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[Espr]

Why? It doesn't affect cast speed (or so little as to be unnoticeable). Ryhme would be a better source of it as well; particularly for max block characters, with the bonus of some MF. Spirit is still almost always the better caster shield though, outside of max block concerns, and I say this as someone who adores Rhyme and blocking.

 

[Gripphon]

Maybe your statement is true strictly Baal runs ( and I even doubt that though ).

Well this thread is about strictly Baal runs as I understood. Thread starter wants to kill Baal as fast as he can, and he can't do that if he is doing full clears of WSK. So, I ignored clearing WSK and talked strictly about Baal running.

For Baal running you need other element than Lightning ONLY if you care to kill every single lite immune Lister you encounter since he is the only one who can turn immune to lite under conviction, and is hard to take down at the same time. Other monsters are p1 (p1 for clearing Throne, right), so they fall quickly. I don't know can some random boss turn into physical and lite immune or something so that even your merc can't kill him, can't really recall having that case that I had some kind of problems of clearing p1 Throne room.

So, lite immune Lister p8. Quite a beast, it will take a long time to kill him with your merc. Then again, why would you bother wasting enormous amount of time killing lite immune Lister? Just park him out of Throne room and go kill Baal instead. It's much faster and much much more profitable than wasting a lot of time to wait merc to kill one monster that gives small amount of xp. In time you kill Lister, you would already kill Baal, and Baal has like 10 times better drops and better xp, so skipping immune Lister once in several runs means nothing. So, why bother killing lite immune Lister at all? It's not worth it. It takes like 10 sec to park him out and then proceed to killing Baal.

As for your doubting that lite sorc is fastest... To be fair, I didn't test that for sure. I had Blova before and I know she is not fast as lite sorc. If blizzballer sorc can kill Lister pack before 2 minute mark at average like lite sorc can on good map, I'll be impressed. Maybe I shouldn't state that lite sorc is fastest if I didn't strictly compare several sorcs to get the result. As far as I know, no other sorc ever managed to match lite sorc at killing Baal as fast as possible. Normally, I'm refering only to fastest sorc runners since average player can make tons of errors which can result in lite sorc being slower. If someone who can kill Lister pack at 2 min mark at average with lite sorc tests and proves that blizzballer sorc can do it equally fast, or even faster, or any other kind of sorc in fact, then that will be relevant result proving lite sorc is not fastest.

 

[Korlic]

Tried this buildup you suggested Gripphon, but I dont have that much life 1588. Is there something i missed or is that just how the build is?

 

[madridcf]

I suggest enough str for spirit,else in vitality .With this devastating damage you don't need block actually, you are caster,not melle .Actually i don't need more than 1000,they can't even see me before they are dead already

 

[Gripphon]

Gear I suggested. Mara's, Coh etc...
Highest Strength requirement item: Spirit shield with 156. Need to have 121 cause of equipment bonuses. 35 dex for HOTO. So level 90 sorc would have 460 stats total, 111 into Strength, 10 into dex, 339 vita.

Her life on level 90 with those stats and char starting values will be 807 (BO-able), and another 10 from equipment. She would have 12 allskills on BO switch including battle command, with BO level on top of that. Let's say "average" 4 BO stick, that gives total of 80% life and mana bonus including allskill bonuses. She would end up with 1462 life.
Her mana with such level and equipment would be (assuming 90 from spirit) 343 BO-able and 10 bonus from equipment. Inc. max mana is 65% total, ending on 840 mana total.

Resists are, as stated, with lowest rolled stuff on resists, you would end with all maxed on hell except fire (145 total). I'm sure you don't have 30 allres hoto and 20 allres mara's, so at least 10 you can get more in that part, so let's say you need ~20 fire resist to have maxed on hell. That are 2 small charms. So, using cube and rest tome of ID or skillers + gheed or something, you will have at least 12 space for small charms. 2 go for fire resist, so you can place 10 more plain 20 lifers. If you have plain skillers and 20 lifers with 2 plain fire ress charms, you will have 200 more BO-able life, or, in the end, total life would be 1822 with level 90 sorc.

Damage: assuming gheed + 6 skillers + equipment, her damage would be ~31-32k on Lightning. 1.8k life sorc with such damage is quite nice. Mana of ~800 is good as well. Higher is better, you can use mana gloves if you don't care too much about MF, or some life/mana charms. Or replace 1 skiller with grand life/mana charm, that will drop you to ~29k damage though.

I hope this helps.

 

[Korlic]

Thx my Sorc does the runs fine most of the time, but she could do with more life mana when souls are lurking

 

[maxicek]

It's been a while since I ran Baal with a sorc (or possibly ever). IIRC no monster will freeze you, only chill. Although you walk slowly, FCR is unaffected. So you can cast - and of course tele - with no ill effects. No Ravenfrost required (as you can also see in Grip's setup).

Edit - missed second page - can't get used to new forum layout.

 

[madridcf]

Aha, i began to use one jordan and one bul cathos,no raven frost anymore.

 

[madridcf]

I want to ask something different but common at all ; Is this sorceress the best and the fastest killer for baal ? Is the hammer paladin with good gear better ?

 

[frozzzen]

Wave 2 is magic immune so hammerdins won't cruise Baal.
Anyway, lightsorc and lightzons share fastest run times roughly, 2:20 being fairly reliable.
Trap assassin wih baal solution follows after fastest runners but requires lots of effort, and ww barb, zeal pally, are roughly the same. Probably around 3:20 mark, can be faster or slower. Hybrid sorcs can probably go faster than those two/three classes. Druids and necs are slow and there's no helping those.








Btw, amazons are best.

 

[madridcf]

If i am ham / pal ,can't i break immunity with conviction aura,or magic imun is high as cold (not as lighting - can be broken) ?

 

[pharphis]

I'm not sure I understand your post.. but conviction doesn't lower magic or poison resistance.. only fire/lite/cold (and defense)... Council also can't be magic immune, anyway

 

[madridcf]

I understood,i was wrong to think conviction breaks magic also,anyway.
Is there a way to break a magic imunne somehow ?

 

[nulio]

No.