So which one to run for sojs?

double d

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So which one to run for sojs?

Normal baal or nightmare andy? Heard those two are best, so i was thinking, i can use some extra sojs ;) might wanna start running them :p



Double D
 

toader

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I would do andy.

I do hell andy ALOT...trust me, she drops ALOT of jewlery. Be prepared for a ton of manald rings.
 

Usufruct

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Baal has a significantly lower chance to drop unique rings. Additionally, normal Baal is level 60, whereas nightmare Andarial is level 49. Therefore Normal Baal can drop both dwarf star and raven frost rings, while Nightmare Andarial cannot.

So from unique ring drops from NM Andarial, you have a 1/31 chance of the ring being a Stone of Jordan. From Normal Baal, you have a 1/51 chance, and he drops unique rings much less often. Still you may do thousands of runs before you actually find a Stone of Jordan from NM Andarial.
 

Lord Chaos

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To get 100 SoJs...you would need to (assuming 500 runes average per SoJ and 3 minutes per run) play for 2 years every day 4 hours a day.
 

Usufruct

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Interesting. But you still have a pretty low chance of finding a Stone of Jordan in 500 runs. Let me try and find a post I made about that.

Usufruct said:
Technically NM Andarial has the highest chance of dropping a Stone of Jordan. Andarial in nightmare has about a 1.35% chance of actually dropping a unique ring, and as the guy mentioned in the other thread, she can only drop three of them, so out of all unique ring drops you have a 1 in 31 chance of actually finding a Stone of Jordan. However on the flip side, that also means you have 30 in 31 chance to find a unique ring that isn't a Stone of Jordan.

If that still sounds hopeful, I want to crush your dreams of finding a Stone of Jordan from nightmare Andarial even more. Let's say you kill nightmare andarial 250 times. You will statistically find 3.377 rings, or realistically 3, maybe four (maybe five or maybe 2, but we're calculating here). So lets say you got a little lucky and found four unique rings in your 250 nightmare Andarial runs. Hooray! Out of those four rings, you have approximately a 12.904% chance that one will be a Stone of Jordan. What? 250 Andarial runs and only a 12.904% practical chance to find a Stone of Jordan.

Do 1000 NM Andarial runs? You'll find 13 or 14 unique rings probably, since every run you have about a 1.35% chance of dropping one. Yay 14 unique rings! Whoops, even if you could do Andarial runs invariably in one minute, with no bathroom breaks, you just spent sixteen hours and forty minutes killing a monster and you STILL only have about a 45% chance of actually finding a Stone of Jordan. But don't get me wrong, you could do one nightmare Andarial run and find a Stone of Jordan right off the bat. But you have a 0.043575621935483870967741935483871% chance of it.

Note: Some calculations may be incorrect as I did this on the fly.
These calculations don't take into account magic find, which would increase the chance that a ring would be unique, thus increasing your chances of finding a stone of jordan.
 

toader

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Actually it might come sooner than expected. You just have to have patience, and realize thats all your looking for. This is where most people fail. Thats why I run hell andy, because she can drop most of the other goodies while Im looking for unique rings.

I do hell andy alot...average about 1 to 1.5 minutes doing her (blizzard sorc, 425 MF). Most of the time is spent finding her, it only takes my sorc about 3 seconds to kill andy in hell.

Anyways...my point was, I find a unique ring about every 15-20 runs. Like I said...they are like 75% manalds, but still, they are unique rings.
 

Zenkat

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Since andariels bug lets her drop set/unique/rare items with no mf at all, does mf even play a part in finding unique rings? or is it totally up to andy to drop them?

I really have no idea how it would work while she's bugged.
 

toader

Banned
Zenkat said:
Since andariels bug lets her drop set/unique/rare items with no mf at all, does mf even play a part in finding unique rings? or is it totally up to andy to drop them?

I really have no idea how it would work while she's bugged.

Are you referring to the "talk to Kashya" bug or something like that? I heard rumors of something like that before. I did a little testing with it and didnt notice it making a difference. So if thats the bug your refering too, I think it was just a rumor. If your referring to another bug...which one?
 

Usufruct

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Zenkat said:
Since andariels bug lets her drop set/unique/rare items with no mf at all, does mf even play a part in finding unique rings? or is it totally up to andy to drop them?

I really have no idea how it would work while she's bugged.
I am using her bugged statistics.

Yes, MF does play a part in finding unique rings. Item drops are randomly determined at the time of monster death, and those types are then checked against magic find. So once the game has determined that Andarial will be dropping a ring, it allows magic find to increase the chances of first finding a unique ring, a set ring, a rare ring, and if none of those are picked, it becomes magical. "Bugged Andarial" is just an increased drop rate. You can find set/unique/rare rings from any monster with no mf at all.

Edit: And I don't know if there really is an Andarial bug anyway. Probably a rumor (like toader says)
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Zenkat

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To clear things up, it IS a bug and its been proven over and over.

There is a very long thread in the bugs area that i did testing in.

To bug her permanently like so many people have and dont even know it, you kill her for her quest, and talk to an npc in that same game. Thats all it takes, from then on she will ALWAYS drop rare/set/unique or failed set/unique items. No gold, scrolls, potions ever. (for that character and difficulty anyway). This will essentially make it so she cannot EVER drop a magic ring, so what im asking is, does mf even play a part if she cannot ever drop a magic ring?

My personal opinion? I dont think mf will make a ring, when set to drop "set" or "rare" by her, into a unique one. So the best idea for Andariel is to run her with as much speed and killing as possible while she's bugged, to get those unique rings faster than an "mf gear" character could.

Seems ive probably answered my own original question. I believe that whole soj finding guide is flawed if you never take into account Andariel always dropping from her specialty drop class.
 

Usufruct

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Zenkat said:
does mf even play a part if she cannot ever drop a magic ring?
Magic find increases drop chances of first Unique, then set, and then rare. If in fact andarial could not drop magic rings at all (which I find highly doubtful), the "base item type would be rare, and magic find would then only increase her chances of dropping unique and then set rings.
 

Zenkat

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Easiest way to tell? since mf is apparently not a factor with her drops whatsoever.

Have someone do 100 runs with about 400+ mf, and 100 runs with none, on a bugged andariel. Count the # of set/rare/unique rings in each, see if there is any difference at all. Least i hope 100 runs would be enough to show some useful info on this subject...

Perhaps i should take 4 hours to test this myself so i have evidence of what ive been babbling about. >.<
 
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