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Stacking OW, DS, CB+amp on smiter

Discussion in 'Paladin' started by Katharsis, Mar 27, 2004.

  1. Katharsis

    Katharsis IncGamers Member

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    Stacking OW, DS, CB+amp on smiter

    well, I heard of a build that does this and havent been able to find more info about it... how much OPen wounds%,Deadlystrike %,crushing blow% and %chance to cast amp do u guys think i could get? How do these work with smite?(same as regular weapons)? I heard it was possible to get to about 33% chance to cast amp... what items could i find this on? i know atmas has 5%, but would highlords be better? This would probably be a dueling/dclone char. Opinions and info?

    thx
     
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    Deadly Strike doesn't work with Smite.

    The rest work like they do with other meele attacks.

    AFAIK, %cast items don't stack. So having two 5% chance to cast AD, doesn't mean 10% chance to cast. Each instance is calculated separately. The overall percent chance does increase with each item, but not through straight addition.
     
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    a truly BM Smiter will be using...

    Primary: Lacerator/Exile
    Secondary: Doom/DragonScale

    and the usual goodies...

    Dracul's Grasp.

    other stuff whatever you desire.
     
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    Pravda IncGamers Member

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    You could potentially have 100% of open, deadly, and crushing:

    6 socket weapon with 2xum, 2xber, 2xlo (50%OW, 40%CB, 40%DS)
    Guillaume's (35%CB, 15%DS)
    Highlords (~35%DS)
    Crafted Gloves (10%CB)
    Gores (10%OW, 15%CB, 15%DS)
    Swordback (50%OW)

    That would give you:
    110% Open wounds
    100% Crushing
    100%+ Deadly

    Too bad deadly doesn't work with smite :)
     
  5. Katharsis

    Katharsis IncGamers Member

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    lacerator?

    hmm this might sound like a dumb q... but whats a lacerator? I looked in the item database and havent found? Can anyone answer my question? and also any idea what other items i could get amp dmg of off?

    thx
     
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    Lacerator is the unique winged axe.

    Also, Im just curious, whats bm about dragonscale?
     
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    I'm assuming he's refering to the slvl 10 Hydra skill granted by Dragonscale. You can of course refrain from using it. :D
     
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    Fear the mighty lvl 10 Hydra and its 59-74 fire damage!


    Though doesnt hydra have some sort of stun effect? I guess that could be kind of bm.
     
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    I believe there is some effect like stun associated with Hydra.
     
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    chitsu IncGamers Member

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    uhm, it doesn't work like that. as the person in the 2nd post said, those attributes don't stack. say you have guillame's and gorerider's. that does not equal 50% CB. what happens is if you attack a player, your 35% CB from guillame's is taken into consideration. If you don't get a CB from that 35%, it moves on and takes into consideration the 15% CB you recieve from gorerider's. if that fails, you get a normal attack. if in that chain of events, CB is ever taken into effect, you get CB, else you get a regular attack.

    there's a statistical formula to figure out your correct % of CB, but i forget what it was. stats was a long time ago.
     
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    Crushing Blow, Deadly Strike and Open Wound all Stacked

    95% Chance to active is the upper limit

    yes Dragonscale's Hydra + Smite = Stun work exactly like MB + Trap
     
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    where did u hear this?
     
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    jumbo_SHRIMP IncGamers Member

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    there have always been people that argued that jargon...the only one that had any kind of truth to it was maybe deadly strike, but its just wrong...they all add up, deadly doesnt work with smite so you can just ignore it...

    they do add up, there is no stupid formulae

    phelix
     
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    I don't see why there would be a formula for crushing blow (say 35% from your weapon, and 15% from your boots; just some erroneous numbers thrown out there; would either be 50%, or 44.7% 6% difference, big deal.)

    If you're going to make a truely BM smiter, I'd use the following setup.

    Ethereal or Regular Lacerator (Ethereal for charge damage)
    Upgraded HoZ (when the ladder rolls over; Ber'ed)
    Mara's
    Crafted +10% CB gloves with 20% ias
    40/15 verdungos hearty cord
    Shako (Ber)
    Enigma
    Gore Rider

    Now, why didn't I use Exile? Life Tap cancles Amplify Damage, and Amp > All.
    Same with Draculs, although I suppose you could use those instead, since the chance to cast life tap is so low.

    The best part about this build is, you could drop the lacerator for a silence phase blade, and be 100% non-bm.
     
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    o_O use 0.9 smiter and ppl will say wow a 0.9 smiter. And u still owns :clap:
     
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    Don't drag me down with this mis-information. I just said that % chance to cast doesn't stack. Everything else does stack (i.e. CB, DS, OW), although DS doesn't work with Smite. This was proven again and again by many members of this forum (including me) and other DII sites. Most recently by Jarulf himself, and the results were posted on the Arreat Summit:

    http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/magic.shtml

    "If you have more than one item with Crushing Blow, the probabilities will be added together."
     
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    Absolute garbage. Totally ignore the quoted text.

    CB/DS/OW percentages add.
     
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    i 2nd that..they all stack, not sure bout amp though
     

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