Some PvP "Bad Manner" Q's

[Asheron]

anything that leads to your opponents death is bee em.

 

[mortic]

Well everything that is legit is GM rest is BM
in this sence teleporting, amp, lower resist, life tap is GM
using 2 angelic ring + amulet, desync game with shift-charge is BM

Healing potion is legit item in the game. Is it GM to use it in duels?

I don't get why using 2 angelic rings is BM. When using 2 rings and 1 amulet, I only have the set bonus of 2 items.

 

[Tanatus]

Healing potion is legit item in the game. Is it GM to use it in duels?

I don't get why using 2 angelic rings is BM. When using 2 rings and 1 amulet, I only have the set bonus of 2 items.

Set itself include 1 rings 1 amulet 1 ring mail and 1 sabre and meant to use this way not 2 rings and gaining bonus like you using 2 different items from the set (note: using 1 ring + 1 ammulet is perfectly legal - its partial set)
About using portions ... if ppl before duel agree not to use em - then using em is BM otherwise who care's?
daticus - want real paladins duel best place to go is palapk

 

[wvx_leader_returns]

man the best paladin duels are found in temple. no doubt. palapk is OK but temple beats it by a long shot. and if you cant beat them cause they take away something like a cta or tele, then maybe you arent as good as you say you are eh - and im not talking directly to anyone there

-wvx

 

[daticus]

daticus... in a sense your right - but in a sense your wrong... paladins like to duel with class. thats just how we do it... we duel temple with rules... you say go before dueling, the other person has to say it... i mean its not as rutheless and idiotic as pubbys... if you have no problems with the idiots you find in public duels - then go right on ahead and duel them... but once you get nked 20 times and swarmed by a party of 7 cause you are 'too good' - you might start wishing there were more classy duels... and you may have had to deal with that **** - and if you like it - then cool

-wvx

Most of the pubbies paladins i duel are really cocky and are jerks. But I just leave/ignore. And if i get NK'ed, I leave; If i get teamed, that's fine, I can hold my own or I just leave. I'm just saying these leagues don't have to be D2 ****'s and imposs all those rules to make dueling "legit."

 

[wvx_leader_returns]

Most of the pubbies paladins i duel are really cocky and are jerks. But I just leave/ignore. And if i get NK'ed, I leave; If i get teamed, that's fine, I can hold my own or I just leave. I'm just saying these leagues don't have to be D2 ****'s and imposs all those rules to make dueling "legit."

first of all - there arent too many rules. second - the only reason why they are there is to make dueling fun. i mean sure holding your own against a party of 7 can be fun, but getting nked etc isnt, and most the time you find the classy better duelers in those private games with jsut a few rules.

-wvx

 

[Mr.Glasscock]

Most of the pubbies paladins i duel are really cocky and are jerks. But I just leave/ignore. And if i get NK'ed, I leave; If i get teamed, that's fine, I can hold my own or I just leave. I'm just saying these leagues don't have to be D2 ****'s and imposs all those rules to make dueling "legit."

Have you even read Clan Honor's site and/or forums? the rules are not just there to "make dueling 'legit'"

Some of the reasons why those rules are there is because it allows lots of variants to come in. Who would want to try a zeal enchant sorc in a league that allows moronic tele marrowwalk necs? It gives people a chance who have a fun idea to go with it and not be creamed by the rest.

The best part is that most of the duelers there can stay in their GM gear and completely kill the vast majority of BM users.

Dont just blindly say the rules are just there to make it legit. EVERYTHING is legit; amp, lifetap, stuff like that, because blizz intended to have it. The rules are there to make it fun and not just have ch being another crap pub community.

 

[daticus]

Have you even read Clan Honor's site and/or forums? the rules are not just there to "make dueling 'legit'"

Some of the reasons why those rules are there is because it allows lots of variants to come in. Who would want to try a zeal enchant sorc in a league that allows moronic tele marrowwalk necs? It gives people a chance who have a fun idea to go with it and not be creamed by the rest.

The best part is that most of the duelers there can stay in their GM gear and completely kill the vast majority of BM users.

Dont just blindly say the rules are just there to make it legit. EVERYTHING is legit; amp, lifetap, stuff like that, because blizz intended to have it. The rules are there to make it fun and not just have ch being another crap pub community.

I didn't blindly say anything. I dueled in clans (Gimme Item) and the only good part about it are the people. But what is "fun" is relative, and I definitely dont find rules fun, as long as people don't NK, I'm fine. Team up, trash talk all you want; its all part of the "fun" for me (and i bet a lot other people). So if you want to be in a clan that puts restrictions on what u can use, that's fine.

As far as CH allowing dif. builds to duel and make it "fair." Why dont you just join a game called "Noob duels." I'm sure your out of the box build can kill something in there.

 

[DarkClaw]

yea all the one's you mentioned are still bm in any respectable dueling place. of course in pubs anything goes.

Ok thanks for your answer. I also forgot to ask about Holy Freeze. So Doom is also "BM" correct? And could somebody drop a link to things banned by temple? I'd like to look into it. Personally, all these things I thought were "BM" to me personally, but I wanted to get the forums thoughts on it (mainly cause I saw a lot of ppl talking about Exile, Astreon's Iron Ward, and Lacerator.)

So I guess I'll go a bit off topic and throw in the question. Do non-"BM" V/Ts usually use Silence/+skill quickness weapons still for smite?

Thanks for the replies guys.


DarkClaw

 

[wvx_leader_returns]

As far as CH allowing dif. builds to duel and make it "fair." Why dont you just join a game called "Noob duels." I'm sure your out of the box build can kill something in there.

That right there is starting a fight you cant win... you dont know how many greats are in or have tried CH...

I've been for both sides of the arguement at different times, but after being around for a long time in d2 - i chose things like temple over pubs... That trash talking gets old if you are over the age of 10. Especially on west... it gets terrible. And dont make it sound like all clans have good people... There are a lot of clans that are bliz sorc / wind druid / bone nec only nkers that steal gold and talk trash even when they are completely taken down.

But sure... the pub duels are fun everyonce in a while... but in places like temple, w/e - you have friends... have people helping you out - no trash talking and they do its hilarious and sarcastic - its better.

-wvx

 

[wvx_leader_returns]

And could somebody drop a link to things banned by temple? I'd like to look into it.

http://forums.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=127158

After a long time of searching there she is... my goodness that is an old thread... i think it was the end of january if i remember what i JUST read... it has me posting as wvx_leader in there... lol

lol. Thats BASICALLY it - some might be changed a little, but thats about what it is... also - dont post in it. its too old and chris made it and chris is gone these days

-wvx

 

[Milamber]

woa there tanatus... enough wrong info... i know your a fan of low resist - but dont say its good mannered. i think its universal here that what you called good manners is really bad manners.

-wvx

:lol: like this is a uncommon occurance. hehe

 

[wvx_leader_returns]

:lol: like this is a uncommon occurance. hehe

:lol: :lol: as mean as that was... it was hilarious...

hahaha...

-wvx

 

[Mr.Glasscock]

Ok thanks for your answer. I also forgot to ask about Holy Freeze. So Doom is also "BM" correct? And could somebody drop a link to things banned by temple? I'd like to look into it. Personally, all these things I thought were "BM" to me personally, but I wanted to get the forums thoughts on it (mainly cause I saw a lot of ppl talking about Exile, Astreon's Iron Ward, and Lacerator.)

So I guess I'll go a bit off topic and throw in the question. Do non-"BM" V/Ts usually use Silence/+skill quickness weapons still for smite?

Thanks for the replies guys.


DarkClaw

In temple holy freeze isn't bm as long as its your own aura. But things like doom and exile aren't allowed since you'd have 2 auras going on at once. You can try to stack auras like in .09, flashing hf then going on with fana, but that barely works anymore since auras disappear after about a second instead of 3-4 seconds.

Astreon's is relatively slow so I wouldn't use it. Lacerators is also slow i think, it has terrible range, and the amp on it also makes it bm. There's a thread around here that puts the 2 together and has a checklist of pro's/con's (mostly con's though, haha)

For v/t's silence phase blade or zerker is still a very very good choice with all the mods it has. And v/ts are still using rosebranded/priests of quickness weapons to smite. If you're making one try to get an upgraded Herald of Zakarum; it will really help your smite damage with the already great mods of the shield itself.

There's a nice v/t guide at the top of the forum, and focuses only on good mannered real duels. I forgot if you mentioned you already read it, if so, then never mind :cheesy:

 

[Mr.Glasscock]

I didn't blindly say anything. I dueled in clans (Gimme Item) and the only good part about it are the people. But what is "fun" is relative, and I definitely dont find rules fun, as long as people don't NK, I'm fine. Team up, trash talk all you want; its all part of the "fun" for me (and i bet a lot other people). So if you want to be in a clan that puts restrictions on what u can use, that's fine.

As far as CH allowing dif. builds to duel and make it "fair." Why dont you just join a game called "Noob duels." I'm sure your out of the box build can kill something in there.

I think it's spelled Gimmeitam.

Alright i understand that fun to you is 7v1, townguarding, spamming mb and ibs. So that's settled. you prefer that, i prefer my own "fun" environment.

I didn't get the "Noob duels" comment; if its sarcasm, its really bad. And if you actually meant that i would get a kill in there with odd creative builds then you're mistaken; those games are full of blizz sorcs, necs with oak sage and bo, and trapsins spamming mb all day.

 

[FoodPoisoning]

No, it's spelled GiMMEiTAM
lots of intellegence in this thread

 

[daticus]

I think it's spelled Gimmeitam.

Alright i understand that fun to you is 7v1, townguarding, spamming mb and ibs. So that's settled. you prefer that, i prefer my own "fun" environment.

I didn't get the "Noob duels" comment; if its sarcasm, its really bad. And if you actually meant that i would get a kill in there with odd creative builds then you're mistaken; those games are full of blizz sorcs, necs with oak sage and bo, and trapsins spamming mb all day.

I don't normally go 7v1, never townguard, and if asn MB and ibs that's fine. If you die cuz of MB then your char doesn't have enough FHR.

I'm not saying I like pub's, but I prefer it to any league that has rules. I did enjoy the friendlier enviroment of GI, people were nice. But not at the expense of my enjoyment of the game.

As for my noob duels, i was being sarcastic, and I totally meant that a "odd creative" build would get owned. In my opinion, you shouldn't lower your oponent just because you can't kill them.