stats for uber tristram? why cant i kill them?

[ariazia]

stats for uber tristram? why cant i kill them?

I would like to know the stats for diablo, baal and mephisto in uber tristram in the newest patch. I have found information about them that say they have same life res and regeneration as lilith and co., but it does not seem that way when i play.
I am trying to solo ut with a sorc, and want to know if it is possible. I have a reaonable easy time killing lilith, duriel and izual, and have found a way to survive ut, but I dont seem to give them enough dammage. Why is that when i can kill the other 3? have they been upgraded or do i have a chance?

I Hope someone can answer the questions or tell me where i find updated information on uber tristram

 

[DH Amazon]

Re: stats for uber tristram? why cant i kill them?

I would like to know the stats for diablo, baal and mephisto in uber tristram in the newest patch. I have found information about them that say they have same life res and regeneration as lilith and co., but it does not seem that way when i play.
I am trying to solo ut with a sorc, and want to know if it is possible. I have a reaonable easy time killing lilith, duriel and izual, and have found a way to survive ut, but I dont seem to give them enough dammage. Why is that when i can kill the other 3? have they been upgraded or do i have a chance?

I Hope someone can answer the questions or tell me where i find updated information on uber tristram

I googled and found this kind of info.

All 6 have about same life.
Uber Meph has both Lightning and Poison immune and 75 for other elemental
And you can't break this with infy.

Uber Baal is cold immune and 75 res for other elemental
Uber Dia is fire immune and 75 res for other elemental

So its hard place for sorc. You need two elemental attacks and open wounds.

Don't know if they regerate life faster than those 3 you killed.

What kind of sorc you have?

 

[paul leung]

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3 bros regenate life way much faster then the other 3.that's why not even hammerdin is affective killing them,you got to have pmh somewhere which only melee had

 

[ariazia]

Re: stats for uber tristram? why cant i kill them?

Thanks for the answers.
yes i know about the imcunity/resistance, but lilith, duriel and izual have same, so thats not a problem when i have infinity on merc and i have 2 attacks (fire/ice). So it must be the regeneration, if you tell the brothers regenerate faster. I have heard the way to stop it, is open wounds plus poison. Will i be able to do that with a caster sorc? I can give my merc venom from arachnid, but is there any way i can get in open wound? Can i give my merc some equipment or can i go hit them first my self before i begin casting? how does open wounds work?

 

[TheReadMenace]

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Venom itself won't be enough for poison damage. The poison duration from each attack is only 0.4 seconds, which won't keep them from regenerating life. You'll have to find another source, like maybe a 6xTal bow on switch.

Open wounds is like poison; it reduces life over time, and generally it lasts much longer than most poison attacks. Its effectiveness depends solely on your character level, so the higher your clvl the more damage it does per frame. I know it's available on certain uniques and RWs; do a bit of research and see how much you can find (maybe I'll get unlazy and do it for you eventually). The only hitch I see is that I don't think open wounds alone will take care of their regen.

Of course, since I play SP I know nothing about the ubers and whether these are effective means of dealing with their life regen, so take it all with a grain of salt. :wink:

edit: You'll probably want open wounds on your merc so you can keep spamming spells at them. So if you keep Infinity on your merc, open wounds can be found on Duress, which may or may not be easy to obtain. It's also on the Crow Caw tigulated mail; cheaper, but much less useful. Poison damage might be a little harder to come by. You might have to do that with your sorc. A poison bow like I mentioned before (even just a single Tal is good; you just need duration, not max poison damage) should be fine so long as you attack with it every few seconds. If the Conviction aura is active from Infinity, you needn't worry about chance to hit (unless their chance to block is ridicuously high, too. Dunno!).

By the way, good luck.

 

[helvete]

Re: stats for uber tristram? why cant i kill them?

I can give my merc venom from arachnid, but is there any way i can get in open wound?

No, you cannot give venom from arachnid to anyone but yourself, due to how the skill works (it works more like holy shield, and not like enchant).

Open Wounds are found on some unique merc weapons, as well as some runewords (malice) and you could use an UM rune on his weapon to achieve the same thing. I believe OW lasts roughly 8 seconds, and that its damage is based off of the level of the char/merc starting it.

I don't think open wounds alone will take care of their regen.

Both OW and poison resets monster regen to a negative value, regardless of what it was before OW/poison was applied, so yes, it will work.

IIRC all the ubers regenerate their entire life in roughly 41 seconds, so stopping that regen helps more than just a little.

 

[Raskah]

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Like helvete said, OW lasts 200 frames (=8 seconds) and the damage is based on the level of the attacker. OW it's not actual damage, it's negative life regeneration so it might stop life regeneration (I think I read somewhere that OW stop life regen and adds negative life regen but I don't know for sure).

Crescent Moon it's a very good weapon for the merc with 25% OW and a juicy 7% ctc Static Field. Several unique armor also have that stat like Boneflesh or Crow Caw.

 

[ariazia]

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Thanks a lot.
As i see it from what you write i should probably go after open wounds on my mercenary. Since i am a caster sorc I can not go in and attack with melee often enough if the duration is only 8 seconds.
I would like to keep infinity on him to increase my dammage, I guess I must give him open wounds in the armor. Looking at the armors you suggest, it seems that duress is by far the best option. If duress has 33 percent chance of open wounds and last for 8 seconds it will be on most of the time if he normally hits as i see it. Of course it means that I will have to have my merc attack the boss all the time and not a minion, and i will have to keep him allive all time, otherwise I can start over.
If helvete says that poison also negates it alone could it be an option to use a posion charm with long duration and then go in and hit him myself in the beginning of the battle?
I guess if those to options does not work, I will have to be partially melee sorc to make it. Or do you have any other suggestions?

 

[helvete]

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I think the longest possible duration on a single charm is 12 seconds, 50% better duration than open wounds... BUT! I don't know if the ubers have any reduction in poison lenght. Meph is immune, so won't work for him, while OW cannot be resisted, not even by being immune to physical (as it's negative regen, not "damage").

If you could find a way to cast the necro curse "terror" on the minions, they'll run a way, and you can tele your merc back into position if he chases after them. The effect of terror is the same as "howl" and "hit causes monster to flee", so if you find either of those, it might help, but terror can be cast on areas, while howl is a warcry (radius around the caster) and HCMtF only works at the target being hit.

 

[ariazia]

Re: stats for uber tristram? why cant i kill them?

The way i deal with minions right now is by using dream helmet so they get confused before doing any serious dammage against me. I could add terror by switching to delirium helmet that has both confusion and terror, but i can still not controll when to activate it since its a percentage chance on both dream and delirium. The problem with delirium helmet is that there is a 1 percent chance that it cast delirium which turns me into a small golem that cant cast spells (and teleport), but maybe i should just gamble that it wont happen. Does anybody know equipment that has terror or confusion you can controll better?

I also have a qustion about the mercenary. He must use infinity and duress it seems, and so far i have given him umd kira to survive mephistos resistance reduction. But how important is it he has Kira on to have high resistance? Can he survive if I have the boss life taped without kira? If he can I could give him delirium or dream instead of my self.

Helvete it seems you know a lot about the game. Is it ok i write you some questions when i get killed by them next time?

 

[NoisemakerArrow]

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Post your and your merc's entire gear and skills. That would make it easier for us to suggest changes.

A Life Tap wand on switch is a good idea for keeping your merc alive. Put a Treachery on him and wait until Fade casts, then put the Duress on him and the Kira. Level 5 Life Tap lasts 25 seconds, so you'll be able to cast spells as normal most of the time. BO should last 2 minutes or so, and that should be long enough to kill one of the Ubers.

Infinity is useless against Meph anyway, except for the damage and CB. An Obedience will do more damage and also have 40% CB, as well as more resists for your merc. Maybe an ethereal, upgraded Hone Sundan with Um Shael Shael would be better. Then you could use a Smoke on him, which together with Kira's should completely negate the Conviction. The Life Tap wand will keep him alive. Enchanting the merc with Demon Limb is also a good idea, as it will increase his chance to hit the bosses.

 

[helvete]

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I usually pop in here once in a while, so I'll try to answer if I can.

 

[ariazia]

Re: stats for uber tristram? why cant i kill them?

ok thanks for the answers i am in guadaloupe and not close to an internet connection. so i can not give it another try until around januar 5th.