Stop the ******* school shootings!

Dondrei

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Mod, make a statement of your position and then back it up. See, what you've done up there is just hit the reply button and make an irrelevant comment under every sentence; you have no coherent argument.
 

Module88

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dondrei said:
Mod, make a statement of your position and then back it up. See, what you've done up there is just hit the reply button and make an irrelevant comment under every sentence; you have no coherent argument.
Just because it shows how ignorant you are when it comes to these types of matters doesn't mean it's irrelevant, although I can see how that would help create the illusion that you understand what's going on. But here's some help.

1. Knives are stealthier when it comes to killing people (how you can disagree with this is beyond me). You can kill eight sleeping people (and escape) with a knife than you could with, at a minimum, a 130 decibel shot going off in a confined space (assuming only one round is fired).

2. A killing spree occurs when many people are killed by a particular person or persons. The victims don't necessarily need to be adults for it to be labeled as such.

3. Just because a ton of people might overpower and disarm a gunman or knifeman doesn't mean it will occur. Saying, "well, you can easily overpower a knife wielding killer than a gunman" (ignoring the fact that that's a pure assumption) doesn't mean jack **** if various knife incidents occur and such overpowering does not occur.

4. You don't know crap when it comes to the military, guns, warfare, or anything related to the matter, and should stop trying to pretend you do.

5. Just because you think X is Y, doesn't mean it is.

Mm, I think that's about it for now. Might have forgotten something, but this should be more than enough. Of course, everyone reading this might think, "duh." Well, I'm working on it. :wave:
 

Yaboosh

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Whenever it is just you and one other person posting in a really long thread, you know you are wasting your time.
 

Dondrei

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Module88 said:
Just because it shows how ignorant you are when it comes to these types of matters doesn't mean it's irrelevant, although I can see how that would help create the illusion that you understand what's going on. But here's some help.
Oh I see, I thought you were trying to make a point but you in fact have five separate, unconnected points that you constructed from your responses to my post.

Module88 said:
1. Knives are stealthier when it comes to killing people (how you can disagree with this is beyond me). You can kill eight sleeping people (and escape) with a knife than you could with, at a minimum, a 130 decibel shot going off in a confined space (assuming only one round is fired).
They are definitely more stealthy. Makes no difference to the argument over banning guns of course.

Module88 said:
2. A killing spree occurs when many people are killed by a particular person or persons. The victims don't necessarily need to be adults for it to be labeled as such.
Of course. Had you been able to read plain English without garbling it all up you'd know that I don't disagree with this.

Module88 said:
3. Just because a ton of people might overpower and disarm a gunman or knifeman doesn't mean it will occur. Saying, "well, you can easily overpower a knife wielding killer than a gunman" (ignoring the fact that that's a pure assumption) doesn't mean jack **** if various knife incidents occur and such overpowering does not occur.
Sure. Of course, you have yet to produce any credible evidence that knife rampages kill as many people as gun rampages. So far you have only one example of multiple fatalities in a knife rampage, and that was in a classroom of children with maybe one adult. Yes, it's still a rampage but hardly your typical one; one could accomplish pretty much the same level of carnage completely unarmed.

Module88 said:
4. You don't know crap when it comes to the military, guns, warfare, or anything related to the matter, and should stop trying to pretend you do.
Imagining yourself as a zombie-killing expert doesn't count either. I don't know much about the military and guns, warfare is another matter, but it doesn't take an expert to see where you are wrong. So far I haven't had to use much specialist knowledge, your arguments are always faulty on a logical level.

Module88 said:
5. Just because you think X is Y, doesn't mean it is.

Mm, I think that's about it for now. Might have forgotten something, but this should be more than enough. Of course, everyone reading this might think, "duh." Well, I'm working on it. :wave:
Yes, please try to compose a coherent argument next time like I requested. Your failure to do so just adds further weight to my theory that you don't actually know what one is.
 

Dondrei

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Yaboosh said:
So, with this last post, does everybody realize how dumb this argument is?
I'd be content to know what the argument is.

Bortaz said:
Most of us realized it wayyyyyyy before the last post. Only Mod and Dondrei didn't realize it.
I realize how dumb the argument is.

Yaboosh said:
Whenever it is just you and one other person posting in a really long thread, you know you are wasting your time.
What do you think posting on a forum is? A constructive use of time?
 

Yaboosh

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Bad choice of words.

You could be wasting your time much more efficiently in a better thread that involves something other than A argues for X and against Y, B argues for Z and against Q.
 

Dondrei

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Yaboosh said:
Bad choice of words.

You could be wasting your time much more efficiently in a better thread that involves something other than A argues for X and against Y, B argues for Z and against Q.
An efficient waste of time? That's almost an oxymoron. Anyway, I only posted here after posting in every other thread, it's this or get on with my thesis work. Trust me, my choice is this.
 

Module88

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dondrei said:
Oh I see, I thought you were trying to make a point but you in fact have five separate, unconnected points that you constructed from your responses to my post.
Yeah. Would you like to know how I constructed them from my responses to your post? The fact is that my points were simple. And it's unbelievable you could disagree with them. But you did. You never cease to amaze me.

They are definitely more stealthy. Makes no difference to the argument over banning guns of course.
Then why were you arguing against it? See where were going here? I'm making obvious, simple, and pretty much indisputable points. And you're disagreeing with them. Ridiculous, don't you think?

Of course. Had you been able to read plain English without garbling it all up you'd know that I don't disagree with this.
Then why did you try to? See? I'm glad you're starting to realize how ridiculous this whole thing is.

Sure. Of course, you have yet to produce any credible evidence that knife rampages kill as many people as gun rampages. So far you have only one example of multiple fatalities in a knife rampage, and that was in a classroom of children with maybe one adult. Yes, it's still a rampage but hardly your typical one; one could accomplish pretty much the same level of carnage completely unarmed.
Statistics are garbled up. But, more than that, it's irrelevant if gun rampages kill more/incident if more knife incidents occur. I believe we had this discussion last time. Knives are more accessible. Thus, even if they kill less people/"rampage," it doesn't necessarily mean they're more deadly. And, if in fact the pointed tip is useless, why not ban knives with pointed tips?

Imagining yourself as a zombie-killing expert doesn't count either. I don't know much about the military and guns, warfare is another matter, but it doesn't take an expert to see where you are wrong. So far I haven't had to use much specialist knowledge, your arguments are always faulty on a logical level.
Please. When you think SWAT teams aren't trained to deal with things like innocent bystanders (have you seen a police officer, in fact? This is ridiculous. And where exactly, was I wrong?

Yes, please try to compose a coherent argument next time like I requested. Your failure to do so just adds further weight to my theory that you don't actually know what one is.
I was simply responding to your posts. It's not my fault your responses are ridiculous. I say a guy killed eight sleeping people with a knife and got away. You say that's because they were asleep, as if a gunshot would have had the same effect. I mean, just with the example above, it's hard to come up with anything to say. I'd assume people would know police are trained (SWAT teams especially) to deal with innocent bystanders. After all, that's what they deal with every day. Hostage rescue? Domestic dispute? Car accident? Innocent bystanders all the time. But you didn't even know that! I mean, give me a break here. When you don't know obvious things like that, I mean, what do you expect me to do?
 

Dondrei

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Module88 said:
Yeah. Would you like to know how I constructed them from my responses to your post? The fact is that my points were simple. And it's unbelievable you could disagree with them. But you did. You never cease to amaze me.
What's really amazing is that I agreed with all of them. Think about it.

Module88 said:
Then why were you arguing against it? See where were going here? I'm making obvious, simple, and pretty much indisputable points. And you're disagreeing with them. Ridiculous, don't you think?
I'm not disagreeing, you'll notice I agreed. Your points don't point anywhere. That's the idea of a coherent argument, you need to be making these points in order to be relevant to the argument at hand. What you are employing are non sequiturs.

Module88 said:
Then why did you try to?
I didn't, except in your mind apparently. See, I thought I was disagreeing with where you were going with all these things, but it turns out you were going nowhere.

Module88 said:
See? I'm glad you're starting to realize how ridiculous this whole thing is.
I always knew that.

Module88 said:
Statistics are garbled up. But, more than that, it's irrelevant if gun rampages kill more/incident if more knife incidents occur. I believe we had this discussion last time. Knives are more accessible. Thus, even if they kill less people/"rampage," it doesn't necessarily mean they're more deadly. And, if in fact the pointed tip is useless, why not ban knives with pointed tips?
And hands are more accessible than guns. One of the reasons why the argument centers on the lethality of the weapons and not their availability.

Module88 said:
Please. When you think SWAT teams aren't trained to deal with things like innocent bystanders (have you seen a police officer, in fact? This is ridiculous. And where exactly, was I wrong?
You know, I'm trying to understand where you got that from by thinking back over my previous posts and putting them through a "Mod filter" to see how you might have translated them into your own peculiar language with the result "SWAT teams aren't trained to deal with things like innocent bystanders", but I'm coming up blank. You'll have to link and quote me in context for me to know what you're on about.

You aren't wrong, I mean you can't be wrong when you don't have a point to make.

Module88 said:
I was simply responding to your posts. It's not my fault your responses are ridiculous. I say a guy killed eight sleeping people with a knife and got away. You say that's because they were asleep, as if a gunshot would have had the same effect. I mean, just with the example above, it's hard to come up with anything to say. I'd assume people would know police are trained (SWAT teams especially) to deal with innocent bystanders. After all, that's what they deal with every day. Hostage rescue? Domestic dispute? Car accident? Innocent bystanders all the time. But you didn't even know that! I mean, give me a break here. When you don't know obvious things like that, I mean, what do you expect me to do?
Killing eight sleeping people with a knife is irrelevant to the gun debate. You could do the same with bare hands, it's a different situation.
 

Yaboosh

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Meh, more of the joke was making you think that I was actually serious anyway. I make jokes for ME DAMMIT.
 

Module88

Diabloii.Net Member
dondrei said:
What's really amazing is that I agreed with all of them. Think about it.
After this whole time. :rolleyes:

I'm not disagreeing, you'll notice I agreed. Your points don't point anywhere. That's the idea of a coherent argument, you need to be making these points in order to be relevant to the argument at hand. What you are employing are non sequiturs.
I'm not implying non sequiturs- my responses directly reflect what you say. You mention something about knives, I respond with a post about knives, simply put. If in fact, this whole time, you've agreed with me, then why have you been arguing against what I've been saying? I'm not arguing anything in particular- I'm only refuting yours.

I didn't, except in your mind apparently. See, I thought I was disagreeing with where you were going with all these things, but it turns out you were going nowhere.
So were you disagreeing or agreeing? Make up your mind already.

I always knew that.
Then you continued because.....?

And hands are more accessible than guns. One of the reasons why the argument centers on the lethality of the weapons and not their availability.
So, are you opposed to banning guns based on cosmetic features? I'm curious.

You know, I'm trying to understand where you got that from by thinking back over my previous posts and putting them through a "Mod filter" to see how you might have translated them into your own peculiar language with the result "SWAT teams aren't trained to deal with things like innocent bystanders", but I'm coming up blank. You'll have to link and quote me in context for me to know what you're on about.
Does this count? "Special forces and police train to deal with armed attackers or for crowd control, not innocent bystanders."

You aren't wrong, I mean you can't be wrong when you don't have a point to make.
I wasn't blunt with the points. I was just refuting yours. I'd assume you could figure out I'm arguing the opposite of what you are. Though you can't seem to figure out if you agree or disagree, so, maybe you're just confused.

Killing eight sleeping people with a knife is irrelevant to the gun debate. You could do the same with bare hands, it's a different situation.
Knife killing sprees? You argued that they were asleep. Do you think the same thing would have occured if a firearm was used? I believe in an earlier thread, someone said something about "knife rampages can't occur." I disagree. Where do you stand on the issue?

Knives are deadly. They're more accessible. And they're being used in about 1/3 of the crimes in Britain. If 99% of murders occur with, say, chainsaws, would banning chainsaws from public purchase have an effect? Maybe. Maybe they'll switch to a different weapon. Who knows. But the fact is, it's relevant.
 

Veilside

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PlagueBearer said:
It doesn't even matter whether the parents themselves are married or not, or weather that particular child is raised with God in their lives; the waning of marriage and faith effects everyone. Now, these aren't the only factors: over-population, television, celebrities, suburban sprawl... all of them are taking our lives further and further from the conditions that our minds have evolved to deal with.

Our (and again, by "our" I mean "your") minds are wired for faith: it fills a need within us, it gives us a "high". It's likely this evolved as a control mechanism.

It doesn't even really matter what is beleived in; the religeous experiance is a vital part of being human. With it gone, our (your) minds become imbalanced and violent. You go into a "rogue" state of mind, simmilar to how lions go insane separated from a pride.
If my mind was so wired for faith why do i find it so repulsive? I have absolutely no need for faith in a greater being, i consider the need to believe in God to be a sign of human weakness because they are too weak to believe in themselves. Comparing humans to lions is stupid.
 
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