Stacked Resi's

[Ce Olba]

yes please teleport on a strbugged barb who you didn't see just switched from widow to axes.

Yes, go go str bugged barb. Good that my barb is built so that if he uses this setup, he's str bugged. Also, if the druid camps on the screen of the barb, not doing a thing except teleporting, he's crying for lifetap.

ridiculous statements like yours are repeated once in a while (hardly "1000 times") by people who dont know better. fact is that 100% offensive barb goes 50/50 with 100% defensive druid.

And if a druid goes offensive versus a defensive barb, then what? I'd say it's then almost autowin for the barb, as he can use a lifetap wand, widowmaker, howl, leap.

what do you think happens when barb doesn't play suicidal? if you or anyone else has a druid on eunl i will prove this any time. it's pretty obvious that you and the rest of the druid fanboys are ladder only though.

Yes, it's so funny that the Ladder players who know pretty much only Ladder dueling, come making ridiculous statements based on Ladder dueling. Dueling on Ladder is just about who's got the most HRs, as 99% of all Ladder duelers are skillwise crappy.

non-garbage barb>>>any druid by far. PERIOD.

Non-garbage barb here meaning one that uses Leap and other neat tricks? Myself I prefer Leap+Howl+Telewhirls versus offensive druids, makes them tele in the howls and then just leap them and kill. Or if they're defensive, leap to the side, howl, leap, telewhirl.

Myself I've not used the Fortitude setup too much, I just cannot play with it. But I can tell you, as soon as the lifetap triggers, if the druid plays offensive for even a second, he's dead. I remember tanking the druid due to lifetap and then killing him almost instantly.

Not necesarily, and cmon, widow against windy .

Apparently you have no idea of a BvCs.

Either catch you off guard while with bow switch or just resummon wolves as your attack speed is really slooow.

With Highlord's the speed is _not_ slow. Also, what about str bug? And what if the lifetap triggers? That forces you to play defensive, as if you play offensive, you get tanked.

Good windy is 50-50 against good BvC. Period.

Duel some on NL and think it over. In the last about a year that I've been dueling on NL, I've met only 1 druid to give me troubles, xXSarevokXx, and even he is beatable (he used to use a 2x shael CoA versus me due to believing that the FHR could change a thing). And IIRC, he's packed with 38ish life skillers, godly items, and of course skill.

This has beed rolled over and over for 1000 times here.

Give me link to 10% of those? (Aka 100 topics, if you cannot count that)

Relying on life tap is just bm imo. But if that's your strat, you can also wear life tap wand or something too on switch.

I sometimes use Lifetap wand a switch, only to piss them off. If you consider it BM, then make a character that I cannot leech from, or do like skilled people do, aka do not use minions, except for OAK if your opponent can lifetap them.

Hell, if it bothers you, I can rather use Howl and Leap, it's almost as effective.

 

[SicHalo]

ROFL. try nl for a change.

listen nl vs ladder

i can tell you that most chars on ladder are not as good as their nl equivalents.

its a fact i know cuz i play both i have my ww/trapper and bvc nl and my mage on ladder.

For starters i can only name like 2-3 decent/good BvCs on ladder the rest either do not have a clue on how to duel or juist plain and utter crap.

out of the 2 i have seen both are here on this forum and the other i do not know.

Most ladder BvCs are not even fit enough for me to switch in dr gear and im damn serious when i say this.

Even smiters have more punch than say ladder equivelents. And druids seem tougher as well.

Im not saying that all ladder chars are junk no skillers, but compared to the bulk on say nl it is definetly a different story.

 

[SicHalo]

They are probably rite that bvc and windy can go 50/50 but this applies to ladder and as i stated majority of so called "BvCs" are clueless and no skillers.

 

[HappyAssassin]

Ce Olba, I'm really quite sick of all the non-ladder elitism. The idea that Ladder is somehow a wealth contest and non-ladder is not is absurd. There are a lot of good players on Ladder, many of whom play it specifically to get away from the "holier than thou" pros on NL. It's true, in the beginning of the season gear determines a lot, but later on it doesnt work like that at all. Honestly, it's just insulting and ignorant to think that availability of items makes for good duelers. I'd argue the opposite, that lack of items leads people to compensate with skill.

Non-Ladder has more, cheaper items, is rife with dupes, and has people on it who have been playing longer (in some cases). That's the difference, and that's really all the difference. Apparently I know a lot of that 1% of good duelers on ladder, because many of the people I duel with, while they might not be as dominant on NL, are still very skilled duelers. So before you start making blanket statements about groups of players, stop and think. "I'm NL, you're L, thus I'm right" is not a legitimate argument, as much as you might want it to be. Go back to trying to prove your point, and keep your misconceptions to yourself.

Btw, BvC > Druid, 80% of the time. A real BvC I mean, not a barb with 2 axes. :sad2:

 

[morotsjos]

Ce Olba, I'm really quite sick of all the non-ladder elitism. The idea that Ladder is somehow a wealth contest and non-ladder is not is absurd. There are a lot of good players on Ladder, many of whom play it specifically to get away from the "holier than thou" pros on NL. It's true, in the beginning of the season gear determines a lot, but later on it doesnt work like that at all. Honestly, it's just insulting and ignorant to think that availability of items makes for good duelers. I'd argue the opposite, that lack of items leads people to compensate with skill.

Non-Ladder has more, cheaper items, is rife with dupes, and has people on it who have been playing longer (in some cases). That's the difference, and that's really all the difference. Apparently I know a lot of that 1% of good duelers on ladder, because many of the people I duel with, while they might not be as dominant on NL, are still very skilled duelers. So before you start making blanket statements about groups of players, stop and think. "I'm NL, you're L, thus I'm right" is not a legitimate argument, as much as you might want it to be. Go back to trying to prove your point, and keep your misconceptions to yourself.

Btw, BvC > Druid, 80% of the time. A real BvC I mean, not a barb with 2 axes. :sad2:

fact remains, the quality of the duelers on ladder is inferior to the ones on nl. period. there are no bragging druids on nl for a reason.

 

[Ce Olba]

fact remains, the quality of the duelers on ladder is inferior to the ones on nl. period. there are no bragging druids on nl for a reason.

This is so correct. Hail Morotsjos.

Ce Olba, I'm really quite sick of all the non-ladder elitism. The idea that Ladder is somehow a wealth contest and non-ladder is not is absurd. There are a lot of good players on Ladder, many of whom play it specifically to get away from the "holier than thou" pros on NL. It's true, in the beginning of the season gear determines a lot, but later on it doesnt work like that at all. Honestly, it's just insulting and ignorant to think that availability of items makes for good duelers. I'd argue the opposite, that lack of items leads people to compensate with skill.

Non-Ladder has more, cheaper items, is rife with dupes, and has people on it who have been playing longer (in some cases). That's the difference, and that's really all the difference. Apparently I know a lot of that 1% of good duelers on ladder, because many of the people I duel with, while they might not be as dominant on NL, are still very skilled duelers. So before you start making blanket statements about groups of players, stop and think. "I'm NL, you're L, thus I'm right" is not a legitimate argument, as much as you might want it to be. Go back to trying to prove your point, and keep your misconceptions to yourself.

Yet the people who play non-ladder do make ridiculous claims like "windy=bvc". And as for the "elitism" thing, it's a fact, on Ladder people get wealthy to duel on NL, most likely. The ones that duel on Ladder are foolish, mostly. I'm not saying that Ladder dueling would be inferior to Non-Ladder, just that all the good duelers are on Non-Ladder due to the fact that there are better possibilities of builds and better duelers on NL. I'm not saying that I'm right because I'm on non-ladder. Just look at the picture. Luis, Mcm, Morotsjos, stoutewolf, all play on non-ladder. There are of course a few very good duelers on Ladders too, but less than on non-ladder.

Btw, BvC > Druid, 80% of the time. A real BvC I mean, not a barb with 2 axes.

Good that you agree to the point, which started the whole arguement.

 

[Romper Stomper]

This L vs NL argument comes up EVERY TIME a ladder season gets a decent item base and people start to think their L PVP chars are complete.

It has been proven time and time again that NL > L, every time L merges the "top L duelers" get thrashed by the "top NL duelers".

I had over fourty (yes, four zero) organised 1v1 duels vs my barb (mostly consisting of smiters and V/Ts that had apparently "never been beaten" by a barb) when S2 ended and won all of these in series (most were first to 5, a couple were first to 9).

The only time the ladder superiority argument has any possible validity to it is when an incredibly powerful item is available exclusively on ladder. This is what happened in S2 and we already know the result of that merge. That it hasn't happened in S3 makes L vs NL arguments even more stupid than before.

 

[Romper Stomper]

Oh and no wind druid can beat a WW barb with more than 40% leech on weapons. Nightmare oak, max block, max DR included. Summoning = barb always has full life, not summoning = naked druid. No, NO, a no summon druid cannot tank WW even with max block/DR.