str,dex,ar,IAS etc...... the basic stats on them are CB,STR,Life they roll up every time. its the extra mods that can be crafted on them that make em so good.

    If you dont see the logic in that then you are beyond help sorry.



     
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    For simplicity and easability to obtain versus taking the time to find several diferent items, I personally choose Dracs over crafted simply because I dont get on enough to waste the time crafting instead of playing. I also trist every once in a while and exile doesn't always cast LT in time so the extra chance from dracs along with the open wounds for prevent uber heal helps. As I have been a zealer player since the beginning of Diablo 2 classic, Life leech is the most vital thing a PvM zealer can have, and dracs offers a good amount of LL as well.

    As a rule of thumb, get dracs first, then if you think it helps that much more, search for some crafted gloves, as they have better appeal since they are much more rare.

    P.S. everyone can be helped, thats why people answer questions. some poeple just dont accept it in the form you give it
     
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    maxusmag IncGamers Member

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    Unless they have changed the stats on blood gloves
    Crushing Blow (5-10)%
    (1-3)% Life Stolen Per Hit
    +(10-20) To Life

    is what you get.

    dracs is much better than this. as for the phase blade it still has to be repaired and the damage i lower than the zerker.

    lifetap doesn't always trigger and since i am using hoz instead of exile which i like the additional lifetap is good.

    i play nl so i can't afford a grief anything at this point they are going for 10 sojs or more depending on stats.



     
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    You're going to get owned by someone now. It's obvious you've never crafted before. This stats are auto, then rare stats are added to that.



     
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    maxusmag IncGamers Member

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    I am just going by what the guide says about those gloves. that is all nothing more nothing less. i am not going to get owned by anyone. those are the stats that the sites list for craft blood gloves.
     
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    niner IncGamers Member

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    At least you are reading the guides man! :thumbsup:

    Now go look up the durability stat and ias on a phase blade vs a berserker axe.



     
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    maxusmag IncGamers Member

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    zerk ax unless it has changed as a weapon speed of 0

    phase blade is -10

    durability wise zerk is at 22.

    i need a ias of 65 to get to a 4 break point with smite.

    i have 35 from fan
    i have another 20 from highlords
    right now i am spout a pair of lavagout which gives me another 20.

    for 75 total. or if i wear loh i get 75 as well.

    when i switch to dracs it will be at 55. i have a helm with an open socket which i can stick a ias jewel in 10 should do it. or find a ring or something.
     
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    3-4 fixed mods and 1-4 random prefixes/suffixes (these random mods are rare only mods)
    so basically besides this :
    Crushing Blow (5-10)%
    (1-3)% Life Stolen Per Hit
    +(10-20) To Life

    add to that you can also have these on them :
    +101-200% Defense (prefix)
    +10-15 to Strength (suffix)
    +10-15 to Dexterity (suffix)
    20% Attack Speed Increase (suffix)

    can anybody verify that its possible to have 3 suffixes on crafted/rare items? i havent crafted in a while so cant remember :grin:

    *edit*
    phase blade is -30 base but you were right about the zerk though



     
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    Botadio IncGamers Member

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    Ok enough about that here are the real numbers...

    Phase blade
    Speed -30
    Indestructible

    Berserker Axe
    Speed 0
    Durability 26

    Numbers given by area summit. Some of you should visit that site some time

    Now with this very handy calculation sheet you can punch in the numbers to see how much IAS is needed to reach what breakpoints. But for the heck of it I did it for you.

    Any Phase Blade (This also means LastWish since it has no IAS on it) with level 20 fanatism will only require 11% IAS from anywhere to reach 4fpa on Zeal and 8% to reach 6fpa on Smite. The real kicker with Phase blade and fanatism is that if you use Grief Phase Blade you need no other source of IAS at all.

    Now same number with Berserker Axe (fanat lvl 20 no IAS on the weap) 60% is needed for 4fpa Zeal and 54% needed for 6fpa Smite.

    Now choose whatever you like but know that when you reach the last breakpoint anymore is overkill.


    That should end the debate for fanatic smiter or fanatic zealot of fanatic zealot smiter



     

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