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Somone Must be Held Responsible *Revised*

Discussion in 'Diablo 3 General Discussion' started by horadrimm, Oct 4, 2013.

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  1. horadrimm

    horadrimm IncGamers Member

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    I revised my original post on the Bnet forums and once again it got deleted. Talk about extreme censorship! Please read and tell me how this violated the rules:


    So after all this time of there being an auction house available in D3, Blizzard finally figured out that it short circuits their "core reward loop". If you believe this then stop reading, now.

    My opinion is that Blizzard knew the AH diminished a core gameplay mechanic all along. I think they were smart enough to figure before D3's release that people would gravitate towards buying items instead of finding them. The following statements are based on this belief:

    We must now question who made the decision that would sacrifice a core element of Diablo and possibly jeopardize the franchise.

    Jay Wilson is not responsible. He was only the director and second to Rob Pardo, producer of Diablo 3. The auction house would not exist if Pardo didn't give it the green light. The buck stops with him.

    But fans and devs alike should ask themselves if they really want a person that was willing to sacrifice a core gameplay element of D3 to be producer of future games of the franchise.

    They say the first step of solving a problem is admitting you have one. Blizz did that recently with the announcement of closing of the AH. But this is only treating a symptom of the real problem. Now is a time for change, Blizzard. Someone must be held responsible.
     
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    So your definition of "revised" is to add "my opinion is" to the original post? Because that is basically all you did, for the rest it is nearly just the same post. I'm sorry, but it still sounds angry, demanding, and lustful for blood. I am hard pressed to find any constructive feedback in there.

    Furthermore, I'm afraid you already blew your chances of getting this point across. A repost of a thread which has been deleted, that is never a good idea if you want people to listen to you. Frankly, if you keep posting it over and over again there, a ban or at least a temporary suspension is not far off.

    And on a side note, "censorship" is not a good word to use on a forum. While a forum is public, you are still a guest there, and the ability to post is more a privilege than a right. The analogy we are making here for more than 10 years is, if you are a guest in someone's house and you insult the host, you can't invoke Freedom of Speech if he kicks you out.
     
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    Well one issue with Blizzard is like a lot of big companies, PR and their company image is a big deal. A lot of people got banned (like Mannercookie) just saying rampant duping or hacking is bad, but guys like Skillol can go around harrassing and trolling people and get reported 100s of times and not get banned.

    Right now as long as you are defending Blizzard you can harrass and troll people as much as you like, that's why I think a lot of streamers generally avoid the Blizzard forums, it's basically an in-house "yes-man" place and not a place to actually talk about issues of the game, they really aren't interested in hearing feedback, if they were the game wouldn't be in the current place it is among ARPGs in the genre.
     
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    I do hold someone responsible - the responsible ones are the ones that actually have given Bliz money in the past decade, despite the obvious contempt they have for their own consumers since WoW shipped.

    They're just a business that responds to the feedback their customers give them, and, obviously, they've eaten it all up with a spoon despite a decline in quality that could be seen from space.
     
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    There was nothing really wrong with the AH, and there is nothing really wrong with removing it. Both decisions are just changing the ups and downs of a certain part of the game. Adding it didn't destroy the game, and removing it won't save the game. What made Diablo 2 so playable wasn't the lack of an AH, and what made Diablo 3 a bit of a disappointment for many people wasn't the AH.

    There is nothing to be held responsible for, because 12+ million copies sold is already a success in the eyes of the industry. There is a reason we saw that picture of a bazillion champagne bottles on a table outside Blizzard HQ.
     
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    The long-term damage to what was a nearly-spotless brand as of two years ago is hardly a success, especially when considering that much of those sales were WoW-Sub gimmes, and the quarter-bil of legitimate sales is barely 5% of ATVI's gross revenue.

    Maybe QA types and journos in the industry were impressed, but everyone above that was more impressed with how quickly twenty years of building reputation was trashed.
     
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    I'll have to check out Skillol's posts. Seems like my kind of guy(gal?).

    It's so refreshing to find people who agree with me. Those on the diablofans.com forum are such fanboys they're afraid to say anything critical about the game.
     
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    agreed. the post is just lusting for blood at this point. It was a mistake on their part for not realizing right away how it would fundamentally go against the core of the game and you can't blame them for trying to make extra revenue. I think if they want to make extra revenue they should focus on aesthetics like $2 for a special armor look or helm look etc. Rob Pardo has even said he takes full responsibility actually and to not blame it on Jay. At this point lets be glad they're coming around and making the right decisions. A lot of us want to play a "better version of d2" and RoS might deliver.
     
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    Nope. You have no right to demand the individual's name. What legitimate purpose would you possibly need this for? There is none. Even asking the question raises the possibility of stalking, and frankly makes you sound unbalanced. Blizzard was 100% right in deleting your posts.
     
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    One of their games beeing less then perfect won't change their reputation as a high-quality game-maker. You can believe whatever you want, but Blizzard will continue to sell games by the truckload in the future and people will continue to enjoy those games. There is nothing about Diablo 3 that is so horrible that it can "trash" their reputation.
     
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    Blizzard South had no right treating the franchise the way they did.
     
  12. Nizaris

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    The OP posted a witch hunt. That's why it got shut down. It sounds like it was a self-satisfying attempt to point a finger. Once somebody is "held accountable," what then?

    I attended the press conference at Blizzard HQ when they announced to the hand-selected press and fan sites. Every argument you've seen since it's public announcement was brought up. The Auction House in it of itself was not the problem - it was the entire item system from the ground up that was. That poisonous root filtered into every other system and crippled the experience. Speaking with Pardo, they were convinced that there would be enough end-game content and item pool to keep the hunt going for a long, long time. They were very, very wrong. (Especially with the main-hand dps switch that came so late in the dev cycle that upended everything they'd done previously - from skills to items)

    There's many ways to implement an Auction House that isn't cancerous. Take WoW for an example of how it could work. But they didn't build on "what works" - they tried something completely new while throwing caution to the wind. That mistake is being overturned.

    What more could you want? Take them to the high court and sentence them? Your request sounds unreasonable and irascible. People make mistakes. Let them take their new tack and make your decision from there.
     
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    Just being ridiculously over the top melodramatic, or do you really mean they shouldn't have spent years and millions of dollars developing it?
     
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    Actually, they did have the right considering they literally own it and you don't. Silly horadrimm........
     
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    horadrimm IncGamers Member

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    Why do you guys get so riled about this post? Looks like Pardo's D3 street team is out in full force trying to repair Blizzard's reputation. Are you guys that desperate for an ROS beta invite, hoping someone from Bnet spots your posts?
     
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    Because your original post was over the top and completely unreasonable.
     
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    What noodle said.

    Personally, I'm also tired of incessant internet complaining about games (not just D3, but with other ones too).

    I'm not a fan of the way D3 turned out. I wish they'd done things differently. I wish it had a better story, I wish the story was presented differently, I wish it had a different style of graphics, I wish it had better itemization, I wish it had never had an RMAH.... but it is what it is. They've fixed a lot. Hopefully the expansion will fix more. Some of my personal gripes will never get fixed (graphics/art style), so I have to either deal (I will) or go home. Because if I wanted a game that was designed just for me, I'd have to make it myself.

    If I'm buying games from Blizard, I have to deal with what they put out. If I don't like it, and if I feel they're not responding to issues, it's always my right to stop supporting them (ie: Don't buy expansion. If you're really mad, just don't get any future Blizzard games. If enough of the internet complainers actually did this, it would add up to something serious. I suspect the majority cave in though). At any rate, it's not my right to demand people get fired, names get listed, etc, etc.

    PS: As an aside from the other end, I'm also getting tired of companies putting out games that simply feel painfully unfinished under the assumption that there'll be an initial outcry, and then people will stop caring. That's really getting played out. So is DLC, but that's one of the single gripes I don't really have with Blizzard fortunately.
     
  18. Nizaris

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    It is now abundantly apparent that not even you believe what you say. Resorting to ad hominem instead of reasoned explanation is a sure bet to tag yourself as a troll. I'm not sure what point you're trying to prove or what your goal was by posting this here, but if you honestly can't understand the reason why people think your post is nonsense, I don't think you'll find this thread to be constructive.

    I'm pretty sure you wouldn't accept any answer that wasn't your own. Why post a discussion if you can't understand, evaluate, and respond appropriately to a valid rebuttal?
     
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    Everyone else here sounds pretty calm, you're the only one who sounds "riled".

    Trolls hate it when people make sense. :wave:
     
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    His OP was just the start but he's now evolved into full on Level 5 Troll Mode.
     
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