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  1. Espr

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    SC Sorceress
    LK Results (200 runs) [gems]
    Total Time: 1:35:14
    Average: 28.426s
    Fastest: 20.556s fastest

    SC WW Barb
    Category: p7 Pindle
    Runs: 200
    MF: 228 (119eMF)
    AVG: 37.258s
    CAT: 24.315s
    IF: 54%
    Skipped: 1
    Adjeff: 5.55 fabians

    Barb's Setup:

    Weapons: Grief PB / Lawbringer PB
    Switch: 2x HoTO

    StealSkull (PTopaz, 64%)
    Highlords
    Lionheart
    1.13 Ghoulhide
    Nagelring (30%)
    String of Ears
    43% War Travs

    Code:
    Bitter Master 
    Ring 
    Required Level: 65 
    Fingerprint: 0xbc5dea6d 
    Item Level: 80 
    Version: Expansion 1.10+ 
    +116 to Attack Rating 
    7% Life stolen per hit 
    +13 to Dexterity 
    Replenish Life +8 
    Cold Resist +5% 
    All Resistances +10
    

    Lawbringer's Corpse shattering maths:

    Chilled enemies have a 20% chance of shattering. (source: RTB)
    Pindle has a 16.36% chance of spawning CI (source)
    Arbitrary rounding of 'immunity' to 20% to cover instances where chilled fades and grief grabs the kill, and make maths cleaner. See spoiler.
    Given that the chill lasts 20frames against him normally (50%CR; 0.25*(100-50)/100)(maths source), and 12 frames when magic immune, and lawbringer will hit every 6 frames, it would theoretically constantly reapply. However, any time one whirls past him (out of range) it will expire for everything but the very shortest of whirls. Then the first swing of a new killing whirl will be with grief. Or, if passing over him, there's at least a 50% chance it's grief and not lawbringer. Possibly more if grief attacks independantly of lawbringers slower speed, or if it is held back by it.

    However, plenty of kills will be "two swing" kills where both weapons hit. This is more likely when slowed, but half the time that will be because of cold enchanted (and therefore probably immune) or with holy freeze, and the probabilities of all that combined is a bit beyond me at present. But given that he either dies in one hit as in the previous supposition, or dies it two (and is therefore chilled) is complex enough to be essentially a flip of the coin at present.

    Combined, this would be expressed as a 25% chance of kills being not-chilled and 16.36% chance of being immune, and as 4.09% of the 25% non-chills being CI anyway, this results in only 20.91% chance of a kill not being chilled.

    I think I did that wrong that step, and I certainly don't remember the correct way to combine the not-chilled and the immune chances together into a single probability. But does this seem like a path worth pursuing?
    20% shatter of 80% of the bodies = 16% missing corpses (32 of 200)

    (avg * 168) / (168 - skipped(1)) / 1.54 = IF-CAT


    (IF-CAT * 168 + avg*32) / 200 = CAT

    I'm most interested in your thoughts about the potential shatter calculations. As well as any other ideas on the topic. I'm submitting the most conservative calculation in the meantime, until some consensus is come to.

    Ignoring corpse shatter math, the CAT is 24.315s. So corpse shattering in this sample cost me 2s on average, or 1s of efficiency. However, using lawbringer over oath gained me at a conservative minimum 3s CAT (counting shatters), a net gain of 1s (0.5s eff), and a very considerable amount of safety. The drop off of NDE's (and actual deaths) by using lawbringer was very very significant. With oath I found mana burn, fanat, might, extra strong, extra fast, and even blessed aim to be potentially lethal threats at times. Whereas with lawbringer that's cut down to just mana burn, and even then the mana burn runs were considerably safer.

    The loss of physical sources in the offhand was made up a fair bit by the presence of extra leech on the blade, and though the loss of STR scaling hurts, damage wise it still felt comparable. Sometimes lawbringer was slower, and sometimes it was faster. The biggest gain I feel was in the utter elimination of PI nonsense. Berserk just wasn't acceptable given how much my oath slowed it down, particularly when a lot of the time I was chilled when having to berserk. It also made it considerably easier to find pindle's corpse much of the time. Somewhat ironic given that it sometimes destroyed them. The destroyed corpses did feel a bit less common than the math bears out, but I'd rather take the potential hit there than count lost corpses. @[email protected]

    Something I'm considering for the next set is trying Steelrend in place of ghoulhide to see how 10% Crushing Blow compares to ~120%ED vs undead. The other potential tweak I can see if dropping some sharp charms for either more MF or some okay-ish 1.07 damage charms, given the ITD and -def% on my weapons. Making a fortitude is potentially an option too. Alternatively, a second grief PB instead, and throw on leviathan instead for safety purposes. That would probably necessitate finding an Um to toss into it though.
     
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  2. Gripphon

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    To keep things simple, I think we don't really need to bother with such complicated calculations regarding corpse shattering. Perhaps if someone uses Ravenfrost/global cold damage for both weapons, then we can include penalty cause of corpse shattering, but otherwise it's just too complicated.

    Why don't you try max block setup instead of Lawbringer?

    LK sorc... is that gems or no gems category of LK?
     
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    Ah, sorry. It's gems included. I edited the previous post as well, including removing the shattering penalty.

    A block set up could be something to consider, given that phase blades require so much dex already. I can give stormshield a try, that would actually cap DR, or open up the belt slot for something else. It would reintroduce the PI problem, of course, but at least berserk would be at max speed.

    Edit: Though, it occurs to me... I thought the monster charge from them and pit vipers was unavoidable via defense or block?

    Edit2: Did a set with stormshield, and a little more MF. Here's the (old) results:

    SC WW Barb
    Category: p7 Pindle
    Runs: 200
    MF: 238 (122eMF)
    AVG: 37.252s
    CAT: 24.19s
    IF: 54%
    Skipped: 0
    Adjeff: 5.4 fabians

    A very minor improvement, if any, though I partially blame the latter half of the set wherein everything was PI or manaburn. And the manaburn groups were uncannily lucky at locking down my mana in a lot of them. :\

    Still, that probably gives a clearer indication of how using a shield will go, long term. If being "mostly the same" as the lawbringer option is the case, it's still quite better due to better safety and not worrying about shattered corpses whatsoever. It should be pretty safe to drop the string of ears in this case as well. Perhaps for a blood belt? Even just a decent OW roll + STR could be a significant DPS jump, anything in addition is just gravy.

    Thank you for the suggestion. :)

    Oh, and I forgot to mention the merc: Atm he's using Treachery, Reaper's Toll, and Kira's Guardian (for CBF). I'm trying out Kira's mostly because of how important it is to get decrep up ASAP when without sanctuary. The FHR doesn't hurt, either.

    Edit the Second:

    Did three more sets. This time trying out a couple of blood belts:

    Code:
    200: 36.351s avg // 238MF (122 eMF) // 23.6s CAT (5.315 fabians)
    
    Spirit Buckle 
    Mesh Belt 
    Defense: 63 
    Durability: 16 of 16 
    Required Level: 56 
    Required Strength: 58 
    Fingerprint: 0x5a32175b 
    Item Level: 91 
    Version: Expansion 1.10+ 
    3% Life stolen per hit 
    5% Chance of Open Wounds 
    +55% Enhanced Defense 
    +10 to Strength 
    +34 to Life 
    Fire Resist +22% 
    
    
    
    
    The next one let me drop a FHR charm for a fine SC of str, and go up a frame.
    Code:
    200: 35.854s avg // 238MF (122 eMF) // 23.28s CAT (5.24 fabians) 
    200: 35.715s avg // 238MF (122 eMF) // 23.19s CAT (5.22 fabians)
    
    Rune Buckle 
    Mesh Belt 
    Defense: 57 
    Durability: 14 of 16 
    Required Level: 47 
    Required Strength: 58 
    Fingerprint: 0x351b97f6 
    Item Level: 90 
    Version: Expansion 1.10+ 
    +24% Faster Hit Recovery 
    3% Life stolen per hit 
    9% Chance of Open Wounds 
    +40% Enhanced Defense 
    +19 to Life 
    +12 to Mana 
    Fire Resist +8% 
    
    Fine Small Charm of Strength 
    Small Charm 
    Required Level: 21 
    Fingerprint: 0x550731ec 
    Item Level: 49 
    Version: Expansion 1.10+ 
    +3 to Maximum Damage 
    +17 to Attack Rating 
    +1 to Strength 
    
    
    I had hoped the OW itself would have made a bit bigger of a difference, but improvement is improvement. And a 10%OW 30STR belt is probably still worth shooting for. The FHR on this second one ended up being reasonably helpful; mostly with mana burn packs where swinging for mana leaves one open to charge lock. I despair of a third affix to get, though. I also moved some points from axe mastery left over from leveling into berserk. It made depressingly little difference overall, but it's not like there's anything better to do with the points.

    SC WW Barb
    Category: p7 Pindle
    Runs: 200
    MF: 238 (122eMF)
    AVG: 35.715s
    CAT: 23.19s
    IF: 54%
    Skipped: 0
    Adjeff: 5.22 fabians
     
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    Apologies for the double post. This update is big enough that it would make editing my previous post further instead messy/unclear.

    Short version:

    SC WW Barb
    Category: p7 Pindle
    Runs: 200 (0 skipped)
    AVG: 28.277s
    CAT: 18.24s
    MF: 255 (126 emF)
    IF: 55%
    Adjeff: 4.035 fabians


    Long version:

    I crafted a new blood belt, and tested it out. This time trading some FHR for 22 STR. I did a set with that, and then another using the stairs to see if it sufficiently speeded up my merc to make up for the annoyance of being in the corner. The answer was not really. From my .txt:


    Code:
    200: 1:58:50 // 35.652s avg // 26.446s fastest // 246MF (123.99 eMF) // 23.15s CAT (5.19 fabians) (10% OW/FHR 22STR)
    200: 1:57:58 // 35.393s avg // 26.144s fastest // 249MF (124 eMF) // 22.98s CAT (5.129 fabians) (10%OW/FHR 22STR; stair trick)

    I then decided to use my Lo to make a second Grief PB, and so I've regeared to use that:


    2x Grief PB / 2x HoTO
    The new grief:

    Grief
    Phase Blade
    EthTirLoMalRal
    One Hand Damage: 31 - 35
    Indestructible
    Required Level: 59
    Required Strength: 25
    Required Dexterity: 136
    Fingerprint: 0xeef5ed9b
    Item Level: **
    Version: Expansion 1.10+
    35% Chance to cast level 15 Venom on striking
    +31% Increased Attack Speed
    Damage +383
    Ignore Target's Defense
    -25% Target Defense
    +174% Damage to Demons (Based on Character Level)
    Adds 5 - 30 Fire Damage
    -22% to Enemy Poison Resistance
    20% Deadly Strike
    Prevent Monster Heal
    +2 to Mana after each Kill
    +13 Life after each Kill 5 Sockets (5 used)

    1.13 Shako (PTopaz)
    Highlord's
    Leviathan (rare jewel)
    1.13 Ghoulhide
    8/15 String of Ears
    74/30 Nagelring
    rare ring

    Code:
    Plague Heart 
    Jewel 
    Required Level: 27 
    Fingerprint: 0xa318104d 
    Item Level: 86 
    Version: Expansion 1.10+ 
    +7 to Maximum Damage 
    +26 to Attack Rating 
    Cold Resist +24% 
    5% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items 
    
    Bitter Master 
    Ring 
    Required Level: 65 
    Fingerprint: 0xbc5dea6d 
    Item Level: 80 
    Version: Expansion 1.10+ 
    +116 to Attack Rating 
    7% Life stolen per hit 
    +13 to Dexterity 
    Replenish Life +8 
    Cold Resist +5% 
    All Resistances +10
    dropped last two FHR charms for fine small charms to try out 0%FHR. Seemed fine.

    The string of ears unfortunately made a rather significant difference in the safety without a shield so no more open wounds for me. :(
    Perhaps the balance will change once I get 1.07 shako/ghoulhide, depending on what the then-necessary new ring looks like, but we'll see. In any case, this set up is a bit riskier, being rarely vulnerable to charge-lock (as opposed to never), and seeing slightly larger spikes of damage from nastier packs, however, it is manageable.

    Thanks to the rare jewel, I was able to pull LR and CR out of the negatives, which was pretty important for some conviction spawns I feel. I wouldn't mind getting a bit more of each as PI/LE leaves me open to getting spiked, and conviction/CE is occassionally terrifying. That'll fall to the whims of any random charm/ring upgrade/sidegrades. After needlessly dying a time or two while using the blood belt, I swapped on the string of ears and did the following set, and got a nice big jump in speed thanks to the shiny new grief:

    Code:
    200: 1:41:08 // 30.344s avg // 24.8s fastest // 254MF (125.99 eMF) // 19.577s CAT (4.35 fabians) (dual grief, 49%DR set up)
    *again with the obnoxious 0.01 away from the next eMF point
    I then also decided kira's was a terrible idea. It doesn't work against holy freeze, and the merc should still at least be able to get a full speed jab off against CE. So I decided to try out my 1.07 valk to see how the FRW helps him keep up / get into combat faster. As well as hitting the 75 ias jab BP and 9 frame FHR. Not sure what to socket it with. Perhaps something disposable like a shael to hit another frame of FHR. I did a set with an unsocketed valk, and am pleased with the results:

    Code:
    200: 1:34:48 // 28.443s avg // 23.4s fastest // 254MF (125.99 eMF) // 18.35s CAT (4.07 fabians) (dual grief as above, 1.07 valk on merc)
    Edit: Managed another set with a slight improvement in time and MF:

    Code:
    200: 1:30:15 // 28.277s avg // 23.716s fastest // 255MF (126 eMF) // 18.24s CAT (4.035 fabians)
    
    Barring luck with spawns and minor improvements in play, I don't think I can get much faster with the gear currently available to me. Hopefully upcoming enigma and 1.07 ghoulhides stand out as the big ones to be looking forward to.
     
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    SC Berserk barb
    Category: Pit p1
    MF: 776/656
    Item Find: 55%
    Runs: 50
    Bosses: 415 (8.3)
    Average time: 54.334
    Efficiency: 4.223 sec/bosspack
    Adjusted efficiency: 1.4759 fabians

    This is same barb and same map as before. Only difference is I changed amulet, replaced mana/life charms with mf charms, lowered AR to 10k (from 11k+) and bumped more points to Strength as well as Berserk synergies. Changes seem small, too small to make runs 3 sec faster than before, so I guess I'm inspired at playing since I was kind of afk of diablo for a while (except for pvp and crafting).

    I will eventually update tables since everything is messed up, but not that soon anyway.
     
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    Short version:

    SC WW Barb
    Category: p7 Pindle
    Runs: 200 (0 skipped)
    AVG: 24.246
    CAT: 15.64s
    MF: 376 (150 emF)
    IF: 55%
    Adjeff: 3.128 fabians


    Long version:

    More pindle as I'd like to hit 95 to start gambling away trav monies.

    As far as gear changes go, the biggest was swapping Leviathan for Enigma, but I also added more charms (a mix of damage and MF). In the first run I had 3 FHR charms, in the second I swapped them out for more MF charms.

    Code:
    200: 1:23:30 // 25.05s avg // 18.142s fastest // 362MF (147eMF) // 16.16s CAT (3.27 fabians) (-leviathan +enigma, more charms)
    200: 1:20:49 // 24.246s avg // 17.83s fastest // 376MF (150eMF) // 15.64s CAT (3.128 fabians) (charm swap: more dmg, more MF, less (0) FHR)
    
    I have the feeling that having no inventory space but within the cube is costing me some time here and there, but whether or not the extra damage charms make up for it, I can't tell. The first set of 200 by all rights should be a better set than the second, but for a fair bit of sloppy play getting back into the swing of things. Still, I'm happy with the second set in terms of having played it well and not having been so inundated with drops so as to cost me time.
     
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    SC WW Barb
    Category: p3 Travincal
    Runs: 100
    Hork: 56%
    Units skipped: 0
    Average time: 30.362s
    CAT: 18.788s

    Equipment and build for barb:
    Arreat's Face with jewel
    Blood Talisman
    Jewel
    Required Level: 37
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    Item Level: 86
    Fingerprint: 0xf58010c8
    +5 to Strength
    +27% Enhanced Damage
    6% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items
    38% Damage to Demons
    +41 to Attack Rating against Demons
    Enigma
    1.07 eth BA Griefs (379 and 380 dmg)
    Highlord's
    Arachnid Mesh
    1.13 LoH
    Gore Riders
    2x rare Rings
    Wraith Gyre
    Ring
    Required Level: 65
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    Item Level: 85
    Fingerprint: 0x916df67c
    +10 to Strength
    +111 to Attack Rating
    Fire Resist +28%
    Cold Resist +24%
    7% Life stolen per hit
    10% Faster Cast Rate

    Ghoul Knot
    Ring
    Required Level: 35
    Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
    Item Level: 96
    Fingerprint: 0x97f61349
    +48 to Mana
    +118 to Attack Rating
    +1 to Maximum Damage
    6% Life stolen per hit
    3% Mana stolen per hit
    10% Better Chance of Getting Magic Items

    Switch:
    dual hoto

    Inventory:
    40mf Gheed
    20max 30CR GC
    33max GC
    21max 72AR GC
    22max 50AR GC
    26max GC
    6max 12CR SC
    10max SC
    9max SC
    7mf 3/19 SC
    7mf 2/15 SC
    4mf 3/20 SC

    Skills:
    20 Find Item
    20 Battle Orders
    1 Battle Command
    20 WW
    10 Berserk
    20 Axe Mastery
    1 Inc. Speed
    2 Natural Resistance ([email protected])

    Stats:
    Strength: 247
    Dexterity: 104 (5k AR)
    Vitality: 194 (2.3k life)

    Merc:
    eth Reaper's with Shael
    [email protected] Kira's with ias FR jewel
    GA with ias FR jewel

    This time I went without half freeze duration from rings. It's very annoying to kill PI boss since I'm always chilled when I do that. I think I can get a little bit faster if I use half freeze duration mod on one of the rings. I went for 5k AR and put rest points into strength to boost damage. Now I have ~20% higher damage output than the last time I ran. Note that when you use weapons with ignore target defense, like Griefs, then AR is not important since only 3 bosses in Travincal actually have defense against you. I calculated it's more profitable to go for 4k AR and put rest points into Strength to boost damage.


    SC Blizzard sorc
    Category: p3 Travincal
    Runs: 100
    Units skipped: 1
    Average time: 20.993s
    CAT: 21.012s

    Equipment and build for sorc:
    1.13 Shako with Cham
    [email protected] Vipermagi with Um rune
    Death's Fathom with facet (+35/-5)
    Spirit shield (35fcr 109 mana)
    30 @ Mara's Kaleidoscope
    Arachnid Mesh
    40mf Chancies
    48mf War Travelers
    2x beta BKWB

    Switch:
    14bo CtA
    Spirit shield

    Inventory:
    40mf Gheed
    5x cold skiller
    6 SCs to cover fire and lite resists
    4x4 empty space

    Skills:
    1 Warmth
    1 Teleport
    11 Static Field (20 yards radius)
    20 in Blizzard and all synergies (9743 Blizz dmg without BC)
    8 cold mastery (-150)

    Mercenary:
    Infinity
    Guardian Angel with ias FR jewel
    Vampire Gaze with Ral

    Strategy with sorc: I didn't use battle command since it's losing of time. I just BO-ed, switched to Fathom, got to council, 1 blizzard on them, spam static field for 2 secs, blizzard again, ice blast/glacial spike etc. Sorc has 872 mana which is enough to totally avoid drinking pots of any kind to refill mana.

    Items collected: gems, jewels, rare and unique rings, unique amulets, useful unique items, Rals, Sols, small and grand charms. With sorc collected 19 pgems, with barb 24.
     
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    Would 1.07 Arreat's help in 1.13?
     
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    It certainly can. Biggest advantage of 1.13 Arreat is it offers considerably higher survivability via lifesteal and resists. 1.07 Arreat offers more damage (difference is rather small) for those who don't have survivability problems.
     
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    Does the 15% target def work on the bosses?
     
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    If it works as -15% target defense, then I would say it should work. Against bosses at 50% efficiency, so -7.5% defense against bosses.

    SC WW Barb
    Category: p3 Travincal
    Runs: 100
    Hork: 56%
    Units skipped: 0
    Average time: 26.890s
    CAT: 16.640s
    Gems: no

    Items picked up: jewels, rare and unique rings, unique amulets, Rals, Sols, small and grand charms, useful uniques.

    Basically I collected everything as before minus gems (no wasting time on picking them, no wasting time on cubing them into perfect). Apparently gems alone add like 3.5 seconds to average time when you pick up flawlesses + cube them into perfects, at least for me. Just did this out of curiosity to see how much difference does it make.

    EDIT

    SC WW Barb
    Category: p3 Travincal
    Runs: 100
    Hork: 56%
    Units skipped: 0
    Average time: 29.484s
    CAT: 18.245s
    Gems: yes

    Managed to do first time sub 30 with collecting and cubing gems. Collected all other items like stated above as well. 22 pgems total, a bit below average for a barb.
     
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    Well in 1.07 my understanding is that "15% target def" just sets their def to 15% of it's total. I'm not sure if it applies to all monsters or if the mod works at all in 1.13.

    Code:
    Arreat's Face
    Slayer Guard
    Defense: 151
    Durability: 40 of 55
    (Barbarian Only)
    Required Strength: 118
    Required Level: 42
    Item Version: Expansion
    Item Level: 87
    Fingerprint: 0x4c9953a1
    +30 to Life
    +25% Enhanced Defense
    +2 to Barbarian Skill Levels
    15% Target Defense
    +1 to Combat Skills (Barbarian Only)
    +44 to Maximum Damage (0.5 per Character Level)
    
     
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    I cannot even begin to fathom how you are going that fast Gripphon. I know you're super-pro at spying what flies up while spam horking, but still...

    Pharphis according to this the 1.07/1.08 arreat's 15% def effect worked in PvP so it probably works on boss monsters. He/she also said it was an item that retroactively changed existing copies online when future patches came out, so moving it forward might change the effect to -15%.
     
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    Well, I optimized my barb as much as I could. Now I don't have much room to further improvements. Even with perfect possible equipment, my damage would increase by ~11%, and under perfect I mean 40 maxers, non-existable rings and perfect superior Griefs.

    Also since I hork while holding alt, I can easily see what drops. Well, I can easily see runes, other things are harder to see. I'm not really concerned if I miss item here and there, sometimes I even leave item on purpose if it is in my blind spot (every map has one, that is the spot where you can't see item unless you waste a lot of time digging or walking around). That way I do miss every item I usually pick up with time. Only items I will actually go to dig up are charms, facets and runes. For rest items I won't waste my time, its not worth it. I don't miss many items though. On 100 runs I assume I miss maybe some charm (that I don't see it drop), some ring, several flawlesses (left on purpose). If I were cautious about leaving stuff behind, I would be considerably slower wasting 2-3 seconds every run to scan 100% what dropped (well, not 100%, its still those blind spots etc). Not worth it at all. "If that one ring I decided to left on the ground is a jackpot, then be it" is my stance about that kind of stuff.

    Both those reasons make me quite fast.
     
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  15. NagisaFurukawa

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    SC Blizzard sorceress at /p3 Travincal.

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    No gems picked up and pauses for moving stuff to stash.

    Gripp confirmed unbeatable etc.
     
  16. Gripphon

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    SC Blizzard Sorc
    Travincal players 3
    Units skipped: 2
    Average time: 19.505 s
    CAT: 19.541 s
    Gems: yes, farmed 17 pgems total

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    Running times include cubing gems and putting items to stash as well as killing Trav. More than pleased with this score, it's 1.5 seconds better than my last best one. However I'm not sure sorc herself is better cause this time I went in with 0 MF, literally, but with higher damage. My barb is still more than second ahead of sorc + has good amount of MF unlike sorc, but at least she is possible to improve. Including MF part, all I need are boots with MF, Ists socketed into equipment and Gheed. She would then have at least 130+ MF and would feel much better overall.

    Equipment:
    19% NMW with 5% facet
    12% Blizzard Ormus with 5% facet
    30% Fathom with 5% facet
    10 fcr strength allres 2 soc amulet
    35 fcr Spirit
    Snowclash
    Trang Claws
    2x beta BKWB
    Boots with 10frw 40FR 30CR replenish

    Inventory: 5x cold skiller, 18allres GC, rest charms to cover resists to have close to 75.

    Blizzard damage: 13686

    EDIT
    Another record.

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    SC Blizzard Sorc
    Travincal p3
    Units skipped: 2
    Acg time: 19.436
    CAT: 19.471
    Gems: 15 + 2 flawlesses
     
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  17. Espr

    Espr IncGamers Member

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    Very shiny times guys!

    Short version:

    SC WW Barb
    Category: p8 Pindle
    Runs: 200 (0 skipped)
    AVG: 20.585s
    CAT: 13.195s
    MF: 358MF (147eMF)
    IF: 56%
    Adjeff: 2.69 fabians

    SC WW Barb
    Category: p3 Travincal
    Runs: 200 (0 skipped)
    AVG: 48.698s avg
    CAT: 31.21s
    IF: 56%

    Long version:

    TRAVINCAL P3 WW RUNS

    Code:
    1216: 19:56:28 // 59.037s avg // 37.5s fastest // 37.844s CAT (RFO 2014 round 1)
    1420 19:58:06 // 50.624s avg // 35.478s fastest // 32.45s CAT (RFO 2014 round 2)
    200: 2:42:19 // 48.698s avg // 34.9s fastest //  31.21s CAT (post RFO)
    Time spent picking up darn near everything, including 4'th belt slot open for potion clearing, most (unfortunately mostly unehanced) gold stacks, blue monarchs, claws, and the usual rares/gems/runes.

    The runs were a mix of running through kurast to the WP, and using town portal scrolls to S&E in act4 a good chunk of the time. 4x4 Inventory spaces were kept free.

    The gear:
    Grief (Phase Blades) // 2x HoTO
    Highlord's Wrath
    Arreat's (diamond jewel, 37%ED/+37AR vs Demons)
    Enigma Light Plate
    Arachnid's Mesh
    Laying of Hands
    Gore Rider's

    Rare Rings:
    Code:
    Wraith Finger
    Ring
    Required Level: 51
    Fingerprint: 0xda547c20
    Item Level: 80
    Version: Expansion 1.10+
    +10% Faster Cast Rate
    +9 to Minimum Damage
    +15 to Attack Rating
    6% Life stolen per hit 
    
    Storm Touch
    Ring
    Required Level: 74
    Fingerprint: 0x4e7168b4
    Item Level: 87
    Version: Expansion 1.10+
    +119 to Attack Rating
    6% Mana stolen per hit
    7% Life stolen per hit
    Replenish Life +4
    +18 to Mana
    All Resistances +3
    

    The Merc:


    Reaper's Toll (Shael)
    Kira's Guardian [email protected] (15%IAS/18%Fire Resist)
    Guardian Angel (15%IAS/55AR)

    PINDLE

    p7 runs
    Code:
    200: 1:09:38 // 20.89s avg // 15.16s fastest // 327MF (141eMF) // 13.39s CAT (2.778 fabians)
    200: 1:10:50  // 21.269s avg // 16.37s fastest // 358MF (147eMF) // 13.63s CAT (2.75 fabians)
    
    p8 runs
    Code:
    200: 1:12:52 // 21.862s avg // 15.85s fastest // 327MF (141eMF) // 14.01s CAT (2.9 fabians)
    200: 1:08:37 // 20.585s avg // 15.26s fastest // 358MF (147eMF) // 13.195s CAT (2.67 fabians)
    
    The difference in speed between p7 and p8 is now negligible for this character, which is good for the primary goal of exp!

    The gear set up has changed again, and this time significantly enough I feel it's worth going over everything in full:

    1.07 eth zerker Griefs // 2xHoTo
    Highlord's Wrath
    1.13 Shako (PTopaz)
    Enigma Light Plate
    1.07 Ghoulhide
    Arachnid's Mesh
    War Travs (43% MF)

    Rare Rings, FCR replaced thank to rawness and nulio, but other same as above:
    Code:
    Stone Knot
    Ring
    Required Level: **
    Fingerprint: 0x1f6e05a
    Item Level: 86
    Version: Expansion 1.10+
    +10% Faster Cast Rate
    +104 to Attack Rating
    3% Life stolen per hit
    +17 to Strength
    +14 to Life
    Lightning Resist +9%
    

    The Merc:
    Reaper's Toll(Shael)
    Treachery
    Kira's Guardian [email protected] (15%IAS/18%Fire Resist)
    *Kira's mostly for the ias/fhr and cannot be frozen.

    So now I'm running at 105FCR with an additional 1% in itemfind, at the sacrifice of ~30%MF, and SoE. The significant loss of dex in switching weapon types from phase blades isn't significant at all, unlike with Trav. I've still got 92%+ chance to hit as before, mostly thanks to ghoulhide; even dropping a high Steel GC of Maiming for Gheed's from my Trav set up.

    The free inventory space from Trav goes to the cube and mostly 7% MF charms, but a couple of 6%'s with good affixes.
     
  18. NagisaFurukawa

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    SC Baal (Lister only)

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    The first one is pure Lightning sorceress, while the second one is Blizzard/Lightning hybrid.

    Pure: 2400ish HP, 1300ish mana, 29k (max) Lightning damage
    Hybrid: 2500ish HP, 950ish mana, 5k Blizzard damage, 11k (max) Lightning damage

    The pure build is a bit lacking in gear compared to the hybrid (lolWizardspike vs 30% DF), but I suppose it still won out in the end.
     
  19. pharphis

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    This just in, Nagisa managed to do 40 runs
     
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    SC Javazon
    Lister category
    Average time: 1:54.753

    Some experimental Javazon build to see how fast she can kill Lister. First I went with "standard" Javazon build looking toward 55 IAS for attack, but after some time I saw it is quite uncomfortable to run that way since I missed mana leech and my mana was constantly lowish. So I swapped in amulet with skills/mana leech/resists instead of HLW trying out 30 IAS. I thought, since monsters die very fast, is 55 IAS really that important? My answer is no, it is not. Actually I find 30 IAS with more resists/leech more comfortable and, after some testing, faster than 55 IAS setup (~3-4 seconds). So I decided I like 30 IAS more and went that way. Perhaps high mpk ring is solution to deal with 55 IAS setup properly.

    Another question is to take dodges or not? First I took dodges, and it was incredibly painful to tele and to attack. When I didn't take dodges at all, she tele'd normally and attacked normally, only ~35% block slowing her down. So, no dodges is way better option IMO. I was several seconds faster when I didn't take dodges.

    To compare running times, lite sorc reported in here was 1:54.324, so ~0.4 seconds faster than this Javazon. And I did 3 sets of 20 runs to take best result to compare with sorc. But, unlike sorc, my Javazon can be improved so I guess Javazon is little bit faster than lite sorc in the end. In running times I included times when I swap one javelin with another since I used eth Titan's Revenge, and they did lose quantity with time. Had to swap them every 5 runs.

    Equipment and skills:
    Griffon's Eye (+15 -18) with 15ias 8max dmg jewel
    Enigma
    2 amazon, 17allres, 5 ML, 17 mana amulet
    eth Titan's Revenge
    Head Hunter's Glory (3x 5% -4% lite res facets)
    Razortail Belt
    2 java, 20 IAS, knockback, 28 FR gloves
    Ravenfrost
    10fcr 18 PR 9LL 5ML 18 life ring
    Sandstorm Treks (68 PR)

    Switch: 35 fcr spirit + BO stick

    Inventory: 9x java skiller, cube, some charms with mana, rest charms with lite resist

    Merc: Infinity, Kira's Guardian, CoH

    Skills:
    1 Pierce, rest in synergies for Fury and Charged Strike
    Stats: Str and Dex enough to carry gear, rest vitality

    Life: 3k
    Mana: 600
    Fury damage: 1-3609 (level 40)
    Charged Strike: 1-9632 (level 40)

    Poison resist is pretty much maxed which is nice, but not needed. Fire resist is useless. Lite resist is nice to have at some positive value so that random Gloams don't tear you apart. I had 48 lite res when teleporting and 13 when attacking. In general, if your Javazon has good amount of life (I have 3k with all plain skillers), you can bypass resists if you want to. Or max Lite resist if you feel like it. Poison is usefull too, I guess, but fire is useless. I had -50% or something like that at first, and it means nothing. That one wave where it matters, they die fast anyway. Now ended with 2 fire resist in the end since equipment is like it is.
     
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