Some Blade Fury Questions

[Xdeathfire]

Some Blade Fury Questions

I have tried search before, but I cant find much material on this skill and I wanna make a furysin or whatever you would call it. So heres my questions:

1. Does Blade Fury's 3/4 weapon damage factor after everything applies? ie +stats and elemental damage would work on it right?

2. Would might aura increase Blade Fury's damage?

3. What type of damage is Blade Fury b/c the Furysin guide says nothing is immune to it

4. What is the ideal one hand weapon for Blade Fury apart from the higher end runewords (I'm SP mostly). Most of the elite uniques I can get fine cept maybe TC87s

 

[zarirazz]

hmm..lemme try answer some.
1. the 3/4 penalty only applies to your weapon physical dmg only. if your weapon is, for example a baranar's star, only the physical aspect will be penalised. you will still deal the same elemental damage.

2. yes. so does off weapon ed.

3. the skill deals physical damage, together with the 3/4 physical damage from the weapon. but most of the damage dealt would probably come from elemental sources, poison (venom), open wounds, crushing blow etc, hence most likely nothing's immune to it=)

4. crescent moon runeword is relatively affordable (need at most um, and it ctc static!).
other than that, baranar's star (AR bonus, elemental dmg), stormlash (super rare, but great mods with ctc static), strength/black runeword (amn,tir/thul,io,nef; has lots of crushin' blow), gimmershred, fleshrender, fleshripper etc etc..

basically look out for weapons with high cb/elemental dmg. those weapons that can cast static are a bonus=)

EDIT: ethereal weapons are strongly recommended as well. xtra physical damage but will not lose their durability=)

 

[stephan]

I have tried search before, but I cant find much material on this skill and I wanna make a furysin or whatever you would call it. So heres my questions:

1. Does Blade Fury's 3/4 weapon damage factor after everything applies? ie +stats and elemental damage would work on it right?

All forms of damage are cut down to 3/4's of their initial amount.

2. Would might aura increase Blade Fury's damage?

For the physical part yes.

3. What type of damage is Blade Fury b/c the Furysin guide says nothing is immune to it

The damage from the skill is just physical, and physical immunes will be immune to it.

4. What is the ideal one hand weapon for Blade Fury apart from the higher end runewords (I'm SP mostly). Most of the elite uniques I can get fine cept maybe TC87s

Many of the exceptional and elite unique 1h maces make very good BF weapons. Gimmershred and Fleshripper are two other options.

 

[zarirazz]

All forms of damage are cut down to 3/4's of their initial amount.

oh man..i didn't know this
sorry if i misinformed u OP..=P

 

[midevillw]

the fury sin guide saying that nothing is imune refers to its use of deathsentry

 

[SSoG]

4. What is the ideal one hand weapon for Blade Fury apart from the higher end runewords (I'm SP mostly).

That depends a lot on what you're going for. If you're trying to deal as much damage as is humanly possible, you'll want to focus on mods like Crushing Blow and Chance-to-Cast skills, since these don't have their damage reduced by BFury's damage penalty (although Crushing Blow *does* suffer the standard ranged penalty). Also, remember that CtC on attack doesn't work with BFury, but CtC on striking does. If you're using Blade Fury as more of a disabler (which is my favorite method), then you'll want to focus on weapons more like Fleshripper (Slows target, CB, -% Enemy Defense, Open Wounds) or Silence (100% chance to blind all enemies in the game that are susceptible to blind). Generally, I believe that Fleshripper is considered the all-around best Blade Fury weapon in the game, due to its insanely low requirements, great damage, and plethora of stellar BFury mods. If you can get an Ethereal version of it, so much the better.

If you're in the market for some cheaper options, I'd highly recommend Coldsteel Eye, which also features some Slows Target and Blinds Target, although lacks the rest of Fleshripper's mods. If you aren't married to the idea of a 1-handed weapon, my favorite BFury weapons are The Minotaur and Woestave for style points. Both have MASSIVE disabling abilities (Woestave alone has 50% OW, 50% slow, +3 Blind, Freezes Target, and -50 defense per hit, while the Minotaur combines 50% slow and +2 blind with a very respectable 30% Crushing Blow and a much higher physical damage total). Pair any of these up with Cleglaw's Gloves (knockback and 25% slows target) and no enemy will even be able to reach you. Just remember that 2-handers suffer an additional damage penalty with BFury (they deal 3/8ths of their listed damage instead of 3/4ths, although I believe the display is bugged and won't reflect this). Still, for those two 2-handers, I believe the additional penalty is worth it.

 

[Evah]

I'd say that nothing beats the Shadowkiller combined with Cleglaw's gloves and some CB-equipment. It has HFT+2 and 33%ctc Frost Nova and can be suppurted with Claw Mastery skill. It's a pity this claw has pretty high level req.

 

[yiuman]

Just remember that 2-handers suffer an additional damage penalty with BFury (they deal 3/8ths of their listed damage instead of 3/4ths, although I believe the display is bugged and won't reflect this). Still, for those two 2-handers, I believe the additional penalty is worth it.

Is this confirmed? Sorry to ask, but I've just read so many different things saying its 3/8ths no, its 3/4 no its 3/8ths no its 3/4ths and so on.

Also, does str increase the dmg of bfury? I'm thinking of a titan build using a 1.07 Helslayer.....

 

[Evah]

yes. strength does increase BF damage as BF is a skill based on weapon dmg.

 

[Jaquiezz]

Never
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Never use BF to dish out raw physical damage. It uses weapon damage and has no ed modifier, therefore, it sucks. BF is for delivering effects, such as Venom, CB or OW. This is why Flesh Ripper is just a sweet package, the damage sucks, but who cares, its mods are unbeatable. I highly recommend getting cleglaw gloves, fleshripper and Duress. Thats practically all you need to beat most every thing in the game with BF.

 

[stephan]

The idea of yiuman was to use to use strength for the ED just like bowas use dex. This certainly works.

 

[SSoG]

Is this confirmed? Sorry to ask, but I've just read so many different things saying its 3/8ths no, its 3/4 no its 3/8ths no its 3/4ths and so on.

It was tested and confirmed in 1.10. I don't know of anyone who has retested in 1.11, so I can't say for absolute certain.

Never
Never
Never
Never
Never use BF to dish out raw physical damage. It uses weapon damage and has no ed modifier, therefore, it sucks. BF is for delivering effects, such as Venom, CB or OW. This is why Flesh Ripper is just a sweet package, the damage sucks, but who cares, its mods are unbeatable. I highly recommend getting cleglaw gloves, fleshripper and Duress. Thats practically all you need to beat most every thing in the game with BF.

Never
Never
Never
Never
Never say never. :wink3:

I know someone who deals over 3500 average damage per Blade with BFury. 3500 damage @ 6 fpa comes out to almost 15,000 damage per second. That numbers hardly "sucks", now does it? The gear setup wasn't even anything too outlandish- ethereal Reapers Toll, Highlord's, Gore Riders, Fortitude, Might Merc.

 

[Jaquiezz]

They went glass cannon for 3500 bf damage... doesn't seem like a smart move really when bowas get much faster attack speeds, with more reasonable gear, and do more damage. So yes by sacrificing practically everything you can get mediocre physical damage. Not worth it at all, BF is for applying affects. If you want a ranged attacker with nice phys damage, make a bowa.

 

[SSoG]

They went glass cannon for 3500 bf damage... doesn't seem like a smart move really when bowas get much faster attack speeds, with more reasonable gear, and do more damage. So yes by sacrificing practically everything you can get mediocre physical damage. Not worth it at all, BF is for applying affects. If you want a ranged attacker with nice phys damage, make a bowa.

A Strafer might deal more damage than a Blade Fury Assassin... but a Strafer can't touch the killspeed of a Blade Fury/Death Sentry Assassin... and bowies have resistance problems (while Assassins have Fade) and Valk/Decoy/Freezing Arrow can't match the crowd control of CoS/Mind Blast/Psychic Hammer/Shadow.

I'm not disagreeing that Blade Fury is best for delivering effects, I'm just saying "never say never". Even more, never say never 5 times, especially when dismissing a perfectly hell-viable build.

 

[stephan]

For what it's worth, I have a level 79 BF sin waiting to do Hell Anya quest (soloed her way up there) sitting on 68 skill points (didn't even complete all the skill quests) and 267 stat points (and doesn't have any in vita). Granted, her gear is quite nice.

You'd really have to try to make a BF sin not work. :smiley:

 

[deathzsoul]

It was tested and confirmed in 1.10. I don't know of anyone who has retested in 1.11, so I can't say for absolute certain.


I know someone who deals over 3500 average damage per Blade with BFury. 3500 damage @ 6 fpa comes out to almost 15,000 damage per second. That numbers hardly "sucks", now does it? The gear setup wasn't even anything too outlandish- ethereal Reapers Toll, Highlord's, Gore Riders, Fortitude, Might Merc.

no joke, my undergeared fire sorc deals 50K+ damage per second + splash dmg

 

[stephan]

Booooo, try to kill a Fallen with that. Not impressive at all. :tongue:

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[SSoG]

no joke, my undergeared fire sorc deals 50K+ damage per second + splash dmg

I've seen Chargers that can deal 125,000 damage per second, or Amazons that could deal almost a million total damage with a single throw of Poison Javelin... doesn't mean I want to run out and build a Charger or a Poison Javelin Amazon. Obviously some builds aren't going to kill as well as others- it only matters that the build deals HELL-VIABLE damage, and this build does. I mean, if you get right down to it, nothing kills like a Hammerdin, so why don't we all just stop making anything except for Hammerdins?

Besides, do your fireballs carry knockback? Do they carry crushing blow, open wounds, and slows target? Do fireballs leech more mana than they cost? Can your Fireball sorceress cast Mind Blast, Cloak of Shadows, Fade, or Shadow Warrior/Master? Does your Fire Sorceress have a Death Sentry? Fire spells have some advantages over Blade Fury, but it's not like Blade Fury has no advantages over Fireballs, too.

 

[Jaquiezz]

I've seen Chargers that can deal 125,000 damage per second, or Amazons that could deal almost a million total damage with a single throw of Poison Javelin... doesn't mean I want to run out and build a Charger or a Poison Javelin Amazon. Obviously some builds aren't going to kill as well as others- it only matters that the build deals HELL-VIABLE damage, and this build does. I mean, if you get right down to it, nothing kills like a Hammerdin, so why don't we all just stop making anything except for Hammerdins?

Besides, do your fireballs carry knockback? Do they carry crushing blow, open wounds, and slows target? Do fireballs leech more mana than they cost? Can your Fireball sorceress cast Mind Blast, Cloak of Shadows, Fade, or Shadow Warrior/Master? Does your Fire Sorceress have a Death Sentry? Fire spells have some advantages over Blade Fury, but it's not like Blade Fury has no advantages over Fireballs, too.

Goodness gracious, they're great balls of fire...

 

[smeer]

ist chaos a good weapon for BF? It has magic damage, OW, and 9% Chance To Cast Level 11 Frozen Orb On Striking and 11% Chance To Cast Level 9 Charged Bolt On Striking
I mean its not the best, but certainly viable