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staffmods question

Discussion in 'Theorycrafting and Statistics' started by Obdob, Nov 7, 2010.

  1. Obdob

    Obdob Diabloii.Net Member

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    staffmods question

    I was reading through the statistics & knowledge library to find the answer, but couldn't seem to find it.
    Is it possible to roll a barb helm with +Whirlwind with any of the cube recipes? If it is, what would be the best way to go about getting this (ilvl and all that junk)? What are the chances of rolling it?
    I was trying the 3 pgem recipe on an exceptional (ilvl 84) barb helm with no luck so far. Would it even be possible this way?

    Thanks for any help!
     
  2. mattinm

    mattinm Diabloii.Net Member

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    Re: staffmods question

    It should be possible, as far as I know. It just rerolls the item, so I'm guess the generation wouldn't be different.

    That said, WW on a helm is crazy rare. You have to have the absolute perfect storm for that to happen, as WW isn't a legal spawn on helms. You could end up going through a ton of PGems before you see one.
     
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    Re: staffmods question

    Any recipe that can change the item level (as well as the Charsi quest reward) causes a reroll of staffmods and automods, according to the new ilvl.
     
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    Re: staffmods question

    True, but to keep rerolling on the same primal helmet, there really isn't another option than the 3 perfect gem recipy, as far as I can tell.

    By the way - the odds you are up against are:

    Code:
    Any primal helmet with an ilvl above 37 can possibly spawn WW.
    
    In order for such a helmet to actually get the WW staffmod, the selection
    process will have to fail 5 times (30% chance each time) and then select WW
    on the final try (4% chance).
    Thus the odds of picking WW as a single staffmod is:
    
    (30%)^5 * 4% = 0.0000972 ~ 97 in a million
    
    Since staffmod on class-items are selected using:
    * 10% chance of 3 staffmods
    * 20% chance of 2 staffmods
    * 40% chance of 1 staffmod
    we may total the odds of a primal helmet spawning WW with:
    
    (10% * 3 + 20% * 2 + 40%) * (30%)^5 * 4% = 0.00010692 ~ [B]107 in a million[/B]
    
    [NOTE: This is a simplyfied calculation for illustartion; the number is not
    entirely accurate, since the fail percentage is slightly higher on picks
    2 and 3, thus making the odds a small fraction bigger]
    You could be looking at spending quite a few gems on this :nod:



     
  5. purplelocust

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    Re: staffmods question

    If you are lucky, one can actually drop:
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    Shadow Crest 
    Lion Helm 
    Defense: 151 
    Durability: 18 of 18 
    Required Level: 30 
    Required Strength: 63 
    Fingerprint: 0xfd154bbe 
    Item Level: 84 
    Version: Expansion 1.10+ 
    +3 to Whirlwind (Barbarian Only) 
    +33% Enhanced Defense 
    +1 to Life 
    Poison Length Reduced by 25% 
    Repairs 1 Durability in 20 Seconds
    Ethereal
    
    but it isn't very likely, as pointed out above. And the chance that you get one with mods that make it suitable for level 30 characters is not high.

    That was a SP drop in 1.12. I obsessively pick up potential staffmod items as part of my somewhat-ridiculed Staffmod Grail project- otherwise it would have just been left on the ground, probably.

    If you are looking in SP, the easiest way to get a +WW barb hat is to look in 1.07 or 1.09, and while you are there you can also look for +Holy Shield scepters which are much more likely than in the current patch.

    As far as rerolling, strategic rerolling with PSkulls and a character of the proper level may be a way to get a chance at a rare one, but of course the chance is very low no matter how it is generated. Imbuing is also a potential route, and imbues are more likely to have staffmods at all, but again the likelihood is still quite tiny.
     
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    Obdob Diabloii.Net Member

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    Re: staffmods question

    Thanks everybody.
    I guess this will have to be one of those long term goals; if it happens then cool, but I won't hold my breath.
     

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