Synergy question.

[NateTheBassGuy]

Synergy question.

If an item you have performs a certain skill "on hit", will having the synergy for that skill affect it?

...And if so... does the Firestorm granted by a Torch count for synergies on a Druid?

(Long story short, I'm toying with the idea of building a Druid that uses a Torch and a pair of Phoenixes with maxed out Molten Boulder/Fissure to give their triggered "on hit" spells 920% worth of bonuses. Sounds like fun, huh? Especially when combined with an Infinity Merc... but if my premise is faulty, there's almost no point in wasting time/runes on it.)

 

[Crowd Control]

Re: Synergy question.

Good question. I had to google for an answer too. It seems I found a linky here which confirms that procing skills (which is what the CtC magic is called) can be synergized by hard points in the appropiate skills. However it does not work the other way around, iirc.

Like there was this Marrowwalk bug. The boots granted lvl 33 Bone Prison charges, so Necro's wore those boots instead of putting any point in the skill. The boots would synergize Bone Armor and Bone Wall with that lvl 33. That has been fixed as of patch 1.10 (correct me if I'm wrong on the patch number).

Anyway, the charges don't synergize the skill, but the skill can synergize the charge (or CtC) in this case.
And to complete the story: RBF and Fire Mastery all add to damage too.

 

[omgwtfbbqpwned]

Re: Synergy question.

Yes, procing spells are synergized by their appropiate synergies, as Crowd Control has mentionned. That's why it's possible to make a procing Necromancer ("Oath" + Andariel's Visage + "Bone" + 2x Carrion Wind) or a procing Druid (Stormlash + "Rain" + 2x Carrion Wind). All procing skills (On Attack, On Strike, When Struck) work like this.

As to your second statement... I'm gonna take a stab in the dark here, and guess that you've never used the Druid's Firestorm before. Long story short: Diablo's Firestorm is what procs in the torch, not the Druid's. The Druid's Firestorm SUCKS (well, don't expect the Firestorm to kill anything). It wouldn't work, even with the double "Phoenix".

 

[NateTheBassGuy]

Re: Synergy question.

Yes, procing spells are synergized by their appropiate synergies, as Crowd Control has mentionned. That's why it's possible to make a procing Necromancer ("Oath" + Andariel's Visage + "Bone" + 2x Carrion Wind) or a procing Druid (Stormlash + "Rain" + 2x Carrion Wind). All procing skills (On Attack, On Strike, When Struck) work like this.

As to your second statement... I'm gonna take a stab in the dark here, and guess that you've never used the Druid's Firestorm before. Long story short: Diablo's Firestorm is what procs in the torch, not the Druid's. The Druid's Firestorm SUCKS (well, don't expect the Firestorm to kill anything). It wouldn't work, even with the double "Phoenix".

I'm aware that the "real" Firestorm and the torch Firestorm behave differently, I just wasn't sure if one's synergies complemented the other since they have the same name.

It may not be as good as an Auradin or anything, but with full synergies and the Phoenixes, the triggered Firestorm base damage would be ~850-1000 (not to mention enemies having -56fres from the phoenixes, and whatever from the merc's infinity) on top of whatever you're hitting for physically (which would probably be pretty impressive since with the ED from Phoenixes alone being 700-800%). Also, assuming I'm using a Werewolf with Frenzy as my attack skill, it's going to get triggered quite a lot. I don't know exactly where the breakpoints are, but it seems like it might be viable if I toss it in a Phaseblade or something...

Sure, I probably won't end up doing Ubers with a character like this, but I could conceivably run Hell without too many problems... right? At any rate, it at least SOUNDS fun to me. Hahaha.

 

[sike]

Re: Synergy question.

ela

- Sounds definately, though if it will BE then double great for you, i haven't tried it...
- But, Frenzy (not sure where from you would get it) in anyform is not possible. When you transform *from anyone* into anything you then recieve everything what goes for that form, like definded. Brakepoints, attacks, etc.

- Haven't tried either but, quite probable you could better do with just Diablo's Firestorm boosted by Soso's FMastery as it covers ~whole screen, and that Druid's one barely touches one pice of evil.
- But, creative idea i must admit. Enjoy!

 

[bunion]

Re: Synergy question.

I'm aware that the "real" Firestorm and the torch Firestorm behave differently, I just wasn't sure if one's synergies complemented the other since they have the same name.

It may not be as good as an Auradin or anything, but with full synergies and the Phoenixes, the triggered Firestorm base damage would be ~850-1000 (not to mention enemies having -56fres from the phoenixes, and whatever from the merc's infinity) on top of whatever you're hitting for physically (which would probably be pretty impressive since with the ED from Phoenixes alone being 700-800%). Also, assuming I'm using a Werewolf with Frenzy as my attack skill, it's going to get triggered quite a lot. I don't know exactly where the breakpoints are, but it seems like it might be viable if I toss it in a Phaseblade or something...

Sure, I probably won't end up doing Ubers with a character like this, but I could conceivably run Hell without too many problems... right? At any rate, it at least SOUNDS fun to me. Hahaha.

They have the same name, but are counted as different skills by the game engine. So, no, as far as it's possible to tell, it's just a pretty graphical effect.

 

[omgwtfbbqpwned]

Re: Synergy question.

I'm aware that the "real" Firestorm and the torch Firestorm behave differently, I just wasn't sure if one's synergies complemented the other since they have the same name.

It may not be as good as an Auradin or anything, but with full synergies and the Phoenixes, the triggered Firestorm base damage would be ~850-1000 (not to mention enemies having -56fres from the phoenixes, and whatever from the merc's infinity) on top of whatever you're hitting for physically (which would probably be pretty impressive since with the ED from Phoenixes alone being 700-800%). Also, assuming I'm using a Werewolf with Frenzy as my attack skill, it's going to get triggered quite a lot. I don't know exactly where the breakpoints are, but it seems like it might be viable if I toss it in a Phaseblade or something...

Sure, I probably won't end up doing Ubers with a character like this, but I could conceivably run Hell without too many problems... right? At any rate, it at least SOUNDS fun to me. Hahaha.

Heh, go for it... might wanna test it out on a editor first before blowing the runes. Werewolf with Frenzy, though?

 

[NateTheBassGuy]

Re: Synergy question.

Hah... whoops... did I say Frenzy?

I meant Fury.
That makes a lot more sense now, doesn't it? Hahahaha.

 

[lAmebAdger]

Re: Synergy question.

i doubt diablo's firestorm can be synergized by anything...

have you tested it?

would be interested in the results

 

[lycanfangz]

Re: Synergy question.

nice idea i have to admit but i doubt it will work..but if it dose tell me

 

[sike]

Re: Synergy question.

- Diablo's Firestorm is a skill. Sorc masteries boost dmg of the adequate skills (FM fire, LM light)... it will work for both that firestorms.
- CM will work for any cold dmg you apply.