Teaming up on Ubers

[Hilperi]

Teaming up on Ubers

So we have this small group that we are playing with, summoner druid, hammerdin(or k/t assa), hydra sorc, ww barb and a vengeance/conv paladin.

Would it be possible to kill ubers with this group? Can they even be grouped? Would a druids bear be a viable tank?

We play untwinked prettymuch, but have bought few items with pgems, and could buy some cheap ones more if needed.

Thank you for answers.

 

[LokiLoF]

A Werebear is the best possible tank. It got huge life and huge defense. Combined with FC and Shockwave its a one-hit-killer and got great crowd control.

The WW-Barbarian sucks in my opinion. Pure Frenzy, beserk, or a Concentrationbarb are more useful.

 

[Hilperi]

Our druid only has a point in werebear for more hp and few more in lycantrophy for duration, most of the points are in summon grizzly and synergies :<

 

[LokiLoF]

Our druid only has a point in werebear for more hp and few more in lycantrophy for duration, most of the points are in summon grizzly and synergies :<

A summon-Druid shouldn't tank. He'd rather act like a hunter with a bow or something. If you want to have a Druid who can tank you have to go for a Fireclaw/Shockwave werebear or a so called 'Kodiak'.

What damage does the Hydrasorc do btw? I don't think hydra is any good.

P.s. The damage of my beserker would be sick combined with that conviction-Pally.

 

[Hilperi]

Ok, well our chars are allready ~70-80lvls in act4hell, and I supose we will try ubers as soon as we manage to collect the keys etc for it, its realy ok to die as there are not much to go for after hell baal anyways

I was just wondering if the grizzly bear would survive on tanking with maby salvation aura on the hammerdin on for topping resist, and what is it like anyways behind the portal? Lots of random spawns etc? I have not managed to find any complete description of it anywhere, also the organ set bosses or whatever are a bit of a mystery

Im not sure about the hydra sorcs dmg atm, he just changed from a lit sorc, didnt like the fact that you have to stand still when casting, and allways need a line of sight for the enemies. Hydra is a bit lower dmg, but much easier to use, he will prolly add meteor in there too with the remaining points...

 

[LokiLoF]

Im not sure about the hydra sorcs dmg atm, he just changed from a lit sorc, didnt like the fact that you have to stand still when casting, and allways need a line of sight for the enemies. Hydra is a bit lower dmg, but much easier to use, he will prolly add meteor in there too with the remaining points...

Hmm, then I'd rather go for fireball. Anyway, it will be a hell of a hard time killing them with this set up. The WW-barb is totally useless btw. I wonder wether you guys make it vs the Ubers.

P.s. Your Palladin should never switch to salvation just for the Grizzly Bear. The Bear does hardly any damage, while conviction will make your sorc and your paladin do huge damage.

P.s.2 The more mystery, the more fun.

P.s.3 Why did you place this in the hardcore forum?

 

[Hilperi]

Well we have 2paladins, one with conv and other is the hammerdin with concentration, he could maby swap that for salvation if needed, and I posted this on hc forum because we play hc

 

[LokiLoF]

and I posted this on hc forum because we play hc

Then your probably really screwed. :tongue:

I tought you played SC cause you said it was ok to die.

 

[Hilperi]

Yeah, well we have to try anyways, prolly will masswipe on hell nilathak allready though

Most of us just arent the type of people that like to farm endlessly to get better items etc, once in a while its just fun to play the game trough, and the ubers are new added challenge to that goal

 

[LokiLoF]

Yeah, well we have to try anyways, prolly will masswipe on hell nilathak allready though

Most of us just arent the type of people that like to farm endlessly to get better items etc, once in a while its just fun to play the game trough, and the ubers are new added challenge to that goal

Well, you don't need über-items to kill the ubers. Its more about the combination of classes and the skills choosen. I can't see it happen with your team.

 

[mntl]

I dont know if you will be successful but good-luck and report back with how things go. Should be a fun read :thumbsup: and i dont mean that in a "im expecting you to die" type of way!

*mntl

 

[Hilperi]

What else would be required for ubes then? other than bear druid for tanking? we do have a concentration barb in building, but he plays bit less than the rest of us

 

[XkoolleoX]

Two important things that are a must have when you do the Ubers: Crushing Blow and Life Tab. Without Crushing blow, I don't think you can even put a scratch on the Ubers. Without Life Tab, it'll be a miracle if you guys can survive more than a minute. That's my two penny.

 

[HCKull]

You should read 1 of the guides on uberin.

You need

1) crushing blow
2) High chance to hit
3) life tap or high life steal
4) 300 resists or lvl 24 conviction


The ubers have 650,000 hit points so it will take forever to kill them if you have to chop of 1-2k life each hit. Crushblow kills like 1/16 or so of thier life each time it occures. This allows you to get their life down to a sliver pretty quickly. You also should keep them poisoned or with open wounds to stop thier regeneration.

The ubers have huge defenses and are very high level so it can be very hard to hit them. Pallidans use smite to take on the ubers. This skill always hits so it solves this problem. It does not do huge damage, but its primary purpose is to deliver crushing blow.

As you are attempting to kill the boss ubers you are under constant attack from the ubers and thier minions. You are goin to take a lot of damage and the only way to survive is to leach life back. Most people use gear that provided ctc life tap because it gives 50% life leach and they dont have to cast it. You could use wand with charges of life tap or have a nec cast the spell. The alternative to life tap is a high level of life leach on you gear.

Uber Mephisto has lvl 23 conviction. This aura lowers the resists by 125% which makes you extremely vulnerable to elemental damage which you will take lots of in uber trist. You can maintain your resists by either stacking an extra 125% resists or by running a lvl 24 conviction aura which will override Meph's conviction.

 

[Vegetall]

no life tap= dead, not matter what anyone says, if u have a melee class, life tap is a must wether is HC or SC.....

2. salvation is a must on mephy if u plan on surviving.... since ur playing untwinked im guessin the res arent that great, and if u sorc went from a light sorc to a hyrda sorc, that seems pretty bad, though hydras dont do much damg unless *** +skills... though with a decent convition that can be fine... WW barb unless uber gear wont do much.. unless u have life tap but im going to say he dies right after his ww is over.... Druid summoner his bear is going to get wiped as soon as u enter that portal from one of them, unless u have life tap but even then he doesnt attack frequently to make that usefull...

the only thing i can see being usefull at this point is recruiting a necro for the curses and possibly other meat sheilds... thats IMO just for safety...

but good luck and def post what happens

 

[Hilperi]

So umm, we have few ppl willing to reroll to bit more usefull class, I have the hammerdin that could maby be used for crushing blow with 1point in smite, Im suposing that concentrate barb would be nice for tanking and BO, and the conv paladin, wind druid, blizz and hydra sorcs for extra dps and crowd controll.

Our aim is not to be fast, just enough dmg that the bosses die, I would be running salvation when against meph's conv aura as I'm suposing that the 24lvl conv aura wont help any other char than the paladin himself that uses it?

So we changed ww barbs to blizz sorc and summon druid to windy, how would that sound?

 

[Master Zap]

So umm, we have few ppl willing to reroll to bit more usefull class, I have the hammerdin that could maby be used for crushing blow with 1point in smite, Im suposing that concentrate barb would be nice for tanking and BO, and the conv paladin, wind druid, blizz and hydra sorcs for extra dps and crowd controll.

Our aim is not to be fast, just enough dmg that the bosses die, I would be running salvation when against meph's conv aura as I'm suposing that the 24lvl conv aura wont help any other char than the paladin himself that uses it?

So we changed ww barbs to blizz sorc and summon druid to windy, how would that sound?

Your right about the conviction thing.. It will only help the pally if his is higher. Salvation would be more party friendly and help negate much of mephs conviction.


My thoughts on this is deeds.. .I'm sorry to say, but the ubers and their minion are really freaking tough.. .It's like "the last big game challenge if you have godly gear and properly made chars"

I've found that any primary element dealing char is useless in trist.. to many unbreakable immunes.. Not even Static works.. Leave the sorc out. she has low life to start with, no damage to the monsters and without a phy attack she cant partake of the Tap. The only sorc I would ever try Trist with would be a Melee sorc., and that is still less then ideal. Having the extra chars that dont help only makes your job harder since the monsters get beefed up per char in game.

Windy would work better then the Summon druid.. I think if your going Druid, use a Fury wolf.. Nice fast attack, intermittenly attack with Feral rage to speed your attack up a bit more, Add some leach in addition to tap and for 1 target lock on. Windy does phy damage, but does not have the cb you'd get from the wolfie.. Throw on some gore riders or goblin toes. Make "black" or use something like a rib-cracker. Even an ik maul would work (but no shield).

I have a couple chars that are uber viable if you need a hand fighting. HCL

 

[PhatTrumpet]

Teaming up on them with a bunch of useless characters is just going to make it more difficult. All you need to do is turn the Hammerdin into a 1-point Smiter and give him a good BO (if the Barb has a decent Howl that's even better). Let the rest of your buddies know how it goes when you're done disposing of them in a minute or two.

 

[Vegetall]

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