Star Trek: Dominion and Borg

[xtravaller]

Star Trek: Dominion and Borg

For all you Star Trek fans, I've been told that the Dominion are arguably the most powerful race in the Star Trek universe with the Borg coming in second.

I don't really watch DS9, which I believe the Dominion are mainly featured, but I don't understand how that can be. Isn't the Dominion just a bunch of different races that formed an alliance? Where as the Borg are a ruthless, unstoppable force that assimilate tons of races to become even more powerful.

Can anyone enlighten me on this? Thanks.

 

[SaroDarksbane]

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For all you Star Trek fans, I've been told that the Dominion are arguably the most powerful race in the Star Trek universe with the Borg coming in second.

I don't really watch DS9, which I believe the Dominion are mainly featured, but I don't understand how that can be. Isn't the Dominion just a bunch of different races that formed an alliance? Where as the Borg are a ruthless, unstoppable force that assimilate tons of races to become even more powerful.

Can anyone enlighten me on this? Thanks.

When they talk about the Dominion, they are probably referring to the Founders and their genetically engineered troops, the Jem'Hadar. Jem'Hadar are fanatically loyal to the point of death (the Odyssey was destroyed by a kamikaze attack as it fled the battle, just to prove a point) and very dangerous because of it, but I'd still give it to the Borg due to their adaptability.

 

[bladesyz]

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Species 8472 (*cough*zerg*cough*) FTW!

 

[stillman]

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I thought it was the humans. They always seem to save the day and win episode after episode.

 

[BobCox2]

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I thought it was
Re: Star Trek: Dominion and Bong

 

[s4nder]

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Question for the Trekkies here: which movie would you recommend for a complete Star Trek newbie? I've been wanting to get into it for a while but I don't know where to start.

 

[BobCox2]

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Kahn !

 

[Gorny]

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I would say Borg over Dominion and Species 8472.

- For sheer adapability and and diversity of technology. Species 8472 has a weakpoint, that being the Borg nanite weapon develpoed by 7of9 and Voyager's crew. The Dominion can be assimilated by the Borg as well. I don't think even the Founders would last long against a full scale Borg invasion.

If you're starting from the beginning ... maybe skip Star Trek The Motion Picture and start with Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. You might YouTube the 60's TOS Khan episode for background info.

 

[stillman]

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Question for the Trekkies here: which movie would you recommend for a complete Star Trek newbie? I've been wanting to get into it for a while but I don't know where to start.

The Wrath of Kahn and Star Trek: Generations were quite memorable imo, and even some of the old original series episodes if you can get your hands on them.

 

[Thyiad]

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I agree with the first half of Generations but I always felt the TNG part was a bit ... TNGy. They didn't age well in my eyes. (And I grew up with that not ToS.)

ST: VI The Undiscovered Country is one I can watch whenever. The original cast kicking it old style. Never mind technobabble, let's do what's right and hang the consquences.

More of a 'feel' of the series than the 'lore' and some funny dialogue.

 

[bladesyz]

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I would say Borg over Dominion and Species 8472.

- For sheer adapability and and diversity of technology. Species 8472 has a weakpoint, that being the Borg nanite weapon develpoed by 7of9 and Voyager's crew. The Dominion can be assimilated by the Borg as well. I don't think even the Founders would last long against a full scale Borg invasion.

It's always like that. Some super powerful villainous species encounters an even more powerful and villainous specie and gets their asses handed to them. In comes the protagonist specie (i.e. humans) who normally has no chance against the first powerful villain specie, yet somehow manages to exploit a crippling weakness in the second, more powerful specie and succeeds in defeating the second specie. However, they never manage to do the same for the first, less powerful villain specie.

 

[stillman]

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So, I haven't been following things lately, but why hasn't the borg just taken over Earth and everything else? Vulcans, etc? I recall in --Insurection was it?-- where the borg even goes back in time and tries to stop Earth from reaching some critical moment. Why doesn't the borg just keep on trying that?

 

[Dawnmaster]

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So, I haven't been following things lately, but why hasn't the borg just taken over Earth and everything else? Vulcans, etc? I recall in --Insurection was it?-- where the borg even goes back in time and tries to stop Earth from reaching some critical moment. Why doesn't the borg just keep on trying that?

I imagine the Q would stop them from taking too drastic actions in the universe? As they like to play with humans, they surely would protect them a little in the end, else they would have nothing to play with?
But then again, they can probably recreate whatever they want, so they might not care for the most part of it.

(I have never followed any of the series, safe for a few episodes here and there from Enterprise and Voyager, and a few movies with Captain Krik and a few with Captain Picard)

And I also recall some "agency" like the Q that oversees all time travel, and keeps a close eye on abuse of this matter.

Anyway, let the real trekkies explain it to you, they know this stuff a thousand times better than I do ^^

 

[stillman]

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Oh, I forgot about the Q. Makes sense.

 

[Dondrei]

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Tribbles .

 

[Gorny]

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Stillman, Janeway pretty much wiped out the Borg. Not to mention Starfleet still have those torpedoes her future self developed.

-Transphasic Torpedoes and a Neurolytic Pathogen.

 

[Dirty_Zulu]

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Stillman, Janeway pretty much wiped out the Borg. Not to mention Starfleet still have those torpedoes her future self developed.

-Transphasic Torpedoes and a Neurolytic Pathogen.

When was that? I remember she gave them some futuristic armor for the Voyager which gave them barely an opportunity to enter the teleporting hub.

 

[Gorny]

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It all happend in VoY's final episode, though some of it isn't mentioned in the episode itself. Memory Alpha has some background info on it here:

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Endgame#Summary

When old Janeway visited The Doc in 2404, she asks him for 2,000mg of Chronexaline. The Neurolytic Pathogen I mentioned was created by The Doc in an alternate timeline in 2392.

It isn't said on screen if Old Janeway beought it back along with the Chronexaline, but when Captian Janeway walks in with thr hypo and injects Old Janeway we know that it couldn't have existed in Captian Janeway's timeline. So Old Janeway brought it with her. When The Borg Queen assimilated Old Janeway, she assimilated the pathogen as well. Thus ending the Borg at that point. It isn't said if the Borg were totally wiped out or not.

 

[Dirty_Zulu]

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That's why time travel is so screwy. Who ever uses it gets an unfair advantage. The Borgs could just travel back in time and just before Janeway gets assimilated, they'll show and vaporize her. And on and on.

Also isn't there some sort of a time cop who prevents these sort of things from happening.

 

[Dawnmaster]

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That's why time travel is so screwy. Who ever uses it gets an unfair advantage. The Borgs could just travel back in time and just before Janeway gets assimilated, they'll show and vaporize her. And on and on.

Also isn't there some sort of a time cop who prevents these sort of things from happening.

In every movie/series time travel works differently.
I stopped hurting my head trying to figure it all out, and just accept the explenation they gave per movie/serie, even though wrong.