So where's my college fund?

[s4nder]

Re: So where's my college fund?

Another yay for free education. I don't understand how some of you think holding a full time job and simultaneously studying in a university full time is the "right" way to do it. Achievements in both areas will heavily suffer. Sooner or later you either drop out of the uni or lose your job, not to mention the huge stress factor. I know about five people who have dropped out because they wanted to work for 40 hours a week. Then again, working oneself to death seems to be the American Dream.

 

[stillman]

Re: So where's my college fund?

Garbad, I get the point that you lack some human compassion and you like to show it. As I already mentioned, I don't have a 'daddy'. You are just finding weaknesses that I have and stepping all over me to belittle me. Yeah Garbad, I'm a loser or w/e. Happy now? What kind of person finds out that you lost a parent and then uses that against you to point out what a pansy you are.

I do have weaknesses. I did make some regretable choices. There's no need for people to come in and rub it in; it's already been pointed out excessively.

No, I don't expect everything for free. That is a rash asumption in your guys' attempt to make fun of me. Go and bully someone else. I simply want for the older generation to recognize that times are different. You can save your children great strife and despair by making some investment to help them out.

One of the weaknesses I had when choosing my major was those still alive in my family said they would help out with costs, and they ended up not helping, so I was mislead. Now I am sort of stuck in limbo, paying down loans and trying to build up wealth to further my education. I thought the money would be there to upgrade my degree, but alas, it wasn't. Now I know you guys love bashing the hell out of people when they are already down, but I think I've had enough of your scolding.

Finally, Krishtan (sp-don't have time to look up your name atm), some people are very driven to become what they feel they are destined to become. I know I will never be happy and my true self until I become such-n-such (which I'm not going to mentione here). Does that explain things a bit better? For me, it's not a matter of looking at the market or anything to see what is needed, then filling that gap. I am never going to give up on my dream, and I'm saying it is tragic that it has to wait until I am much older to afford it.

I am not going to call any of you names. How would you all like it if I tacked on "that's life, suck it up" or "quit your whinning" on all of your concerns and problems? You like to flaunt your toughness and cruelty, so make a thread about yourselves and leave me alone. We should be here to tell stories and discuss the problems our generations face.

^S4nder, thanks for bring that up. I'd like to add that not only does working and studying at the same time cause those problems you mentioned, but your grades are garaunteed to go down. Working means less time to work on your studies, and you are up agaisnt people who are fortunate enough to spend all their time studying. I'm not agaisnt working as some of you claim; I'm just saying realistically, working in university is not going to land you the best marks you can get. And needless to say, marks count a lot these days.

 

[KremBanan]

Re: So where's my college fund?

We should be here to tell stories and discuss the problems our generations face.

You havent been here in the OT forum alot now have you?

 

[stillman]

Re: So where's my college fund?

Krem, I remember you from the Amazon forum and no matter what I posted, you were always there just to rip it appart. I would give advice, and you would just come along and basically call me an idiot. I think you could save yourself some time by adding me to your ignore list and changing "This Is My Windforce, This is My Bow..." to "Stillman Is An Idiot, Dissregard Everything He Has To Say."

Not like you care or anything, but I have spent some time on the OT forum and there are some really nice people here.

I don't know what you problem is with me, but AFAIK, we're not really supposed to hijack threads; we should stay on course and not turn it into a troll war vs stillman like some people have done.

I know some of you are just pushing my buttons for a good laugh, but some people have relavent issues to discuss in this thread.

Edit: Some of the suggestions like selling your textbooks and scholarships just don't cut it. Those are not good enough solutions. Scholarships are not handed to the many people who need them. Selling your texbooks only saves you a bit. You still need the vast fortune to get through.

 

[jmervyn]

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Looks like I've lost the title of "resident OTF martyr"... :cry:

stillman, what exactly would you have the older generation do? Pony up the cash so that you can do what <you> like?

That attitude is just as criminal as the selfish gobshiites who are condemning future generations to debt repayment via taxation.

EDIT - furthermore, if you're planning on being unhappy until you reach whatever goal it is you have (2 chicks at the same time?), well then, sucks to be you. Happiness isn't a goal.

 

[SaroDarksbane]

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I did make some regretable choices. There's no need for people to come in and rub it in; it's already been pointed out excessively.

If you know you're the one responsible, stop emo-raging at other people.

I simply want for the older generation to recognize that times are different.

Not that different.

You can save your children great strife and despair by making some investment to help them out.

Come to think of it, my parents didn't buy me a house, car, or a mail-order bride either. I had to buy all of those things myself.

Erm, you know, minus the mail order bride . . .

One of the weaknesses I had when choosing my major was those still alive in my family said they would help out with costs, and they ended up not helping, so I was mislead.

Then be pissed at them for being liars; not because they didn't hand you a check you were "entitled" to.

We should be here to tell stories and discuss the problems our generations face.

The biggest problem our generation faces is that we're, on the whole, a bunch of stuck-up, spoiled, arrogant ***holes who want everything NAO, because DAMNIT, WE'RE JUST THAT IMPORTANT!

News Flash: We're not.

I'm not going to pay for my kid's education. I'm not going to buy them cars. I'm not going to put a down payment on their house. I'm going to teach them that if they want something, they are going to have to work for it themselves.

EDIT:

You know what my dad did for me, college-wise? He let me live in his house, and I'm pretty ****ing grateful for that.

 

[KremBanan]

Re: So where's my college fund?

Krem, I remember you from the Amazon forum and no matter what I posted, you were always there just to rip it appart. I would give advice, and you would just come along and basically call me an idiot. I think you could save yourself some time by adding me to your ignore list and changing "This Is My Windforce, This is My Bow..." to "Stillman Is An Idiot, Dissregard Everything He Has To Say."

Not like you care or anything, but I have spent some time on the OT forum and there are some really nice people here.

I don't know what you problem is with me, but AFAIK, we're not really supposed to hijack threads; we should stay on course and not turn it into a troll war vs stillman like some people have done.

First off, I dont think you are an idiot(a crying and whining emo maybe, but not a direct idiot) I found 2 threads where I disagreed with you. You made good arguments for one thing, and I belive I made good arguments against them. Thats called a discussion, and frankly..if you cant handle people disagreeing with you, I would suggest drop out of the school completely and just move to Iceland and become a fisherman. Not many people to hassle(read: not agreeing with you all the time) you there.


Yea...stalking your posts and rip them apart in the mission in my life...

 

[Garbad_the_Weak]

Re: So where's my college fund?

What kind of person finds out that you lost a parent and then uses that against you to point out what a pansy you are.

It is you who is attempting to use his father's death as a tool to get what you want, not me. I am the cruel real world -- I do not care if you lost your father, and neither will your employer or loan officer. It entitles you to nothing.

I am mocking your sense of entitlement combined with your blaming others for your failures. Because lets be real here -- if you are 29 and unable to get a job, its pretty unlikely one more degree will change that. More likely, your bloated sense of entitlement makes you think you are too good to work the jobs you may qualify for, and you don't have the drive to sacrifice to get what you want like most others. Literally thousands of people every year graduate without daddy paying for it, many of which will have a lot more barriers than you do.

The world doesn't owe you a living, and neither did your father. Welcome to reality. Now man up and get to work.

 

[AeroJonesy]

Re: So where's my college fund?

This is for people who are fed up with this old fashion notion that you can work at a restaurant and pay tuition with your tip money. What nonsense. These are not the old days. We are being gouged.

This is how the thread should have started because this is the area to fight about. College is nowhere near cheap. It's ridiculously expensive, actually. Colleges spent way too much money on non-essentials like fancy dorms and fancy rec centers in an effort to attract the most qualified students, and now new students have to pay for it.

 

[Garbad_the_Weak]

Re: So where's my college fund?

This is how the thread should have started because this is the area to fight about. College is nowhere near cheap. It's ridiculously expensive, actually. Colleges spent way too much money on non-essentials like fancy dorms and fancy rec centers in an effort to attract the most qualified students, and now new students have to pay for it.

More importantly, college became rite of passage for the middle class. Why should I use my tax dollars to fund someone's extended childhood? When colleges actually focus on training and placement I will care that it costs too much.

 

[Corneo]

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This is how the thread should have started because this is the area to fight about. College is nowhere near cheap. It's ridiculously expensive, actually. Colleges spent way too much money on non-essentials like fancy dorms and fancy rec centers in an effort to attract the most qualified students, and now new students have to pay for it.

Absolutely! The year I started my freshmen year, they raised my fees by almost $500 to fund a new rec center. The graduating class that year basically voted in many new "improvements" and the entering class was stuck footing the bill. None the less, I am going back to school anyways in a few months.

 

[AeroJonesy]

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I watched tuition and fees steadily rise at my university too. Fortunately base tuition was pretty low for in-state, and it was even lower with a few scholarships, but it' really sucks the way tuition ramps up. I'd love to see more colleges offer to lock in rates as part of their aid package. Predictability is always a good thing.

 

[NASE]

Re: So where's my college fund?

I thought the money would be there to upgrade my degree, but alas, it wasn't.

Right, a little poll. Who thinks this is normal?

I don't.

normal: 0
abnormal: 1



a degree shouldn't be money based - certainly not a simple master.

 

[BobCox2]

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It's normal in the statement above, and not a bad thing to complain about given the promises that apparently were made to him and not kept by Family.

His 1st post here was normal as well, just a sad example of the mistaken sense of entitlement too many people seem to have and not focused on his legitimate complaints.

 

[stillman]

Re: So where's my college fund?

More rash assumptions I see. Cars? Houses? This is all about education, not asking to have our way paved for life. To clarify again, what I am suggesting is that parents should at least help out with some of the cost. What they should not do is assume a job will cover everything and use that lie as an excuse to not invest.

Sure, I am angry in my OP. That's sort of the point. Some of you sure do hound on people who exhibit emotions. It sounds like some of you are angry as well over my views. So my anger is bad, and your anger is all OK? I don't get it. I don't know what "emo" means. I'm sure it's just more insults.

One thing that really concerns me is this "Every man for himself" attitude, especially toward one's own future offspring. Or, "dog eat dog" or w/e. Do they stop being your flesh and blood the second they are 18 years old? Lack of empathy...is this really something you want to flaunt (Garbad)? I don't know if you're just pretending to be bad or if you actually have some permanent problems.

Again, I am not opposed to working. I already pointed out that I work. Really, I don't see what is so laughable about recognizing that tuition costs aren't what they used to be, more family planning is needed, and families need to take college funds more seriously these days. And yes, it is Ok to be mad about the state of affairs.

 

[jmervyn]

Re: So where's my college fund?

It's ridiculously expensive, actually. Colleges spent way too much money on non-essentials like fancy dorms and fancy rec centers in an effort to attract the most qualified students, and now new students have to pay for it.

Concur. There's at least two decent threads' worth meat in the topic: Collegiate endowments (with their abuse of tax-free status), and st00pid stuff that raises tuition.

My alma mater raised tuition steadily, particularly on out-of-state students (many of which were Arabs). Apparently this was part of their effort to be recognized as the "Harvard of the West", along with the purchase for the later-to-be-humiliated President of a $7000 couch (he'd already blown several $K on desk and rug) - all while the library hours were being cut to save money.

But instead, the OT was a whiny piece on how mean parents are. Sorry, no sale.

This is all about education, not asking to have our way paved for life.

Yet you are demanding that your parents pony up cash for your <post> baccalaureate education. Sounds like a lot of asphalt to me.

I don't know what "emo" means. I'm sure it's just more insults.

Well, yes, it is. An 'emo' often refers to the young pansies who whines about how life is so cruel and does things like cut themselves for attention.

One thing that really concerns me is this "Every man for himself" attitude, especially toward one's own future offspring. Or, "dog eat dog" or w/e.

That's LIFE! Get on with it!

Many parents don't have the ability to assist - and others do but won't. Demanding that yours do results in, well, the way you're now perceived. It's your own damned fault if you tried for a lucrative career path without being able to make the requisite investment; the world is filled with Doctors having to pay off extensive fees, and how can we forget the Obamas whining about just paying off their own loans?

Again, I am not opposed to working. I already pointed out that I work. Really, I don't see what is so laughable about recognizing that tuition costs aren't what they used to be, more family planning is needed, and families need to take college funds more seriously these days. And yes, it is Ok to be mad about the state of affairs.

But such was not your claim. Nor that your parent/s reneged on a promise.

EDIT - for purposes of comparison, I paid for my own Masters via G.I. Bill, and as I mentioned I had a combination of Gov't stipend, work, and parent assistance (for taking care of grandparent) for my undergrad years. Many of my classmates relied entirely on work and Gov't stipend - so my promise of military service was part of the bargain despite never getting an R.O.T.C. scholarship (sometimes these seemed harder to get than admittance to a military academy).

 

[stillman]

Re: So where's my college fund?

Well, I'm glad I made this thread because it's bringing out some true colors. The coldness, heartless cruelty, lack of understanding, bullying, laughter at pain, out of control name calling, disregard for children, steping on the weak. Amazing. I didn't know this about you guys before. Is it all just venting?

You know, I admit I like to vent when making a thread. But some of the venting going on here is just inhuman. You guys find someone who is "emo" as you like to call it and you just go all out on him like it's elementry school.

 

[Johnny]

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When are you going to stop using yours father corpse as a shield against other people's opinions that you invited in the first place?

Are we going to be here in 2 years like this:

My car got a flat tire and the government wouldn't pay for a new one

I'm glad. The last thing I need is my taxes paying for other peoples luxuries

Stop making fun of the fact that my father is dead. No one understands my pain. I'm going to start wearing a beret and change my name to raven!

 

[jmervyn]

Re: So where's my college fund?

Well, I'm glad I made this thread because it's bringing out some true colors. The coldness, heartless cruelty, lack of understanding, bullying, laughter at pain, out of control name calling, disregard for children, steping on the weak. Amazing. I didn't know this about you guys before. Is it all just venting?

Yup, I've lost the title of "OTF Martyr" for sure.

Look, you, everyone <understands> your position - they just have no respect for it. Out of control name calling and disregard for children? You haven't been called a quarter of the labels I've been stuck with during my time here, and many good parents realize that if they give their kids whatever is demanded of them, they turn out... well, they turn out like you apparently did. As for stepping on the weak, there's massive disparity between a helping hand and someone tapping a vein - you apparently believe the latter is your just desserts for having been born.

You know, I admit I like to vent when making a thread. But some of the venting going on here is just inhuman. You guys find someone who is "emo" as you like to call it and you just go all out on him like it's elementry school.

It's a mark of deep disrespect. Perhaps you're more emo than you realize.

 

[Arutha]

Re: So where's my college fund?

So here I am with my Neuroscience degree which is a completely useless degree unless I upgrade it to a masters, PhD, or or use it to get into med school, none of which I can afford.

Here's the thing about grad school. Depending on what field you are in you don't have to pay, in fact you get paid. Maybe not for things like an MBA or art but in most sciences (I would think neuroscience would be one of these) you will get a stipend while you work towards your masters or phd. I am finishing up my 3rd year working towards my PhD in bioprocess engineering the only thing I have to pay is ~$300 per semester for student fees, technology fees, transcript fee's things like that. Tuition is paid for and I get a small stipend of 19k annually but it is enough to live on while I work on my degree, I am required to be a TA though which sucks but whatever a couple semester I was a research assistant which is much better than the TA imo. I do still have ~40k in student loans from when I was an undergrad but so long as I am in school they are in deferment. Which is good because my stipend wouldn't be enough for me to live on and pay those at the same time, thats what the real job is for when I am done with my degree.