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The Breeder Project

Discussion in 'Druid' started by TheGreatStickels, Mar 20, 2004.

  1. TheGreatStickels

    TheGreatStickels IncGamers Member

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    The Breeder Project

    The Breeder was a build I began working on in 1.09, the basic Idea was to build a viable druid with my main attacks being the very early summoning skills, Poison Creeper (which is why this build was originally just called a poison creeper druid, that vine is a god), and Spirit Wolves.

    basic skill layout was

    MAX Spirit Wolves
    MAX Poison Creeper
    MAX HoW
    5-10 Dire Wolves
    5-10 Grizzly
    5-10 Oak (sometimes it can be better, especially in multiplayer games when someone else has HoW)
    5-10 either arctic blast or Hurricane, depending on how you like to play.
    prereqs

    *note, may need some tweaking for 1.1, I didn't get much chance to experiment in in 1.1

    Stats... you don't need much, enough str for your gear, enough dex for max block is handy, and everything else is vitality.

    Gear - the main things you need from gear are +skills, resistances, and life. Nothing else is of much importance.

    Anyways, as of a few weeks ago I am completly unable to play D2, my old computer went to hell, I had to get a new one, and I can't find the orignal D2 disk or the CD key for the expansion, and I'm really not willing to pay to buy them both again.

    So, in comes the breeder project, anybody who is willing to take up the task of building this build and getting it through hell, and then collaborating with me in making a guide for this build will receive my old account (granted its not much... but I'm pretty sure it has some decent stuff). In there is my old Breeder LD_FearTheVine, who you can either continue to build on, or if the skills prove to need tweaking for 1.1 you can create a new one, and use what gear I have available for him, its probably not the best gear for the build, but it seemed to be decent enough for the job, though it was difficult.

    The main point of this build was just to prove that it could be done, and work, and it was going well, but I am now currently unable to complete it, so I would like someone to take up the reigns for me and complete my work. I'm not going to let a little thing like 1.1 stand in the way of my breeder being a viable build. Hopefully there is someone as willing as me to take up the underdog and prove everyone wrong.

    Anyone willing? Gear donations to the project would be appreciated as well.
     
  2. memememe173

    memememe173 IncGamers Member

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    what realm? There is a possibility I could take the torch
     
  3. TheGreatStickels

    TheGreatStickels IncGamers Member

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    its on west
     
  4. Salo

    Salo IncGamers Member

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    i dont see the point of it. thats not a bad remark, i just dont see it yet.

    hm.

    max creeper, thats a nice touch if you go like 8 summon gc's and massive summon gear, even hoto.

    i duno what spirit wolves would do maxed vs 10 base??

    shrugs?

    and you did this in 109... :D

    i duno how thats hanging in 1.10.

    get a freakin disk man, you like the game enough!!
    (25 bux gets it all at EBGames in the used section, or just get a burn of it, go give 20 bux for 2 cd keys new from blizzard via email)
     
  5. Sim.The.GoSu

    Sim.The.GoSu IncGamers Member

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    I would do it, but i have nothing on west. Maybe if you could pass some okay gear, i would take up the task.
     
  6. Aerath

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    Go Carrion Wind and save 20 skill points ?
     
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    Sim.The.GoSu IncGamers Member

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    why? there synergies...
     
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    I will do what I can now...

    in saying that at level 45 here is your creeper stats...

    Current Skill Level: 45
    Life: 504-696
    Poison Damage: 262-264
    over 4 seconds
    Mana Cost: 8

    ...

    Take out hoto and enigma, slap 5/5 facets in Deaths Web, Shako and Lidless with 50% bramble...

    396- 397

    :hanky:

    You can kinda take in -50% psn res, but in hell... well..

    Maybe in 1.09, but I'm afraid the vine is just there for Prevent Monster Heal now and nothing more.

    :sadness:

    Sorry,
    ~Kbob

    Edit: Forgot wolves, mah bad!

    Non-Psn setup:

    Wolves
    Mana Cost: 15
    Life: 675-922

    Current Skill Level: 45
    Damage: 1107-1127
    Wolves: 5
    Attack: +1150 percent
    Defense: +490 percent

    HoW
    Current Skill Level: 45
    Life: 1536-1728
    Damage: +328 percent
    Attack: +333 percent
    Radius: 78.6 yards
    Mana Cost: 64

    So, maybe with wolves... this is intrigueing now, though the poison creeper would serve no real purpose. THis is with maximum gear (10 summoning charms, anni, hoto, enigma, shako, arachs, 2 sojs, lidless, maras) so yeah...

    Wolves wouldn't live in hell, unless you have a REALLY high BO off CTA, and then still iffy.
     
  9. ~Kazama Fury~

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    you know that bramble and facet wont boost creeper cause its a minion right? :eek: it might display otherwise, but its been tested.
     
  10. Sim.The.GoSu

    Sim.The.GoSu IncGamers Member

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    I suppose the best build i can think of is max grizz/dires, max tornado, 10 hurri, 10 HoW

    2k nado
    2k dire dmg, 1.6k life (w/o HoW and enraged)
    maybe like 3k dmg with how and maybe 4k with enraged and possibly 5-6k with might.
     
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    TheGreatStickels IncGamers Member

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    Poison Creeper damage is wierd, its listed at 262-264, but oddly enough it seems to kill much more often than it should. It also does some physical damage when it attacks which is not listed. basically the point is its damage seems to be significantly higher than listed

    On its own it could get you through norm and nightmare in 1.09 (maybe not some act bosses in NM on its own, but otherwise yes), I would imagine it could still manage to get you through norm now on its own even in 1.1

    It also serves a purpose in hell in that it messes with monsters and gets them to chase it around, so even if it can't do any real damage it still serves as a distraction to thin the crowds into more managable numbers.

    try the build, its odd how much more effective it is than it seems on paper.
     
  12. Salo

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    Here is my build, fairly simple idea, massively unsimple to do.

    yeah it absolutely owns in normal, crushes the board in seconds. im wondering about a pure summoner build. more pure than 1 tree hunter, one that just uses intense summon gear and doesnt attack. with a might merc. im guessing it could be good if you add a max poison creeper. like fully twinked. gear as follows: *yes i know its rich man's gear, thats the point, and i have it all*

    Enigma
    Harelquins w/ Um
    +3 summons 84 life ammy (so happy)
    Heart of the Oak
    Lidless with Um. (going no block vita build, ss not needed, Eld' whitsans on a switch just in case)
    Arachnid (too bad its not level 65 or something)
    2 bul kathos
    8 summon gc's
    1 annihilus sc
    40 Chance guards
    9 5%res all 7%mfsc's (of course, fully legit, eek)
    ------------
    you get the picture

    12 all skills - rather sweet eh?
    11 Summons

    At level 80, a reasonable level to get to, one where i could still do some areas, yes, mf'ing. :)

    Max Bear
    Max Wolves
    7 Base Spirit Wolves
    Max Creeper ;)
    Max HoWolverine - youll see why.
    1 Carrion vine - cleanup, 24th level, he has no probs.


    43 Bear - 5155-5319 damage PLUS 314% ED from HoW so its gona be big
    43 Dire wolves
    43 Heart of the Wolverine - Bear and doggies arent gona miss
    43 Poison Creeper - man, at this level, whole screen gona light up every second, damage listed dont matter, this skill is my spam skill, triggers often for more damage, just the way it is, no idea how or why.

    HoW vs OS for the simple reason that a bear at that level with dire at that level has 6,600 - 9,000 hitpoints.
    if i ever need them to tank, i can cast a 24th level OS whenever i have to, although i cant forsee the bear needing more than 10,000 hps when i can recast him non stop.

    Might merc as well holding a Doom stick, only thing havent made yet.

    Would it work is the question? im thinking so.

    Other option would be a completely unused breeder type build,
    43 Spirit of the Barbs - 890% damage returned !!!!
    43 Spirit Wolves - quite nice damage !!
    33 Dire - gota cut somewhere
    43 Grizz
    43 Creeper

    Needs a good CTA to make it work, otherwise they would die to easily. other method could be max dire as well and cut back on barbs. might merc again with doom stick.

    yes you can claim that "well hey you using everything possible, course it would work"

    but no. stickels inspires me to try builds that just well, if you build them and make them work, you rule the world :) so whatever it takes.

    i wonder if i had a spellsteal for Decrep charges could i kill hell diablo.
    shrugs.
     
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    Without a point in Poison Creeper, it'll act the same way as the Marrowwalk 'feature'.
     
  14. Salo

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    he's using the creeper as a cast.

    not using it as a synergy for rabies.
     
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    The creeper is a spammable spell to distract and sometimes kill(stop the healing in hell difficutly) enemies.

    This build was originally built around making the best use of the poison creeper, in 1.1 however the creeper will probable just have to just be some kind of support rather than a real weapon.
     
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    yeah well if one chooses to make a massive summons guy, poison creepers gets reeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaallly huge, and its damage does slowly hurt when its all maxed beefy like that.
     
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    yes, yes it does, the poison mat is king.
     
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    I am making this char after my anchantress is done, wish me luck.
     
  19. TheGreatStickels

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    luck wished.

    I'm back in the D2 buisness again, so I'm continueing my work on it as well.
     
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    you east or west?
     

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