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Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Silvermyst, Feb 21, 2004.
So, who likes shooting dogs?
Truely disgusting, no matter how much of it is true.
It was done in a really stupid way, but some of the reactions are even more stupid.
Aftonbladet, the largest swedish daily, is trying to make something out of the fact that swedish UN-soldiers have shot 5000 strays in the last four years. What they forget is that the dogs are pretty much feral. Packs of wild dogs, some of them diseased, roam residential areas, and thatÂ´s not good. The locals have asked the soldiers to help them out with their dog problem and the soldiers have. ThatÂ´s a good thing.
I wouldnÂ´t want to have what is practically rabid wolfpacks running around my neighbourhood. Of course... wolves would be better than dogs in a way since wolves are shy and generally try to stay out of mans way if possible.
EDIT: The norwegians who made the film should of course be disciplined in some way.
Sick, yes, but it always annoys me when people "demand explanations" from those in authority. It's not like this was an official action, it's just some sick bastards who happen to be soldiers shooting a dog. It's like anyone but themselves is accountable for it. That said, I'd like to see them brought up on cruelty to animal charges.
Actually, I suspect the soldiers were ordered to shoot strays. I know swedish soldiers had a standing order to shoot all strays they came across and IÂ´d be surprised if the norwegians didnÂ´t have a similar order.
Both the locals and UN-personell asked the military to do something about the problem. Swedish soldiers were ordered to deal with this problem whenever they came across it and had the time.
Again, it could have been done in a better way, but this is really getting blown out of proportion.
Well there's a case of the media leaving out some pretty important information. That puts a different spin on things.
But all things aside, if that video exists in the way that article claims it's been made, whoever made it is just sick.
"Another episode shows a dog on a leash outside a house being shot."
Somehow i don't think they were shooting a stray there.
They could have put the dog on a leash to get a good shot at it. If they came across a dog they felt they needed to put down and werenÂ´t equipped to do it from a long range, maybe they put it on a leash to be able to get a good shot at it with a pistol. I donÂ´t really know, but the dog being on a leash doesnÂ´t mean that it was a pet. I donÂ´t think they would go around joy-killing pets and get possibly get reported for it when there are thousands of strays running around.
I think that making a video of dogs getting shot is pretty sick... Hellfire sick even. I havenÂ´t seen the video and I donÂ´t intend to, but I think that the larger context should be remembered and that one should not draw to many conclusions about this without seing the video.
The media here are trying to make a big deal out of the fact that soldiers put down dogs who are a danger to the public. IÂ´m hoping it wonÂ´t fly, but I fear it will. ItÂ´s absolute BS and a beautiful illustration of why one shouldnÂ´t put to much stock into what the media says.
I think that if the soldiers in the video have acted inaproprietly they should be punished, but the issue is not the shooting of dogs, the issue is in what way it is done.
Do you have any references, or are you just guessing (hoping)?
I have references but most people here donÂ´t read swedish. ThatÂ´s why I havenÂ´t posted any links so far.
"- Vi fick order att skjuta hundar som kunde tÃ¤nkas sprida sjukdomar. Men mÃ¥nga blev skjutna fÃ¶r att det var kul, sÃ¤ger en fÃ¶re detta officer."
We were ordered to shoot dogs that were possible carriers of disease. But a lot were shot for fun, says an ex officer.
"En soldat som sjÃ¤lv skjutit 38 hundar sÃ¤ger:
- Lokalbefolkningen kom och frÃ¥gade oss om vi kunde hjÃ¤lpa dem med hundarna. Vi gjorde det i mÃ¥n av tid. Hundarna var ett stort problem, de attackerade mÃ¤nniskor och spred sjukdomar.
- Vid ett tillfÃ¤lle skÃ¶ts en hund som hade Ã¤gare av misstag. Det gjordes en utredning och Ã¤garen ersattes.
Henrik Berger, pressinformatÃ¶r pÃ¥ den svenska utlandsstyrkan, bekrÃ¤ftar att soldaterna fÃ¥tt i uppdrag att skjuta hundar."
A soldier who personally shot 38 dogs says:
- The locals approached us and asked if we could help them deal with the dogs. We did it when we had the time. The dogs were a big problem, they attacked people and spread disease.
- At one time a tame dog was shot by mistake. An inquiry was made and the owner was compensated.
Henrik Berger, pressinformer of the swedish force, confirms that the soldiers had been ordered to shoot dogs.
"- I Kosovo har bÃ¥de lokalbefolkningen och FN-personal bett oss skjuta hundar. De utgÃ¶r ett hot mot befolkningen och sprider sjukdomar, sÃ¤ger han."
In Kosovo both the local population and UN-personell have asked us to shoot dogs. They are a threat to the populace and spread disease, he says.
Your translated quotes in your later post help clear things up a bit, but this statement is kind of silly: If you can get up close and actually put a leash around the animal's neck then you're certainly able to put a bullet in it.
Thanks Dross for the translation... that was quite helpful. I clicked your link and the first thing that came to me was "my eyes!! my god, my eyes!"
Kidding aside though, I'd definitely think that there should be more investigation of this, because if there were "pleasure" or thrill-killing involved where an animal suffered for the amusement of anyone, then I think that they need to have their own liver served to themself on a platter.