Some cLvl questions

Some cLvl questions

O.K, i need to get this clarified. Mephisto CANNOT drop items past a certain item level, regardless of what your character level is, correct?

For example, I hear it is impossible for meph to drop stuff like ik/tal armor, tyrael's might, stormshield, etc.

Now, what is a good cLvL to have a decent (relatively) chance at *everything* possible for mephisto to drop. Are there some things you simply cannot get unless your character is at a certain level?

For example, my 87 sorc has gotten about 5 occys, 3 gazes, 2 eldriches, 4 skullders. She has never seen, however, an ormus robe, maras, shako, spidersilk. Now, are those items just so much more rare(that I can get all of the stuff above without seeing ONE shako), or is it that at my current level, the drops that I seem to keep repeating (see: my 5 freaking occys), are the highest I can get without leveling up??????

So basically, are those items listed just insanely more rare, where I can (and have) done hundreds of runs to get bulk amounts of gazes/occys, and still not see those other items?? Or are they not possible to get at my level and that's why I'm not seeing them???

Please explain. If it helps, my mf is around 350-400.
 

ventilator

Diabloii.Net Member
Please explain, since when does clevel matter for drops? It doesn't. Bad luck you had, that's all, unless of course you were mfing NM Meph who can indeed drop Skullder's, Occy, Gaze but no Harle, Storm, Mara's or Ormus'. With 400MF one in ~600 runs on Hell Meph should yield you a Harle, if that cheers you up.
 

Dalron

Diabloii.Net Member
Hell meph dropped me a Harle when I was level 79 (I think) and misc occuluses etc. Since I leveled to 85 he's decided to drop absolutely nothing (or I'm getting pickier!)

It's all just luck and MF.
 

m0nk

Diabloii.Net Member
Your clvl doesn't matter. However, his mlvl does. That's what dictates his drops or any monsters for that matter.
 

tl998

Banned
Does that mean in theory bremm can drop better stuff then Meph can? Right now I'm hoping to find stuff like IK armor, windforce, MAvina's helm, Griffon's eye. Do I have to kill baal for those?
 

m0nk

Diabloii.Net Member
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The Pit has probably the best probability to drop those things. Or any other mlvl85 area.

Mephisto is mlvl87 and the council is **+. So yes you could find better items from the council.

If you can kill them easy enough go for it, but I recommend The Pit.
 

Shade

Diabloii.Net Member
m0nk said:
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The Pit has probably the best probability to drop those things. Or any other mlvl85 area.

Mephisto is mlvl87 and the council is **+. So yes you could find better items from the council.
The council are all mlvl 86, Meph is mlvl 87, and they all drop up to TC 78 (and no higher).

On the other hand, Blood Lord/Undead Stygian Doll boss packs in Durance 3 are mlvl 86 and can drop up to TC 87.
 

m0nk

Diabloii.Net Member
Shade said:
The council are all mlvl 86, Meph is mlvl 87, and they all drop up to TC 78 (and no higher).

On the other hand, Blood Lord/Undead Stygian Doll boss packs in Durance 3 are mlvl 86 and can drop up to TC 87.

What is the formula for figuring TC from mlvl? I would like to know this.
 

Shade

Diabloii.Net Member
There isn't a formula as such, but in this case it's easy, since the Council Members have their own TC (Council(H)) as does Meph (Mephisto(H)). These can't be upgraded by the standard means.

For general monsters though (eg. the random packs in Durance 2 & 3) it works like this. In the TreasureClassEx.txt file (in the MPQs) there are two columns of importance, Group and Level.

The 'default' TC for monsters is used to decide what Group is considered. The game then selects the highest Level TC that is not higher than the monster's level.
 

m0nk

Diabloii.Net Member
Gotcha, thanks. One question though, how does an mlvl85 area like the Pit drop from the TC87 item class?
 

Shade

Diabloii.Net Member
TC 87 is a sub-class of the treasure classes Act 5 Equip B(H) and Act 5 Equip C(H), which have levels 83 and 85 assigned to them respectively. Any normal monster's TC will eventually be resolved down into the Equip section, so they get the chance to drop from TC87 at level 83 and above.
 
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