So i might make a bf asn...

[fredsta54]

So i might make a bf asn...

But the guide in the sticky is very close minded and i do not agree with///cannot afford some of the items (S3 ladder)

I know what the eq goals of this assasin are, and that whats listed is probably the "best" setup, but i would rather use a diffirent weapon, especially since that guide is more suited for getting to a high lvl and killing quickly on players 8.

Right now im stuck between

Ethereal upgraded headstriker (wow... i love this weapon, especially since bf doesnt wear down dura)

Nats claw with full set (the bonuses on the claw are pretty good for bf, and, what asn should be w/o a claw? I also love full nats)

Ethereal gimmershreds (i found a perfect version of these earlier, and this is the only char i think could find a use for em, since they cant be zodded and dont repair themselves)

Another not too expensive weapon that you can suggest.

Thanks in advance













Fred

 

[TrapMaster]

bf? What type of asn is that?? Never heard of it.

 

[fredsta54]

bf? What type of asn is that?? Never heard of it.

blade fury

 

[Naliworld]

I'm leaning toward the ethereal upgraded Headstriker for main use(especially with some CtC Amp Damage on your equipment...), and the Gimmershred for PIs. Don't bother with Nat's Odium for a Blade Fury Assassin; while it's a nice set, it eats up too many equipment slots, which limits your ability to tack on CB/OW/chance to cast mods greatly.

 

[fredsta54]

I'm leaning toward the ethereal upgraded Headstriker for main use(especially with some CtC Amp Damage on your equipment...), and the Gimmershred for PIs. Don't bother with Nat's Odium for a Blade Fury Assassin; while it's a nice set, it eats up too many equipment slots, which limits your ability to tack on CB/OW/chance to cast mods greatly.

ahh, i feared that about the nats set.

Mabye a eth cresent moon wouldnt be out of reach, then again, i like the look of eth upd headstriker

Any more cheap ish weapon suggestions?










Fred

 

[Naliworld]

Well, besides what's already mentioned in Ritslev's guide:
Ethereal Fleshripper
Ethereal Baranars Star
Ethereal Nords Tenderiser

You could also consider an Upgraded Ethereal Fleshrender. If you need something really cheap, consider the runewords 'Black', 'Strength' or 'Malice'.

 

[fredsta54]

I think upd eth headstriker wins . And since it has insane ds, instead of highlords i could use... atmas scarab

Ok so so far my gear outline looks like this, feel free to change any and all of it since you know more than me :]

Upd eth headstriker socketed with... high ed jewel, eth rune, something. Jah is out of the question.

Rattlecage or duress

Goblin Toe (if ds doesnt stack over 100% that is... if it does then gore riders)

Tiamuts

Dual ravenfrosts i guess

Atmas scarab.

souldrainers

soe

on switch demonlimb




Comments and critique. Just dont change weapon and ammy cuz i am deadset on them (after playing a wws strafer, huge ds and amp damage =X4 listed physical dmg... yay)













Fred

 

[fredsta54]

No sugestions? Nali is the only one that has responded....













Fred

 

[Naliworld]

To answer your question from the other topic, no, having more than 100% DS presents no extra benefit.

As for equipment, mostly alright, but IMO...

1) Don't go out of your way just to get that 5% CB from Venom Grip, it's not worth sacrificing your glove slot for. Any pair of gloves will do; consider Bloodfists or a pair of crafted Blood gloves if you're really stumped.

2) Tiamat's Rebuke doesn't really offer much in terms of damage(block rate is really low too), especially in Hell, as so much of it gets reduced by resistances. IMO, you're better off with a conventional safety shield: Stormshield, or a socketed Moser's Blessed Circle.

3) For your second ring, a Wisp Projector is always handy for those Gloams. Otherwise, SoJ/Bul-Kathos.

 

[fredsta54]

To answer your question from the other topic, no, having more than 100% DS presents no extra benefit.

As for equipment, mostly alright, but IMO...

1) Don't go out of your way just to get that 5% CB from Venom Grip, it's not worth sacrificing your glove slot for. Any pair of gloves will do; consider Bloodfists or a pair of crafted Blood gloves if you're really stumped.

2) Tiamat's Rebuke doesn't really offer much in terms of damage(block rate is really low too), especially in Hell, as so much of it gets reduced by resistances. IMO, you're better off with a conventional safety shield: Stormshield, or a socketed Moser's Blessed Circle.

3) For your second ring, a Wisp Projector is always handy for those Gloams. Otherwise, SoJ/Bul-Kathos.

ahh, yeh, i kinda felt that tiamuts wasnt that great.

Sorry for the duplicate thread, i was asking a diffirent question, and if i had posted it here, it would have been 3X posts in a row.

The reason im interested in venomgrip is because i think overall they are good. Ctc gloves are out of the question, as are hellmouth (they both override better stuff)

Bloodfist is a good option, im not a big fan of crafting though. I was thinking mabye ghoulhide : it would take care of mana leach, it has 20 life, and the dmg to undead is pretty sweet.

I think i will just go dual ravens.

I dont think i will be using ss because the resists on it are not that great, and with fade + string my dr should be fine.

Probably 2X pdiamond mosers.

Max block or not with this assasin?

Nali, thanks for the replies.












Fred

 

[onedevildog]

I don't know what these comments really do to help you, but I figured I'd chime in with my recent experiences with the blade fury build.



I'm currently working on my new ladder furysin; she's very entertaining to play. I'm now up to level 73 and working act 2 hell. I maxed death sentry, venom, and shadow master; now putting points into fade, though may change. I'm currently using the following gear:

Fleshripper fanged knife
Duress sharktooth armor
Tiamats shield
Lore basinet
Eye of Etlich amulet
Frost Raven ring
rare dual leech ring
crafted (crappy) hit power gloves (I like the knockback)
rare (crappy) sharkskin belt
Nat's boots

This furysin isn't as powerful as I'd like for solo games (though I haven't died yet), but is a very good complimentary character for multi-player games.



I have a non-ladder (season 2) furysin that's not built very well skill point wise, but is currently level 83, and can pretty much solo hell without much trouble. I transfered all my uber gear around over the course of a few days for testing, and her gear currently is as follows:

Last Wish phase blade
Fortitude archon plate
Stormshield with UM rune
Highlords Wrath amulet
Guillames helm
Soul Drainer gloves
Verdungos belt
Gore Rider boots
Frost Raven ring
Bul-Kathos ring
Annihilus charm
a host of hand picked small charms (mostly for resists and damage mods)

This furysin was my first ever assassin build, and I made a lot of mistakes, but she's still fun to play. With all the uber gear I have a ton of CB, which really helps. Unfortunately I invested in Shadow Warrior, which hasn't worked out as well as I'd like. I also tried Beast zerk axe, Doom zerk axe, BOTD eth zerk axe, Crescent Moon ettin axe, Duress something (can't remember armor -- traded it), Chains of Honor dusk shroud, Draculs gloves, and a whole host of other odds and ends of rares/uniques. I keep Bartucs and a +3 traps claw on switch for trapping occasions.

 

[fredsta54]

since blade fury isnt effected by how fast your wepn is, i think putting last wish in a phase blade was a very bad idea. Personally i would have preffered an eth legendary mallet. You also seem to have 2X ctc items, and 1 overriding the other may be annoying.

As for your gloves, i am slightly inspired. Knockback is a very desirable mod for your assasin?

so basically, my 3 new (and probably final) questions are : Is mana leach Needed or very nice?

Max block or not? (with a high res shield, probably dual pdiamond mosers, ss isnt that good since i have lots of dr alredy)

Is knockback a huge deal?


Thanks.












Fred

 

[BatTheMan]

since blade fury isnt effected by how fast your wepn is, i think putting last wish in a phase blade was a very bad idea. Personally i would have preffered an eth legendary mallet. You also seem to have 2X ctc items, and 1 overriding the other may be annoying.

As for your gloves, i am slightly inspired. Knockback is a very desirable mod for your assasin?

so basically, my 3 new (and probably final) questions are : Is mana leach Needed or very nice?

Max block or not? (with a high res shield, probably dual pdiamond mosers, ss isnt that good since i have lots of dr alredy)

Is knockback a huge deal?

Knocback helps me alot keeps the foe away and I like the keep it that way. If you dont want to sacrifice a glove than Nef your weapon.
You need at leat some sort of mana leech even if its only like 3.
I always max block and all my characters. Max Block +50%PDR +75% resist all.
Good Shield would be Umed Gerkes or Sanctuary Hyperion PDiamond Whistan is also good option. Remember most things that could kill you are archers those things that throws javalins. Make good use of CoS with max block you want have any problem. you'll need like 130-175 dex or so with those shield and + you need the AR anyway.

It all comes down to preference if you like dying then don't go max block.

 

[onedevildog]

since blade fury isnt effected by how fast your wepn is, i think putting last wish in a phase blade was a very bad idea. Personally i would have preffered an eth legendary mallet. You also seem to have 2X ctc items, and 1 overriding the other may be annoying.

As for your gloves, i am slightly inspired. Knockback is a very desirable mod for your assasin?

so basically, my 3 new (and probably final) questions are : Is mana leach Needed or very nice?

Max block or not? (with a high res shield, probably dual pdiamond mosers, ss isnt that good since i have lots of dr alredy)

Is knockback a huge deal?


Thanks.
Fred

Last Wish in the phase blade was because that is the only one-hand sword you can do it. I built the Last Wish for other reasons, so the phase blade was my preference. Blade Fury damage output of phase vs. eth hammer is probably irrelevant (but I agree, the eth legendary mallet would be awesome - 'cept you can't put Last Wish in one), but the 60-70% crushing blow you get with Last Wish is noticeable. Last Wish, Gore Rider, Guillames, and I have almost 100% crushing blow. Compared vs. all the other top contenders (ebotd, doom, beast, grief, etc.) the Last Wish worked better.

You can see my two furysins have quite different gloves. Currently it works better for me to have knockback, as I've found knockback is very desireable with blade fury. On the other sin I needed the mana leech, so that's why the Soul Drainers and not a knockback crafted glove. I tried using Crescent Moon amulet along with Draculs, but I found Soul Drainer and Highlords Wrath was more effective.

I think you'll find you need a good source of mana leech. Once you start casting Cloak of Shadows, an occassional trap (Death Sentry), and maybe Mind Blast, plus refreshing your Shadow, you'll see the mana globe evaporate quickly. My merc has Insight, which certainly helps, but mana leech is still needed to keep up with constant casting in conjunction with spamming blade fury.

I have never bothered with max block, but that's just my personal preference. I don't think max block is necessary with this build, as you are a ranged attacker, so max block would only help you vs. ranged attackers, and cloak of shadows can usually address that. Backing up CoS is your Shadow, merc, and you can always throw a Mind Blast or two, plus a couple traps. I never seem to have a problem with ranged attackers, so I'd rather put the stat points into Vitality to get more life. Again, just my preference...

To summarize and provide my short answers to your three questions...

1) Mana leech is very important; perhaps critical

2) Max block is not necessary, your shield is better served helping you with resists, increased damage output, etc., and your stat points can be used elsewhere (vitality)

3) Knockback is not necessary, but is quite useful if you can get it


Good discussion going here... wish I'd done this myself before building my first furysin. Someone else might've pointed out things I learned the hard way

 

[fredsta54]

thanks for the help guys, i made this assasin in single player to try some things before i made on bnet and heres what i have found:

eth headstriker upped with atmas is very powerful, on /players 1 solo hell baal runs were very easy.

Mana leach is needed, knockback is not.

With shadow tanking, and cloak of shadows + mind blast for massive crowd control, knockback and max block are not needed.

With the dex req for my wepn it got me to about ~40% block, which is good enough with fbr, max resists, and high %dr.

It plays a lot like a bowazon, although much, much safer. Definately a good character for hc.

so, yes, i agree with you onedevildog.

I would still reccomend other than last wish, since id rather have ctc amp, and you can make up the cb easily from helm, boots, and armour.

As for charms, i dont think i will use 1-40 light sc's, since i have no other source of light dmg. I think ar//life charms and shadow gcs (for more venom) will be better.




Oh, and i found eth upped jah'd headstriker with atmas comparable to eth jah stormlash with highlords, in terms of killing speed. 100%+ ds + amp is really a beast, and light dmg loses its charm vs immunes and resistance monsters. 800 light dmg doesnt cut it in hell, and static only takes them to 50% of their life.













Fred

 

[Glorft]

Does this type of assasin can kill in duels?

 

[onedevildog]

Mana leach is needed... With shadow tanking, and cloak of shadows + mind blast for massive crowd control, knockback and max block are not needed.

I would still reccomend other than last wish, since id rather have ctc amp, and you can make up the cb easily from helm, boots, and armour.

Good info... Totally agree mana leech is necessary, and knockback & max block are optional.

I agree with what you're saying re: Last Wish. I never really set out to use Last Wish with this build, and I used the phase for other reasons, but in the end I found the Last Wish is incredible for the furysin with Ignore Target Defense, Might aura, and 60-70% Crushing Blow (mine has 67%). With Guillaumes, Gores, and Last Wish, I actually have 117% crushing blow (don't know what that means in the calculations, but I know it works well in game). I know you could get easily up to 70-75% using just Guillaumes, Gores, with Duress and crafted gloves, but that Last Wish really just warms my heart :worship: .

My current ladder furysin just got Guillaumes, Gores, and Highlords, and I could immediately tell the difference in killing speed/power :thumbsup: . I also switched from Fleshripper to Crescent Moon phase blade and found that to be a little more effective. She's still not as good as my non-ladder, but I'm working on upping the rest of my ladder gear to get her up to that level. Unfortunately Last Wish is just a dream at this point... :grrr:

Hey Fred, feel free to look me up in-game sometime and we can compare notes. I'm frequently online at bradvan3, but will be making a new martial arts sin (tiger strike/dragon tail/phoenix strike) at bradvan4 in the near future.

- Brad

Does this type of assasin can kill in duels?

No, I don't think you could be at all viable in duels. I doubt you could kill fast enough to avoid getting crushed by more powerful PvP builds, many of which can kill in just a couple hits.

 

[fredsta54]

Good info... Totally agree mana leech is necessary, and knockback & max block are optional.

I agree with what you're saying re: Last Wish. I never really set out to use Last Wish with this build, and I used the phase for other reasons, but in the end I found the Last Wish is incredible for the furysin with Ignore Target Defense, Might aura, and 60-70% Crushing Blow (mine has 67%). With Guillaumes, Gores, and Last Wish, I actually have 117% crushing blow (don't know what that means in the calculations, but I know it works well in game). I know you could get easily up to 70-75% using just Guillaumes, Gores, with Duress and crafted gloves, but that Last Wish really just warms my heart :worship: .

My current ladder furysin just got Guillaumes, Gores, and Highlords, and I could immediately tell the difference in killing speed/power :thumbsup: . I also switched from Fleshripper to Crescent Moon phase blade and found that to be a little more effective. She's still not as good as my non-ladder, but I'm working on upping the rest of my ladder gear to get her up to that level. Unfortunately Last Wish is just a dream at this point... :grrr:

Hey Fred, feel free to look me up in-game sometime and we can compare notes. I'm frequently online at bradvan3, but will be making a new martial arts sin (tiger strike/dragon tail/phoenix strike) at bradvan4 in the near future.

- Brad




No, I don't think you could be at all viable in duels. I doubt you could kill fast enough to avoid getting crushed by more powerful PvP builds, many of which can kill in just a couple hits.

sounds good. Also, i think nats claw by itself would be a pretty good weapon.

Itd, huge ed to demons and undead (most of the monsters) pretty high base dmg, and claw mastery just sweetens the deal.

I havent actually made this asn in bnet yet, but as i speak im going online to start her.

Ill msg u.








Fred

 

[fredsta54]

Hmm, just thought of something. How would eth dcleaver + gores+atmas + reg bf gear do? Mabye eth dcleaver will > eth headstriker. Both socketed with jah.


We had a good discussion going, lets keep it up






Fred