something i've always wondered

TerminalVertigo

Diabloii.Net Member
something i've always wondered

at what point do ss gcs stop being worth using?

ill explain.

you can go 37x small 32020s

or

9 45sslifers and 10 32020s

each shape shift grand charm you use helps the others, and the more you have the better, as they all work off each other (im fairly certain on this)

what set of charms gives you the best ar life and dmg?

all 320s?
all ss lifers?
6 ss lifers and 320s?
3ss lifers and 320s?

can someone test this and debunk it once and for all?

gear:

ebotdz
fort
highlords
two p ravens
gores
jalals
dungos
storm shield

everyone who tests this come back with different numbers.

lets solve this once and for all.
 

ToThePoint

Diabloii.Net Member
You just set up an equality.
base +extra shapeskillers vs base+removed skillers+replaced scs
that way you can figure out which gives the best for each of the 4 figures you gave.
Usually you wont get 1 setup being better in all areas than and other and how to balance them is often just down to preference whether you prefer ar or life or whatever.
 
you didn't include base stats, so I am setting this up as a common 96 str jalals forti build with dext for max block and the rest to vita to start off with:

lvl 91 druid

with 45 life shifters, 10 3/20/20, and 30ed/9dext/7fhr jalals:



2754- 8584 dmg
20016 ar
9178 life


with 6 45 lifers, rest 3/20/20s

2659-8674 dmg
20679 ar
9223 life


with 3 45 life shifters, rest 3/20/20s

2565-8737 dmg
21104 ar
9255 life


with 1 45 life shifter, rest 32020s
2502-8763 dmg
21256 ar
9268 life


with all 32020s
2471-8772 dmg
21291 ar
9273 life


conclusion - no combination of shifters to 32020s is better than using all 32020s.
 

marcello

Banned
This doesnt count in for Rabies I assume, since the SS-skillers should be more beneficial in that case or?
 
marcello said:
This doesnt count in for Rabies I assume, since the SS-skillers should be more beneficial in that case or?

yes, shape lifers > r/f, but all 32020s > pure fury.

personally I would have some 138/45 grands in there, since we are purely talkign about perfect charms.
 

Kosmos

Diabloii.Net Member
inkanddagger said:
with 45 life shifters, 10 3/20/20, and 30ed/9dext/7fhr jalals:

2754- 8584 dmg = 5669 avg dmg
20016 ar
9178 life

with all 32020s
2471-8772 dmg = 5622 avg dmg
21291 ar
9273 life


conclusion - no combination of shifters to 32020s is better than using all 32020s.
as you can see the damage is better using shapeskillers. The difference in damage wil be much bigger using a Grief instead of Botd.

Also the higher you get in lvl the more points you can put in vita. So at lvl 99 your life will be higher using shaperskillers.

Only thing that is better with 32020's is ar really and thats just slightly.

Conclusion. For a grief fury druid(wich is the best weapon for a fury druid) shapeskillers is the way to go.
 
I will edit to lvl 99 and grief to check that out. i knw the avg dmg was better, but it seemed so small that ar/life would make up?

dmg with 15% sup + 400 griefp

37 32020s: 5694 -7387 dmg

10 45 life shifters with 10 32020s: 6452-7038
 
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