Tear my gimp MF necro item build apart

[Affrinard.]

Tear my gimp MF necro item build apart

Howdy all!

I just returned to D2 about a week ago and so far I've taken my fishymancer (props to your guide, Fish!) through all acts and completed all quests as my first and only char so far. He's currently wearing full Trang's after having farmed many pgems. A choice I now feel may have been a mistake. I will list his item and skill distribution :

Trang Helm with ptopaz
Trang Armor with ptopaz
Trang Shield with pdiamond
Trang Belt
Trang Gloves
Marrowwalks (+2, the important stat on these boots)
Ume's Lament (shooting for Leoric's as my next item)
Plain blue amulet with +2 summoning (sucks, I know, trying to get a +3 with MF)
2x plain blue mana rings (both 1xx), 2x blues with MF on swap for runs.

Summoning :
20 RS
20 SM
1 pt in the rest except for FG, revives, and magi.

Poison & Bone
1 Teeth
1 BA
20 CE

Curses
20 AD (I regret this now having +7 to curses but oh well)
1 in all the rest of curses except confuse and attract.

Using this I have merely 137% MF which is quite low. I've considered completely re-building his gear but I spent a lot of pgems getting Trang's so it seems kind of disheartening to see a good set of Trang's go to waste.

 

[Myrakh-2]

The gear is ok, and you're already aiming for the "right" changes. Don't expect to get a +3/mf too early; shoot for a +3 first.

Your curses are f*d up, but you noticed that already.

So far I've only used TO Skelemancers, and I found that +mana on the rings isn't actually needed. I still decided to swap a 25% mf ring for a 23% mf/95 mana, though --- I wouldn't swap a MF ring for "mana only".

As for magic find:
a) put Gull on weaponswitch, along with another TO shield (in this ladder, I still need that Gull... but it's part of my recommended TO setup)
b) collect charms
c) run the math

The math is simple:
effective mf = (mf * c)/(mf + c)
where mf is the mf from your items, and c is
250 for uniques
500 for sets
600 for rares

Now, let's look at a few numbers:

137% mf -> 89% better chance to get a unique
237% mf (with gull) -> 121%
300% mf -> 136%

As you can see, 137% mf isn't that bad at all.

137% mf -> 108% better chance to get a set
237% mf -> 161%
300% mf -> 188%

The gain from more mf is better here, but still: 300% mf would be more than double your current amount, yet the effective gain for sets would only be another 80%.

If you just add a Gull, you're only 15% for uniques and 27% for sets behind a 300% mf setup.

I've skipped the rares, as people tend to want uniques/sets.

Magic items don't get diminishing returns from mf; however, the only magic items people tend to look for are charms, jewels, rings and amulets --- and these are a always at least magic.

 

[Affrinard.]

Thanks, that makes sense.

I know my curses are messed up but I don't feel the "need" to have more skillpoints. My merc uses Arioc's and he has no problem getting me a couple of corpses to raise my army and after that the wheel starts turning. I considered magi and revives but I've started enjoying Countess and Pit runs so the limited amount of space makes them less desirable.

I guess I'll shoot for Leoric + Gull + another TO shield then and work from there while cubing magic rings / amulets hoping for some MF. The min clvl to make a +3 summoning amu off cubing is 80, correct? Should be efficient to raise army then swap to Gull. Nice idea.

[EDIT] I just realized Gull has 100% MF, didn't recall how much it was. Pretty nice even although it has no other good stats. Instantly puts me at 237% and it can probably be had almost for free[/EDIT]

 

[Myrakh-2]

I just realized Gull has 100% MF, didn't recall how much it was.

Hehe... that's why I listed the 237% mf values

it can probably be had almost for free

I haven't played in a while, and haven't tried to trade even longer, but last time I did... no success in getting a Gull. It's still on top of my to-get list. Even did a ton of a1-normal runs but no success yet...

 

[Peacrusher]

Hiya... I like your question though the title of the thread is odd... could it be because of the hostility around here lately?

anyway... if you are on east I could hook you up with a leoric if your willing to trade wing, and belt... I'll even throw in a goldwrap...

I know.. before anyone spazzes on me... not here in trade forum right?

your build is solid cept for curses... but you should have no problem running baal for items.

good luck to ya.

 

[Affrinard.]

I'm on EU but thanks a lot for the great offer!

The title may have been misplaced, I guess I was just really disheartened that getting Trang's might have been a waste.

Mental note : think before you post!

 

[Myrakh-2]

The stats on the Trangs are well known, and can be looked up in places like Arreat Summit. So you knew beforehand that it doesn't come with MF --- or you should have known, if "maximum MF" is what you are after.

It is a bit disappointing that Blizzard didn't put any MF on trangs --- it's certainly one of the better sets, but other commonly used sets like IK or Tal Rasha do have MF built in.