Suwayyah for Chaos?

Trionth

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Suwayyah for Chaos?

Can I use this to make 'Chaos' in, or does it have to specifically have to be claws?

Suwayyah
3os
+2 Mind Blast
+2 Wake of Inferno
+1 Lightning Sentry

If I could make Chaos in it that would be great, but would assassins get use out of:

'Malice'
+33% Enhanced Damage
+9 To Maximum Damage
100% Chance Of Open Wounds
-25% Target Defense
-100 To Monster Defense Per Hit
Prevent Monster Heal
+50 To Attack Rating
Drain Life -5

OR

'Fury'
+209% Enhanced Damage
40% Increased Attack Speed
Prevent Monster Heal
66% Chance Of Open Wounds
33% Deadly Strike
Ignore Target's Defense
-25% Target Defense
20% Bonus To Attack Rating
6% Life Stolen Per Hit
+5 To Frenzy (Barbarian Only)
 
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BAMFSpecialOps

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Re: Suwayyah for Chaos?

You could make Chaos/Fury out of it(Malice is mostly a waste for pvp) however it is a very slow base claw, I wouldn't use it.
 

Trionth

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Re: Suwayyah for Chaos?

The extra +skills wouldn't make up for it not being as fast as another claw It also does more damage?

Are you sure I can make 'Chaos' in it? It is technically a Katar I think, and on the Arreat Summit it says the runeword is for claws...

'Chaos' would be cheap too, but still, no need to waste the Um if it won't work.
 
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nex

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Re: Suwayyah for Chaos?

The extra +skills wouldn't make up for it not being as fast as another claw It also does more damage?
Skills on it are half decent, but nothing especially good. You can find much better claws, for hybrid or ghost. And for PvP wwsins physical dmg isn't really important.

Are you sure I can make 'Chaos' in it? It is technically a Katar I think, and on the Arreat Summit it says the runeword is for claws...
Yes, Suwayyah are claws class weapon.



 

Trionth

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Re: Suwayyah for Chaos?

Hmm, thanks! Guess I'll charsi it and maybe get something better :D

What build would use full Natalya's? Anything specifically fun, or is not really good enough to use?
 

Sass

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Re: Suwayyah for Chaos?

And for PvP wwsins physical dmg isn't really important
Only if your build doesn't focus on it.


I wouldn't Charsi the claw. It's perfectly fine and you can make Chaos out of it.






Phoenix Strikers tend to use full Nat's, but there are still better options for them.


 

Trionth

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Re: Suwayyah for Chaos?

Does the speed matter?

Suwayyah is 0 (base speed)
Other claws are -20 even -30.
 

Sass

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Re: Suwayyah for Chaos?

Yes, but there is a way around it, and it indeed focuses on the Suwayyah being a Chaos.


The Ghost guide stickied at the top of this forum has a detailed explanation on WSM bugging. WSM bugging is to have a slow Chaos (Suwayyah) and a fast other claw. By certain placement, lifting and re-equiping the Suwayyah, your WSM will increase, resulting in less IAS needed by the other claw.

Suwayyah bugged with a Runic Talon needs only 19% IAS on that Runic Talon; that's easily covered by the 40% IAS Fool's / Fury claws.
 

nex

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Re: Suwayyah for Chaos?

Only if your build doesn't focus on it.
True, but physical dmg based wwsins are a rare sight compared to their venom/traps/ow based cousins. ;)

I wouldn't Charsi the claw. It's perfectly fine and you can make Chaos out of it.
I agree. It's nothing awesome, but +2 MB/+1 LS still beats claws with no skills.



 

Trionth

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Re: Suwayyah for Chaos?

Yes, but there is a way around it, and it indeed focuses on the Suwayyah being a Chaos.


The Ghost guide stickied at the top of this forum has a detailed explanation on WSM bugging. WSM bugging is to have a slow Chaos (Suwayyah) and a fast other claw. By certain placement, lifting and re-equiping the Suwayyah, your WSM will increase, resulting in less IAS needed by the other claw.

Suwayyah bugged with a Runic Talon needs only 19% IAS on that Runic Talon; that's easily covered by the 40% IAS Fool's / Fury claws.
So if I find a 1-3os Runic Talons and socket it with Shaels then I could make up for slow attack speed of the suwayyah?


 

Sass

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Re: Suwayyah for Chaos?

Ideally, the runics worth using can spawn with 40% IAS, so already covers any IAS requirement.
 

SeCKSEgai

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Re: Suwayyah for Chaos?

Basically, when wsm bugging, you have a primary fast claw and a slow secondary (usually chaos) claw. Since Chaos is usually a pvp thing, your primary is typically a fury in greater talon/runic or a nice fool's.
 

quickA

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Re: Suwayyah for Chaos?

I would say always in suwayyah..Since it has the best damage and you will never remove it.Fools / fury can be made in faster claws.
Physical damage ghosts are great , they will always hit harder their venom sisters.
 
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